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UnsavoryMollusk, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

That’s nice, he is kind enough to tell us that we should not buy his game if we do not have a monster gpu. He is only excluding a very small portion of gamers after all !

Let’s look at the Valve’s hardware survey.

Wait…

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Most popular system RAM is 16GB, and VRAM is 8GB.

Wow! Powerful specs!

aesthelete, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Sucker game made for sucker gamers.

Are you inclined to blame yourself for the obvious failings of a gaming corporation? Smash that buy button now!

xep, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

A game that looks like BL4 shouldn’t run like Cyberpunk 2077 with ray tracing turned on.

deczzz, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Stupid comment indeed but this is the gamer community as we know - thet feel SO entitled.

Listen, you can try the game for two hours and get a refund on steam. If you didn’t notice the performance issues on your rig within those two hours, well, what’s the problem? If did notice, then why didn’t you just refund on get on with your life? It’s because of this crazy feeling od entitlement thet gamers seem to have. Whenever something doesn’t live up to their arbitrary standards, the world must burn.

I don’t like BL games and I don’t like poorly optimized games. Doesn’t run like I wanted to? Fine, I refund, maybe try when I upgrade my hardware and the game is on sell. Lots more of these incoming because developers not being able to work with UE5 without optimization issues, e.g. the new Metal gear remake). Also, I know nothing about how devs deal game optimization.

itkovian, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I guess I will stick to my “non-premium” games made by devs who actually care about providing experiences worth experiencing, instead of a checklist-driven, committee designed and overpriced games that are most AAA games.

nfreak,
@nfreak@lemmy.ml avatar

I sunk 90 hours into Silksong since launch, and now I’m going through Nine Sols and playing PoE2 on and off. I won’t lie I’m hearing good things about BL4 minus the performance, but I’m not giving Randy a single cent and I’m far happier not engaging in AAA dogshit.

Soapbox, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I haven’t played more than about 30 minutes of a Borderlands game. But from clips I have seen of all of them over the years, they all look exactly the same. Sounds to me like it’s just a poorly optimized game, as is standard for new AAA slop releases.

Soggy, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

When was the last time Randy Pitchford got through a day without being a prick?

etchinghillside, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

So… I shouldn’t plan on playing this on a Steamdeck when it gets down to $19.99?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Not the current one, no. The Steam Deck is closer to a PS4 spec, and even if there weren’t optimization problems, this is built to a PS5 spec.

normanwall,

Someone smarter than Randy will figure out tweaks and optimisations to allow it eventually.

fishbone,

For better or worse it’s unreal engine 5 (AKA volumetrics: the engine), so it’s got some easy performance gains here and there with engine.ini tweaks and maybe some mods to remove stuff if denuvo isn’t too bad about it.

TachyonTele,

I'd watch reviews first.
Borderlands 3 works excellent on the deck though.

Gork, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

Maybe try optimizing your game before releasing it?

itkovian,

Please try optimizing your pc before purchasing BL4. \s

pressanykeynow,

That’s probably the best how copilot could optimize it.

User79185, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

You need to have $500 gpu to hit 60fps with 1080p native, this is hilariously bad.

SailorFuzz,
@SailorFuzz@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t seen a $500 gpu in near a decade. Even used. If you see a $500 gpu today, I guarantee you it can’t run Borderlands 4.

Vinny_93, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I haven’t looked at the performance reviews per system yet but I recall the complaints for Borderlands 3 mainly came from people trying to run it on an old i5 with a 1060 or similar. You need a high end system, that much is clear. Or you need to get comfortable with 30 fps.

I’m not saying Randy is right to strike that tone, but you can’t deny there is a point to saying that some games are meant to be played on powerful systems and won’t accept anything less.

EncryptKeeper,

Sure, but powerful systems don’t run it too well either. Especially given how mediocre the game looks visually.

Fubarberry,
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

People with high end systems (5090s etc) are apparent having a lot of performance issues, and are unable to run the game at 60fps/4k without AI upscaling or frame generation.

There’s also a lot of complaints about stuttering, and the game wouldn’t launch at all for a lot of people when it first came out.

pivot_root,

People with high end systems (5090s etc) are apparent having a lot of performance issues, and are unable to run the game at 60fps/4k without AI upscaling or frame generation.

It’s even better when you realize that the performance degrades the longer you’ve been playing that session. It’s unoptimized and leaky.

snugglesthefalse,

My complaint about borderlands 3 was the cringe main antagonists. Like I’m happily shooting stuff and they hop in with painfully mediocre snippets of whatever they’re supposed to be doing. Also they killed off one of the best characters. The gunplay felt nice, the music and graphics were good. I didn’t have any real technical issues.

Goodeye8,

Sure, in theory. In practice we're talking about 3k machines struggling to hit 60FPS (dropping as low as 30fps on occasions) on max settings with DLSS on. A 3k machine gets you high setting low 70 FPS with DLSS on. If a 3k machine is not a high end system what the fuck is a high end system? And the bigger issue is what exactly are we paying for here? Borderlands 4 doesn't even look significantly better than Borderlands 3. There's no reason for the game to be this performance heavy when it looks like a game from 2019.

You have a point in some hypothetical scenario but in actuality this is a case of Randy being full of shit.

MangoPenguin,

Its a recent AAA game on a modern game engine, so it probably runs awful even on top of the line hardware.

Basically every game that comes out these days in the AAA space is a horrible unoptimized mess.

Kolanaki, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I am a premium gamer; if you want me to play your premium game, you’ll need to subscribe to me for $29.99/month or $324/year (that’s a 10% discount from the month to month!)

Korhaka, do games w 'Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed'

I’ll play something cheaper then

Coelacanth, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

250GB install sizes plus an additional 100GB shader caches. This is what the future looks like, buckle up.

Montagge,

250GBs? Cries in DSL

ltxrtquq,

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS MINIMUM:

Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system OS: Windows 10 / Windows 11 Processor: Intel Core i7-9700 / AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Memory: 16 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 / AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT / Intel Arc A580 Storage: 100 GB available space Additional Notes: Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system. Requires 8 CPU Cores for processor. Requires 8 GB VRAM for graphics. SSD storage required

oxysis,

Holy shit a 2070 for minimum specs!!!

oxysis,

Game doesn’t look good enough to justify a 20 series card, probably has mandatory raytracing but holy fuck that’s bad

snooggums,

Nah, this is just one horribly unoptimized game.

Jrockwar,

For a cartoon game.

With the aesthetics they have, this could have been playable on the steam deck without anybody noticing the difference in graphics.

Why do they need 2-billion-polygon rocks only to flatten them all out and make it look like a cardboard cutout? It’s ridiculous.

Quill7513,

managers have insane priorities

MangoPenguin,

It could have looked like BL2 with a few upgrades and more physics and that would have been fine.

SmoochyPit,

BL2 even had some PhysX simulations when using an Nvidia card for particles and effects, so between those and running at higher internal resolutions and framerates, it’s already better than the new one in some areas.

CaptainBlinky, do gaming w I fixed Borderlands 4's stuttering issue by upping my shader cache size to 100 GB, which feels like something I shouldn't have to do in a well-optimised game

Funny thing, that. It’s not a well-optimised game. That’s the problem.

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