What sort of half assed reporting came up with this story? This is not a new policy. If I remember right, Nintendo added a forced arbitration clause to their EULA about 10 years ago (I would try to find an exact date, but Google is flooded with articles parroting this story).
Should companies be allowed to force arbitration as a shield against all law suits? Hell fucking no, but their lawyers say they can, so any company with a EULA written by a half decent lawyer includes the wording.
At this point, the only reason anyone would complain that a company includes the clause is rage bait.
Yeah, if I recall the change was because so many people took them to arbitration at the same time that the cost wasn’t worth it, so they changed the policy to ‘local court’ to avoid the situation repeating while also sidestepping any large class action attempts.
Exactly why they put it. You would first need to win a trial to get the clause voided and then win another trial to get actual damages or you can go to arbitration and get a modest settlement. Most people will take the latter.
Intergalactic from Naughty Dog lookin to be Concord 3.
Sometimes these companies think they be making the most bomb idea ever, when its being made for an audience or market that doesn’t exist or isnt big enough to cover the cost of development. In the case of Intergalactic, most people that like space games are older, and much of it appears to try to market to older people (the logos, the CRTs, the rip off Snake Plissken woman), but the gameplay is going to be way too fast for older folks that typically like the setting. Looks like it will be like trying to make a Civilization player play Bloodborne.
At least Ubisoft has a bit of an excuse, since Skull & Bones legally could not be scrapped because of it being funded in part by the government of Singapore. I wonder if this new content is from the government of Singapore trying to get some of their really bad investment back. They wanna make a Concordillion dollars off of the like 3 people playing the game lol.
You’re inferring a whole lot from a mock-up of gameplay that isn’t actually gameplay. A single player Naughty Dog game has a huge leg up over Concord in that you can play it regardless of how many other people bought it. Just saying “from the makers of The Last of Us” buys a few million copies sold where Concord didn’t clear 50k. If you want actual candidates for the next Concord, it’s going to be Marathon and, even more likely, Fairgame$.
I definitely remember the Concord developers bragging about having worked on games like Destiny. Regardless, I think you are underestimating how expensive Intergalactic is going to be, and I absolutely think that it will not be breaking even on sales, unless they significantly change the fundamental design of the game they have shown (and the leaked plot honestly, it is not very good if that is real).
Marathon and Fairgame$ are absolutely going next, but I don’t see them releasing before Intergalactic, despite being developed for much longer, probably. I think both are probably being delayed even more than they already are after seeing what happened to Concord.
I’m not underestimating how much Naughty Dog spends on their games. That stuff all leaked, so we can put an exact number on Last of Us 2. People dig the games that they make though.
Concord selling themselves as having developers who worked on Destiny reminds me of a trend I’ve observed though, though maybe there are outliers that have slipped through the cracks that would prove me wrong. When a new studio pitches its inaugural game as being from developers of X, Y, or Z, it pretty much never goes well, especially if it’s aiming for AAA. Maybe there are difficulties building a game and scaling up to that team size simultaneously. Any of a number of things can be the case, but at this point, it’s a red flag for me. The difference between that and “from the makers of The Last of Us” is that Naughty Dog is still Naughty Dog, and that’s more or less the same band sticking together. The Last of Us didn’t do it for me, and neither did Uncharted 4 honestly, but their games keep seeing the same levels of acclaim and success release after release.
Im thinking more on licensing costs. Porsche is not a cheap license, especially when considering costs for the details of such a license. The other logos seemed to be Sony owned IP, so they didn’t cost anything, but just seeing Porsche makes me wonder how many other licenses they are paying for, thus ballooning development cost. They may have a license with Porsche for Gran Turismo, but that would not be applicable to other games, so they would have to renegotiate the license, which is always inviting the licensor to demand more the next time.
I don’t doubt it will sell more copies than Concord, but I do believe it will not sell enough to be profitable, and in this way be similar to Concord. The Youtube dislike ratio on the reveal trailer for Intergalactic (91k up, 225k down) is more or less the same as for Concord (8.5k up, 84.5k down) at overwhelmingly negative, and historically speaking this is not an insignificant statistic. Other games I might expect to have similar ratios for various reasons do not have overwhelmingly negative reception, such as the female lead game The Witcher 4 (5k up, 1k down on PlayStation channel - 251k up, 24.7k down on The Witcher channel), anime racing game Screamer (2k up, 75 down), and even The Last of Us Part 2 Remaster (7.2k up, 6.6k down) which I for sure expected to be negative.
I certainly agree with the trend you are seeing. I remember when this happened when ReCore was promoted as “from the developers of Metroid Prime.” ReCore wasn’t awful, but it was far from Metroid Prime. I also didn’t like Naughty Dogs previous titles, but I do think this will be a hard sell. Space themed games typically don’t sell as well as modern or medieval themed games (unfortunately, since I really love space!). I guess the audience for them is not as big, or rather it is big but divided into many niche categories that don’t really like mixing. Star Citizen, Starfield, and StarCraft don’t have a huge overlap of players despite being space themed games. That’s just how space stuff is. Star Wars and Star Trek don’t mix, and while some people are interested in both, most people pick one or the other and stay there forever. I mean look at Star Wars Outlaws, which seems to be in a similar vein to Intergalactic. Sold horribly, despite having the leg up on Intergalactic of being a Star Wars title.
I suppose we will see how it turns out. Personally, I don’t hope the game fails, but I do think Naughty Dog needs to make some big changes to get me and others interested in trying the game again.
I’m expecting the licenses resulted in the money flowing in the other direction. Monster paid Kojima for Death Stranding, not the other way around.
Dislike ratios are fake these days, as it just polls people who use the browser extension. Don’t put too much stock into it. Some segment of people get told that the game is woke because it stars a woman who shaves her head in the opening seconds, so they brigade the video and mash dislike.
Okay, so I am in game development, and I talked to Porsche for a licensing agreement (among other car brands) because I wanted to have real life cars in a racing game. Most of the appeal of a racing game is being able to drive cars that laypeople could never afford. As an independant, it is not financially possible to obtain a license from any of them. Even the cheapest brand is multiple millions of dollars with odd stipulations, including but not limited to such requirements as: “you cant show our cars getting damaged,” “our cars have to be faster/better than X brand even when statistically this is not true,” and “you cannot allow the player to customize any part of the vehicle and it can only be displayed in the specific colors we tell you.” The only way you can get around such stipulations is if you can find a company like RUF that buys cars like Porsche, changes them very slightly, and then get the license from them instead since they will usually not have the same requirements. They do not pay you, no company pays you for brand licensing like that. Contact any brand and ask them for a licensing deal where they pay you and they are going to laugh at you. The way Kojima was probably able to get Monster to pay him was either he has a friend at the company/ a friend is a shareholder or he was somehow able to convince them that the deal was film product placement, which is a different kind of license and comes with different rules, but often means the brand does pay the prodution studio. I am going to assume he just has a friend that works at or owns stake in Monster.
If the problem was a woman lead, how come The Witcher 4 also didn’t get brigaded? Screamer also featured a woman as its main character in the trailer and that was not brigaded either. Even if what you are implying is true, the same thing happened to Concord, people brigading it for being “woke,” and we both know how that ended. This isn’t a stat you can just handwaive away because “some people are brigading it for being woke,” literally the same thing happened with Concord.
Also consider TLOU2 had mixed to negative reception among fans, especially by comparison to the first game. Players will be more skeptical in such a situation. They couldn’t have known when they bought the game how they would feel by the end, and people who felt negatively certainly will be less likely to buy the next game from the same studio, regardless of whether it is related to TLOU or not.
For all we know, there may be no way this sci-fi future Porsche gets damaged, because it may not even be part of the game’s loop, as opposed to a driving game where we know for a fact you’re going to drive. When the appeal to a driving game is to be able to drive whatever brand of car you want, the car brand has the power in the negotiation. This is a game that takes place in retro future 80s sci-fi and doesn’t feature the actual real world car.
The way Kojima was probably able to get Monster to pay him was either he has a friend at the company/ a friend is a shareholder or he was somehow able to convince them that the deal was film product placement, which is a different kind of license and comes with different rules, but often means the brand does pay the prodution studio. I am going to assume he just has a friend that works at or owns stake in Monster.
Does he also have friends at CalorieMate, PlayBoy, and Apple? Sure, we know he has at least one friend at AMC, but this is a long line of product placement in Kojima games, and they do it for the same reason they do it in film; it’s an advertisement. I think it would be pretty absurd for an already expensive production to then license Porsche for their story when they could have easily, in 20 seconds or less, established a fictional car brand to plaster on the back on their space ship.
If the problem was a woman lead, how come The Witcher 4 also didn’t get brigaded?
It did.
Even if what you are implying is true, the same thing happened to Concord, people brigading it for being “woke,” and we both know how that ended.
People did the same for The Last of Us II, and that game sold over 10 million copies. A lot of its negative reaction was even pre-release from people who hadn’t played it but read the script. Concord was a game no one wanted from frame 1, before we even saw pronouns in a character select screen.
What makes you compare intergalactic with concord? Ones a paid for hero shooter doing nothing new in a sea of free to play games of the same genre. And the other is a single player narrative focused game from a studio that has a proven track record of being able to make great games in that field.
Seems like an unpopular opinion but I actually like the Far Cry formula. It’s the same gameplay loop with different maps and weapons and that’s all I really ask for because I know what I’m getting is something that I know I enjoyed and will enjoy. I don’t play Far Cry to experience some innovative gameplay, there’s other games I look to for that.
I already wasn’t a fan of the changes to Far Cry 6 and these changes don’t seem like a Far Cry game anymore so I’m a bit disappointed if these are true.
There’s literally dozens of us! I for one loved far cry 5. 6 I really didn’t like because of the whole home built attachments/guns stuff since I’m a gun nerd and love using real guns and sights in games. Definitely not crazy about this news.
The biggest thing I didn’t like about 6 was not being able to get into the final boss’s city by air, even after he was dead. Felt really limiting and like the game wasn’t finished.
What it really comes down to is that this type of “safe” game design where you rehash the same game over and over again for 20 years thing used to make a shitload of money, that’s why they all do it, and now it doesn’t. Or at least, they’re discovering that there’s a mathematical maximum amount of times you can rehash something without innovating. And not doing that is too huge a pivot for a huge lumbering company like Ubsioft to make on a reasonable timescale.
This is what’s supposed to happen though. When not enough people buy games to make them profitable, the games have to change, or Ubisoft goes under. Either is fine.
And I feel like half of that 20 years was based on FOMO. “I better get the next Assassin’s Creed or I’ll miss out”, and then it’s all the same crap but they still sold a million of them. People do eventually wise up to FOMO.
Miss out on what? Unity was a buggy mess on launch, skip, the British one was a snorefest. By the time of the reboots, Ghost of Tsushima, Elden Ring and BotW already came out
Now if ubisoft could go under too. I’m still pissed the splinter cell games are such a shit show on PC and they have the neck to ask for full price with the bugs and multiplayer being disabled. They can get fucked
Considering how luke-warm Inquisition was and how terrible Andromenda was, I really don’t understand how people expect a good game from a company that hasn’t delivered a really good game in over 10 years.
I fully expect the next Dragon Age to be classic EA garbage, same as the next Mass Effect. Though I of course wouldn’t mind being proven wrong.
I think Inquisition is actually Bioware's second best selling game, and EA only sees money. So I'm afraid that's what we can expect from Dreadwolf: another Inquisition, or even something more watered-down to cater to wider audiences.
I actually liked Anthem and Andromeda. Had a lot of fun with them, if I’m being honest.
Granted, I played them after many patches quite a while after release back when EA Play was called Origin Access, so I didn’t exactly “buy” them specifically. Opinion might be different if I did, and probably would be if I played them on release.
Still, I enjoyed them for what they were. I guess I just wasn’t waiting in anticipation for their release or with any hype that could end up disappointing me, so I didn’t have to deal with unmet expectations.
I also enjoyed Andromeda but I just can’t get myself to replay it. I replayed the Trilogy multiple times but I just couldn’t replay Andromeda, it felt like a chore.
Andromeda was just way too bloated. I liked Andromeda, but they need to have cut all the “find three macguffins scattered randomly on the map” quests, merged the desert planets (did we really need Eos AND Elaaden?), and done another round of editing to the story.
I watched a random YouTube video where the person hated Andromeda but decided to give it another chance and ONLY do the main and loyalty missions, and he said it was like light and day, how much better it was. They bloated the game so they could have more for the sake of more, and it paid for it.
Apparently, it greatly improved the pace and gave the story a sense of urgency. I figure if you cut out so the faff, it makes Andromeda about the same length as ME1, which is the length it honestly should have been.
I feel like I’m the only one excited for this game. Every post about it is getting shit on for absolutely stupid reasons. We have 4 low res screenshots and no videos of gameplay with a few details on the gameplay loop. This is what icefrog was working on for years when he stopped working on DotA 2, the man damn near created the entire moba genre, he’s taking liberties with the gameplay and incorporating overwatch gameplay with moba mechanics that sounds like it’s handled in a more meaningful way instead of just copy/paste mechanics from other mobas and move the camera to 3rd person like smite. As someone who’s older and loves mobas but struggles to keep up with the pace of them, this game sounds like it will be right up my alley and for the record I love the art style, fuck me right?
I'm right here with you, friend! I'm pumped as hell for a new Valve team game, and I didn't know Icefrog was behind this. Guaranteed gold, so let's let the man cook
I don’t mean any offense, but if you’re saying traditional mobas are too fast paced for you, how do you expect to keep up in a moba style arena shooter? I’ve got tons of experience in both Dota and overwatch and without a doubt, overwatch is so much more taxing. As I get older, I’ve had to stray away from shooters altogether because I simply can’t operate fast enough, yet I still have no issues with the most hectic Dota teamfights. It doesn’t seem to be in the same ballpark to me
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