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dessalines, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value
zagaberoo, do gaming w Casper Van Dien is loving the Starship Troopers renaissance but still finds it mind-boggling some take it at face value

Is it really that mind-boggling? ST has always seemed to me to read whichever way you are already predisposed to. How does everybody dying make it an anti-war movie? I would be shocked if the kind of person who believes in the good of a war machine were surprised that lots of people die in war.

Maybe my memory is a bit hazy, but the bugs actually annihilate a city, right? What is the human response supposed to be? The extreme nature of the government and military only come across as insane if you’ve already been educated about fascism. Desperate times do indeed call for desperate measures, which muddies the antifascist message in my opinion.

It’s a great movie, but anyone who thinks it’s going to change anyone’s mind from their preconceptions is fooling themselves.

What am I missing?

ZeroHora,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

If I recall correctly, most things that the bugs did was fake news, just propaganda to justify the war that sustain the failed government.

Crikeste,

We must have based humanity off the movie.

Dreyns,

Lies !! The bug obviously launched that asteroid ! You’re a traitor spreading lies it’s all that i see !

huginn,

"I want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understands it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don’t."

  • Paul Verhoeven, director of Starship Troopers

The movie makes it clear that:

  1. The bugs were responding to human colonization
  2. Humans fired the first shots
  3. The government is lying to everyone claiming the bugs are mindless. They overjoyed shouts of the soldiers when they learn the opposite is true - is only because they learn that the bugs are terrified.
  4. The endless over the top propaganda is supposed to be a pretty fuckin heavy clue that it’s a fascist state.
zagaberoo,

4 in particular I think is more open to interpretation based on ones existing biases than people seem to think. Being over the top doesn’t necessarily have to be mockery and authorial intent is peanuts to a random personwatching a movie.

The other points IIRC are individual moments rather than recurring themes. It’s not surprising to me that significant numbers of people overlook them.

yogthos,
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4 in particular I think is more open to interpretation based on ones existing biases than people seem to think

I mean yeah, people with fascist views obviously wouldn’t see fascist propaganda as being ironic.

NigelFrobisher,

One of the hallmarks of fascism is that the enemy are simultaneously too strong - so we must militarise - and too weak, because we are the superior race and destined to prevail.

ColeSloth,

Most of your points aren’t true at all.

  1. The movie point blank states towards the beginning that the Bugs were flinging out their pods/eggs/whatever into space looking to land on worlds to colonize
  2. The movie gives all appearances and inferences that the Bugs attacked first. Not the humans. This makes further sense by point 1, and how far away the bugs home world actually is.
  3. The only announcement made of a bug being afraid wasn’t all bugs. It was only the large “thinking” bug at the end of the movie, after it had its mouth cut off and it was strapped down and being experimented on in the lab. There was no inferences at all of any other bugs being made. So no, the government wasn’t depicted in the movie as lying about knowing of any bug intelligence. I didn’t know of any intelligent bugs, and by the end of the movie it was only known that the one type of rare smart bug captured was the only intelligent one, and that it was able to possibly psychically control the other dumb bugs.
TauriWarrior,

The propaganda films say that the bugs are attacking by flinging asteroids from the other side of the milky way, do you know how long that would take? Also we never see any bugs in space, just the plasma getting thrown, never see how they are supposedly throwing these asteroids.

ColeSloth,

What’s your point? I’m not really sure why you sent this as a reply to me.

hernanca,

The point is that the footage we see is part of the in-universe propaganda, so we have no reason to assume it’s true.

Once again proving that even fictional propaganda is highly effective.

ColeSloth,

There’s also no presentation that it isn’t true, and by whatever means, we do know for sure that the Bugs are attacking earth. Retaliation or not, so either way it’s people stuck having to fight in order to save humanity.

PowerCrazy,

None of your points except maybe number 4 is true.

Razzazzika,

It’s the same reason people thought Stephen Colbert was a champion of conservatism until he moved to the tonight show.

macabrett,

“its afraid… Its afraid!!” cheering

Anyone who misses the satire is a dolt, but I do agree satire is ineffective in changing minds. It’s a preaching to the choir sort of genre.

ShaggySnacks,

Maybe my memory is a bit hazy, but the bugs actually annihilate a city, right?

The bugs were alleged to send an asteroid from another solar system and hit Earth. Logically, the bugs would have to know hundreds of years that they were going to get in a war with the Humans, know how to shoot an asteroid across the galaxy, and know exactly Earth was going to be for the asteroid to hit.

zagaberoo,

Is it surprising that people might miss that, though? Especially if they don’t already agree with the antifascist message.

ShaggySnacks,

I missed it and wasn’t brought to my attention years later that the movie was satire on fascism. I always took it as a dumb action movie.

zagaberoo,

Not an unreasonable interpretation!

PowerCrazy,

The bugs don’t launch the asteroids ballistically, they are launched superluminally as can be seen by the gravity singularity that Denise Richards detects when they (almost) avoid the asteroid.

DriftinGrifter, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?

the real problem for me was paying toplay online games and having no way to install games but the ps store

jaschen, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?

I own a PS5 and only play Don’t Starve together because they only enable couch coop on console. Bullshit lazy PC devs.

NOOBMASTER,

If I’m ever getting a PS, then it’s only because of Don’t Starve split screen gaming.

PanArab, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Some of us are not PC gamers and have no desire to be. I prefer consoles and will always do, though I miss the simple -no-install required- consoles of yesteryear.

orbitz,

Going back awhile now too for that no install right? Like didn’t PS3 have some installs? My memory is fuzzy on when it exactly started, but yeah it was nice to just pop in the media (cart, disc) and play. That was a great perk of console games, especially rentals,though there was a small time I could rent PC games when I moved to a city in the late 90s. These days I mostly play on PC anyways so always install but it was nice for the first few decades of my gaming to not require it.

Aceticon, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead

The fishy part is the “taking in account the EULA” since EULAs are not legally valid documents in most of the World.

Licenses explicitly accepted by the buyer before the purchase, sure, EULAs, no, since they’re treated as an attempt to, after the implied contract which is the sale, unilaterally change the contract.

The court order makes some sense because that’s basically to do with inheritance and who gets to inherit what, but the EULA “consideration” is complete total bollocks.

nothx, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead
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Updating my Will so that my wife inherits all the games that I don’t actually own.

Zerush, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

In my testament I’ll share my GOG account data and password in all social networks and Wikipedia with a hand with extended middle finger out of the grave.

thingsiplay, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead
grrgyle,

Thank you for putting this in a way I can understand

Burghler, do gaming w Redfall's devs were reportedly building out its massively delayed Hero Pass content 'very recently'—before Microsoft closed Arkane Austin for good

ok

erwan, do gaming w Fallout 4's most popular mods are now ones that remove Bethesda's disastrous 'next gen' update

What’s wrong, only that it breaks mods or does it break even for regular usage?

JakJak98,

Really it breaks f4se which is the script extender for mods.

And it takes me sometimes 45 seconds to a minute to load when returning to the Commonwealth or large buildings like the library or institute.

aspensmonster, do gaming w An AI company has been generating porn with gamers' idle GPU time in exchange for Fortnite skins and Roblox gift cards
@aspensmonster@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Meanwhile, BOINC is right there, with far more useful work for your idle GPU to do.

egonallanon,

Always been a folding@home guy myself.

Katana314, do games w World of Warcraft boss says Microsoft is happy to 'let Blizzard be Blizzard,' but I'm not sure that's entirely true

Wait, do they mean 2016 Blizzard, or 2024 Blizzard? I feel like no one is happy letting 2024 Blizzard stay…

Funny thing is, now it’s adding to the list of terrible failing games Microsoft has put out from companies that used to matter. Who remembers Redfall?

Omega_Haxors, do gaming w An AI company has been generating porn with gamers' idle GPU time in exchange for Fortnite skins and Roblox gift cards

100% that porn is not legal. It’s also pretty easy to tell which demographic they’re targeting with this.

gap_betweenus, do gaming w An AI company has been generating porn with gamers' idle GPU time in exchange for Fortnite skins and Roblox gift cards

Porn will be one of the first applied “arts” completely replaced by AI (including onlyfans like pseudo social interactions), which is great since in general it’s a rather horrible industry.

frightful_hobgoblin,

I love the industry tbh

gap_betweenus,

I enjoy the product, but the industry is pretty fucked.

frightful_hobgoblin,

I’m the inverse; I find the product boring but the industry is mad fun.

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