This happened with the ps3, the chief at playstation at the time said we wouldnt be able to find them at retail. My friends and I made some fun snapping pics of them sitting on shelves.
The PS3 also had damn few games to play at launch. If it wasn’t for Sony’s decision to ship it with a BD-ROM drive it probably would have been a total flop. Home theater nerds saved the PS3.
Yeah why would anyone pay 700 bucks for a highly restricted device, that can’t even play games online without an additional subscription. Just get a Steam Deck, which costs less, is portable, doesn’t require subscriptions, and basically works like a full PC.
I have a Steam Deck and a PS5 that I will be replacing with the Pro when it ships. So to give you an answer: I’m not going to be plugging a Steam Deck into a 4k 65" OLED TV with VRR. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Steam Deck, and I also enjoy PC gaming when mouse and keyboard makes sense, but sitting on the couch in font of a giant responsive display with amazing colors is by far how I enjoy gaming the most.
Because to me it is a worthwhile upgrade. If you compare the image quality in FF7 Rebirth specifically in the 60 FPS modes the differences are significant. The new ray tracing features in F1 2024 for the pro also made a big impact on how that game looks.
In general, I don’t like gaming at 30 FPS and I’ve been noticing that developers don’t always do a good job with their choices when dialing it back to get 60 FPS. For example, I’m holding off on buying Black Myth Wukong because their performance mode looks flawed right now, and I don’t want to play it at 30 either.
Quick question though, why not buy a PC and link it to the tv? The features you’re talking about are also on the PC and you’re not limited to their proprietary services and file formats.
Not sure why people are beating up on @nxn for saying his opinion. Different people value different things.
I think I can answer your question though. Buying a console is a plug and play experience. Building a PC is not. Not everyone has the time, the patience, or the technical experience required to purchase compatible components, assemble the machine, and install the various software.
Anyone that’s ever bought a prepared meal has overpaid in comparison to acquiring the ingredients, prepping them, and cooking the dish. It’s worth the price to do so because I sure as hell don’t want to spend time making a bowl of French onion soup.
Yes, 30 FPS at best just makes my inputs feel laggy, but usually it also strains my eyes and has given me actual migraines. Bloodborne was the worst offender because of the need to focus on choppy animations of bosses.
I’ve already answered the PC build question, but to summarize: any comparable build to a PS 5 Pro that uses new components from brands that make reliable hardware typically cost over one grand USD. Also most people that I see recommend these builds typically don’t even bother including peripherals like a controller and kb+m in the cost. Not to mention that by going into the budget gaming PC route will also generally require additional time to tinker with graphic settings in each game to try and get adequate performance.
Anyway, I’ve done this before, I had a higher end PC in my living room hooked up to my TV a few years ago. The experience wasn’t terrible, but also wasn’t as good as just having a console where everything is designed to be operated via controller. So honestly I don’t see the point of paying extra money for something that seems like the worse option for me.
I’ll be building a higher end gaming PC with a 480hz OLED display in mind next year, but yeah, I won’t be using that from a couch.
You can use a controller on PC and also connect to this display with the same responsiveness and colors. I always thought consoles were for the exclusive games and to play with friends, not performance or graphics.
You can use a controller on PC and also connect to this display with the same responsiveness and colors.
I’ve done this in the past when I had a desktop near my living room TV. I don’t these days and the experience wasn’t good enough to justify rearranging my house rather than simply buying a console.
Also, to get ahead of the people that are already twitching at the opportunity to inform me that I could build a dedicated PC just to keep next to my TV for gaming: Sure, but the cost of building one with similar performance to the pro, while using new components and avoiding Ali Express brands that may start a house fire one random evening, is over 1 grand at a minimum.
I always thought consoles were for the exclusive games and to play with friends, not performance or graphics.
Please, by all means, go email Sony and tell them to not bother with PS6. Tell Nintendo to drop what they’re doing with the Switch 2. Us console gamers simply don’t care about performance or graphic upgrades. Surely they should have learned this by now.
Makes sense, didn’t mean to yuck your yum. Just seemed like your reasons were surmountable with cheaper alternatives and an additional system seemed to me like a large cost. But you want the console, and it seems a solution that better fits your wants/needs.
The specs on the Steamdeck are pretty underwhelming, and the cost of storage upgrades is outrageous. I was thinking about buying one yesterday, so I just looked at all the specs. It’s due for a second version, but that’s not coming for at least another year. So, I decided to build a mATX computer instead. But I don’t care at all about the portable aspect, so I’m probably not their target demographic.
Compared to what I’m used to regarding storage upgrades on other highly integrated devices like smartphones for example, the storage upgrade costs of the steamdeck seem much better and fair.
I’m a huge fan of the deck and use mine daily, but that is just stupid. These are entirely different platforms with different purposes, and deck just fails at new games. I see so many cases of people saying it runs new games perfectly and realistically you get 20 fps on low
It’s not an option at all? I paid extra for the drive on my PS5, but tbh, I haven’t used it and I don’t foresee that I will use it. I can’t even remember the last time that I bought a physical game, and I have a dedicated LG UHD DVD player for movies.
This is a bit off topic, but it made me nostalgic. My first argument on reddit over a decade ago was with someone, either a scalper or a contrarian, trying to argue that scalpers provided a useful service that made things more fair, rather than assholes creating scarcity so they could profit selling a solution to a problem they themselves create.
So yeah, I hope they all get fucked on this one, too.
This is why I like seeing new tech with a high launch price. Even if I want one, I’m patient, and it would be worth seeing a bunch of scalpers get fucked from just assuming that initial demand will set the price even higher.
I hope they thought they had to wait in an uncomfortable line to grab the ones they got and that the store only offers exchanges and no refunds.
Oh yeah, not just for others who want it but also to cause max pain to scalpers when others can get what they want to sell for cheaper than the scalpers paid for it in the first place. If the price stays the same, there’s a good chance the scalpers will be able to at least cut their losses by selling at a slight discount (or even at par if they find the right location for a “you could have this in your hands right now instead of having to go to the store” kinda deal).
I think everyone should ditch consoles too, but I don’t understand the “no games” comment, I’ve played through Elden Ring, Returnal, Final Fantasy 16, Final Fantasy 7 Intergrade, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo 7…
There are only like 2 or 3 games that can only be played on a PS5 and nowhere else. Exclusives are one of, if not the most important part of getting a console, IMO. Like, why would I get this specific console if I could get any console or a PC and play the same games? I’m either going to get what’s cheapest or go full bells and whistles and build a beefy PC.
Most of the PS5’s exclusive games are actually just PS4 games and don’t even have the enhancement features offered by the PS5’s hardware. If you have a PS4, there’s really no reason to upgrade to a PS5 unless you really wanna play the Demon Souls remaster or Astro Bot. Out of all the games you mentioned, only GT7 (and Retrograde tho I don’t know if that is timed or completely exclusive; they pulled some fucky-wucky with that one) is exclusive. All the others are multiplatform.
That’s also why the PS5 Pro is just dumb. There’s not much taking advantage of the current hardware, and they wanna sell you more hardware to go underutilized ?
All that stuff about exclusive games just sounds like sunk cost fallacy. I don’t understand how a consumer benefits in any way from exclusive titles, or how a consumer is harmed from having access to multiplatform games.
If someone gets a PS5 for a PS5 exclusive game, why wouldn’t they want the option to play other games on there as well?
I do ultimately agree with you though, the PS5 Pro is dumb - and neither the regular PS5 nor any Xbox seems worthwhile compared to PC gaming
It’s gotta have some reason to buy it. If it’s not the price, and it’s not the power, it’s the library. Sunk costs don’t even come into play for someone who is looking to get a game machine trying to decide what to buy.
I would have paid $700 for the Pro if it came with everything the 30th anniversary edition had, and maybe a little more if it also included the Portal.
Unfortunately, Sony can’t stop tripping over their own incompetence and limited the units to 12,300 for a reason that can be simplified to be: “money.” So it sold out in less than a minute to scalper’s bots and can now be found on eBay for five times the price.
I haven’t heard it would launch, and one day I saw people offering 2000$ for one on a trade site. My only thought was “wow, glad im not a fucking idiot like these guys”.
It’s mainly the colors, but it came with some extras as well. And a paperclip.
Like I said, about $300 overpriced even with the additional items and only hyped due to limited edition. How many times has Nintendo released a console in NES colors without making it limited? Just a ridiculous move by Sony.
I bought some SNES shells to put on my joy cons. Was pretty cheap and decent fun. Even switched to hall effect sticks.
Didn’t even need Nintendo to produce them and sell them as a premium. eXtremeRate and probably many others let you make your own limited edition. As long as you don’t want any copyrighted trims like logos.
I think the demographic is slightly different. The people buying consoles might know more about what they’re buying and do some research about it. Whereas the newest iphone getting released all the normies will flood to it and get the newest shiny apple product after they hear about its release.
What puts me off is the lack of games this generation. I’m not spending £700 on a console where the only worthwhile exclusive that isn’t already on PC is Astro Bot.
If that’s the best thing that Sony and Microsoft can give us after three years of releasing their current consoles, then we’re well and truly on the verge of another market crash.
When iphones went from 400 to 999, I do remember people having an outrage, soon after samsung also raised their prices. It is that moment for console gamers right now.
It definitely is. The PS6 is going to be around $1000. When the phone prices went up I started to change phones every 4 years instead of 2. And now I will get the Slim instead of the Pro, even though I always get the latest and greatest.
People usually clown on Apple users specifically for doing this, but every Apple user I know uses their phone for multiple years. In fact, Apple was giving users multiple years of software support while Samsung and others were only doing 2 major Android updates for flagships. Google was the one to FINALLY change the status quo in the Android world, so that’s good at least, others seem to be following suit. Previously, Android users I knew would just keep going without software updates. Luckily they mostly still receive security updates for a few years after the OS updates stop.
None of the manufacturers gives you a compelling reason to upgrade every year anymore. 10-15 years ago the changes were big because the first smartphones were shit compared to what you had just a few years later. Between the original iPhone and roughly the 5 or 5s, every upgrade was pretty major. Same on the Android side.
Now I think you’d have to go from an 11 Pro to 16 Pro to notice anything. And good news in that department, if you still have an 11 or 11 pro, that still got the iOS 18 update. Actually, so did the older XR and XS.
The only reason to buy a new phone every year nowadays is because Apple, knowing EXACTLY what they’re doing, changes the camera arrangement every year so clout chasers would know you have last year’s model. It’s stupid as fuck, but luckily none of the people I know fall for it.
I know some people upgrading Pixels every year because with trade in and sales they only need to pay like $200. I don’t think Sony will take an existing PS5 though…
It has a video cutscene that’s similar, But it is very disappointing and bare compared to New Vegas. You get either 1 of 3 video cutscenes depending on if you sided with the institute or someone else (and the players gender), then next 3 are always the same, then the final one changes based on your gender. Really simple. We don’t get any sort of cutscene telling us what happened after to companions, or summarizing quests. It’s really disappointing, at least to me.
It’s not the price point. Most of the people who’d be in the market for one wouldn’t buy it because it doesn’t take discs. When I bought my PS5, I specifically bought the disc version. So I’m not going to ‘upgrade’ to a machine that doesn’t have one and only really offers ‘improved performance’ as its main selling point. It just doesn’t make sense.
If you’re new to the platform and are used to buying only digital, it might be more palatable. But as someone who’s been with Sony since the very first PlayStation: I’m gonna pass.
These days I just assume nothing’s playable offline. It’s not like my PS5 is ever offline anyway, so it’s not really a point of concern for me.
The actual reason I like physical games is because they’re generally cheaper when they just release and get discounted far sooner than digital games.
For example: Armored Core VI costs 69,99 euros on PS Store.
An online game store here sells it for 19,99 brand new. That means I can buy a copy for myself, I can gift you copy, buy a third one to light on fire as a sacrifice to the gaming gods… and still have money left over for two frozen pizza’s.
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