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Murvel, do games w New Report Makes Disturbing Allegations Against The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Developer

Hardly surprising and it fits the scenario: a relatively small indie dev studio with only small-mid sized games under their belt with leadership deciding to buy into one of the most expensive IP available. Now, not only do they have a publisher looming over their work but are also under serious financial pressure to perform as well as expectation of a huge fan base plus promising a AAA sized game.

The leadership simply bit off far more than they could chew and panic set in, resulting in cut corners everywhere.

End result was a predictable disaster. Could have been avoided with smarter/better leadership. Clearly they didn’t think much of their dev team.

Koen967, do games w Activision Blizzard Shares Xbox Game Pass Plans, Leaves Door Open for Diablo IV on Game Pass in 2024

They could give away the game for free for a short boost in players, but they need to do something about the endgame first. Or else they end up in the same position they are in now.

Staple_Diet, do games w Activision Blizzard Shares Xbox Game Pass Plans, Leaves Door Open for Diablo IV on Game Pass in 2024

Microsoft upped the Gamepass price on the basis that it would allow for bigger titles. Honestly I think they are delivering on that with Starfield and Forza Motorsport amongst others. EA Play inclusion also adds value as does having the 2 out of the 3 most recent AC chapters. Ubisoft + can go suck a dick though, I want Valhalla and eventually Mirage on Gamepass.

witheyeandclaw, do games w New Report Makes Disturbing Allegations Against The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Developer - IGN

“ reportedly enforcing uncompensated overtime, allegedly trying to pay staff below minimum wage, and a toxic work environment cultivated by an alleged abusive leadership.”

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Infynis,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

Explains why the game was so bad

Draegur,
@Draegur@lemm.ee avatar

not only is it tragic that these devs were so mistreated, but it sucks even more that they went through all that bullshit to produce such a WET TURD

dustyData,

Nacon demanded AAA performance from a $16M budget game. This was a massive leadership failure. It’s a miracle it launched at all.

Draegur,
@Draegur@lemm.ee avatar

A most cursed miracle.

Perhaps it would have been a better miracle to have never launched at all…

huginn,

I think it’s a wet turd at least in part because they went through so much bullshit.

_haha_oh_wow_, do games w New Report Makes Disturbing Allegations Against The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Developer
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s almost as if treating your employees poorly and mismanaging everything has negative consequences. That’s just crazy talk though, right?

dingleberry, do games w New Report Makes Disturbing Allegations Against The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Developer - IGN

All this abuse to ship public haired Gollum.

Son_of_dad, do games w New Report Makes Disturbing Allegations Against The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Developer - IGN

Why even attempt AAA game with such a small budget/team size ratio?

It would have been a good game if they had cut the amount of developers and the scope of the game to fit the budget. I’ve recently tried smaller games like Dysmantle and they’re great, why not even pixel/FF style Lord of the rings game? That would be awesome and cost less

ours,

Maybe having licensed such a big IP they aimed for the stars.

TesterJ, do games w New Report Makes Disturbing Allegations Against The Lord of the Rings: Gollum Developer - IGN

I for one am shocked that this game was a disaster of a production. I don’t think anyone could have seen this coming to light.

toxicbubble420, do gaming w Resident Evil 4 Mobile Will Cost $60

sadly, as long as ppl keep buying overpriced electronics, the prices will continue to rise. I’ll stick to emulation

NegativeLookBehind, do games w CD Projekt Spent Roughly $125 Million Turning Cyberpunk 2077 Around Post-Launch
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

Money they could’ve spent up front, to actually make the game not a total shit-volcano.

Broken_Monitor,

Absolutely, I remember seeing the original preview trailer with the tag line “Release Date: When it’s ready.” And I was like wow mad respect this is gonna rock. What a fucking bait and switch that was.

I can say I am replaying it now on the exact same PC setup I used 3 years ago and it is a completely different experience. No crashes, no glitches (so far), no random naked T posing on my motorcycle (which is kind of sad, that shit was hilarious). The skills system is totally reworked and I put it to hard difficulty and the enemies now put up more of a fight (AI is still kind of dumb tho). Cops actually chase you, you can finally shoot out of your car (there’s also new skills in the skill tree for improving vehicle abilities). Sooo it’s worth revisiting even if you don’t buy the DLC, IMO.

Veraxus,
@Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

But still no metro system! Literally unplayable!

/s

enki,

IIRC, CDPR had delayed it a number of times for just that reason, but were eventually pressured into releasing earlier than they wanted. On PC, there were some minor issues that were quickly patched, but none that negatively affected my playthrough.

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

were eventually pressured into releasing earlier than they wanted.

My guy, they developed and published the game themselves. They pressured themselves.

Chozo,

I think he means the developers were pressured by CDPR's upper management. The devs were saying that the game wasn't ready, but management was telling them it had to ship, anyway.

iAmTheTot,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

That's what I just said. CDPR upper management is still CDPR, it's a distinction without a difference.

enki,

It very much is a difference. If you’ve ever worked a corporate job, the relationship between devs and execs is exactly the same as a publisher and studio relationship. The devs did not want to release the game yet, nor do I think they wanted to support legacy consoles, but the shareholders forced that on them.

Trail,

But that does not matter to us as consumers. The product was intentionally released half baked, whether the decision was made by someone within CDPR or outside, it is the same.

I don’t care about their company organisation, I care about the product.

kyle,

Anecdotally, I played on PC at launch, no mods or fixes and had a pretty good time. The most buggy things I encountered were people clipping into my car when driving and forcing me to hit them. Random stuff, but nothing too bad IMHO, not like game crashes, awful lag/latency, save corruption, etc.

Definitely not bug free, I ran into those often, but I felt like they were mostly trivial. As another concession, I did have an above average rig so I didn’t really fall into any of the terrible optimization problems.

aksdb,

I also enjoyed it playing on GeForceNow. I didn’t build up any game specific hype. I only looked forward to the next CDPR game and avoided most trailers and footage. Going into the game without expectations likely helped a lot.

ThunderingJerboa,
@ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social avatar

I mean and there are a ton of people who are super into the far cry games even though I see them as generic games. Like sure people can find the game fun but I was expect CRPG levels of details but what I got was CDPR's version of Far Cry minus the pointless filler with capturing radio towers (thank god for that) but filled with all the other filler from those games. The story writing was pretty good and that was its big advantage but the AI was pretty brain dead, which made the fighting rather dull. Add on top of that on launch you could literally stand in the same exact spot and clear a section of the AI and then repeat ad nauseam. I haven't kept up with far cry since maybe 3 but I have played the Division 2 although that game has many failings one of its biggest pluses was the AI was pretty smart compared to most other AIs in the modern day and I would hope the other "Tom Clancy games" would use a similar AI but who knows.

Like having cyberware only be useful for combat, just feels like a pointless thing. We should have RP/world moments with them but at least in 1.0 there was none. Just the game is filled with so many missed opportunities. The og trailer for this game was sold on the importance of Cyberpsychos but in the game they are just some filler quests that you can get some lore on before you fight them but vanilla you got nothing unique for doing it (apparently in 1.2 you are now given a proper reward for it but it shows how sidelined that "questline" was). Very little destructible terrain. Like I'm not some fanboy who watched every trailer before release. I only watched the 2013 and the E3 gameplay premiere for it before buying the game whenever it released (after seeing it was scored pretty highly by reviewers). It was just a deeply disappointing game where they basically showcased the prologue showing how "reactive" the world was but beyond the prologue the world really doesn't take in account of the things you have done. There are some things but its alot smaller than what was showcased.

dlok,

Yeah same, I had quite a good time with the game on launch with a gtx 2080 but I appreciate the console players probably didn’t have fun.

SRo,

It never was a shit volcano. Maybe don’t have shit taste or try to play it on a toaster.

NegativeLookBehind,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

Lol you can watch YouTube videos to see how shit it was. There’s really no reason or basis to argue this with the monumental amount of evidence that proves it. Sony pulled it from their online store because it was so bad.

SRo,

Well as I said, don’t play it on a toaster.

NegativeLookBehind,
@NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social avatar

Don’t port your software for a toaster and tell your consumers that it’ll run fine.

jackpot, do games w CD Projekt Spent Roughly $125 Million Turning Cyberpunk 2077 Around Post-Launch
@jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

has combat beem rebalanced to be more like the mods now

icydefiance,

I’m not familiar with the mods, but the combat was definitely rebalanced. Enemies scale with your level now, guns themselves were rebalanced, armor is on cyberware instead of clothing, and the new perk trees are more consistently useful instead of some perks being worthless and others being game breaking.

jackpot,
@jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

enemies scale? to whag degree? also heres what one mjnute of modded rebalanced combat looks like but yiu should look into more vids to undersyand all the differences m.youtube.com/watch?v=1qoHZxn664I

icydefiance,

enemies scale? to whag degree?

Damage, hp, and drop rarity. It means you can go anywhere in the city at any level (after act 1) and both the challenge and rewards will feel good. It’s also nice because you can grab the iconics you want for your build right away instead of playing half of the game without them.

You still gradually get more powerful as you get more perks. It’s just not as simple as out levelling the enemies anymore.

also heres what one mjnute of modded rebalanced combat looks like

TTK is still pretty high compared to that video, unless you invest heavily in the Cool tree and focus on headshots.

tdawg,
@tdawg@lemmy.world avatar

Personally I hate scaling in games. It makes leveling up feel pointless or even punishing. Nothing feels better than returning to the intro area as a god and nuking the npcs from orbit

icydefiance,

You know, normally I would agree with you, but this one feels different to me. I think it’s because there’s no endgame, so if I out-level all the enemies then there’s nothing left to play for.

Drbreen,

Doing that in Starfield right now lol Hey you level 1 syndicate, ffffffuck off! Bam

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

And Very Hard is still a cake walk :(

They supposedly increased the combat AI, I suppose that only matter to Gear of War style players

fosforus,

Do they scale? I seemed to have lots of difficulty in levels 1-10, and now my 50+ character obliterates every regular encounter with its pinky finger with no need to take any cover from incoming fire, and even the named enemies are not really a challenge.

I think that’s good though, scaling is a dumb mechanic in a game like this.

SkunkWorkz, do games w CD Projekt Spent Roughly $125 Million Turning Cyberpunk 2077 Around Post-Launch

I’m still not gonna buy it though.

Kit, do games w CD Projekt Spent Roughly $125 Million Turning Cyberpunk 2077 Around Post-Launch

The sad part is that this sets the standard (again) that companies can market the hell out of an unfinished game, release it buggy as hell, and still make an amazing profit. This doesn’t bode well for the future.

Wahots,

Eh, I dunno about the rest of you, but after 2077 I feel pretty good. Tuned out Starfield and the initial craze and feel…no fomo. I wait for games like BG3 to come out of early access before playing, and only play the games in early access that are actually worth it, like Sons of The Forest, which was pretty decent even at launch (when the fun bugs are still in, and weapons have not been balanced in the slightest!)

I’m hitting the now old classics, Battlefield 1 is excellent, Inscryption is awesome, and the AA and AAA games I do play are quite polished.

If you can count on games just being shitty at launch, you have nothing to worry about. I’ll play the last of us in a few years. I played Days Gone recently and loved it. There’s enough good games these days to have a packed steam library.

clay_pidgin,

Sounds like you might fit in at c/patientgamers !

Goo_bubbs,

c/ 💀

clay_pidgin,

Yeah, it’s on Lemmy.

Wahots,

Which instance? Sounds like a good community!

clay_pidgin,

This one! I haven’t learned how to link yet, sorry.

Oh I see you aren’t a sh.ithead.

Sh.itjust.works/c/patientgamers

Wahots,

Thanks!!

mcc,

Does it? I personally would not buy anything from CDPR ever unless I got no better option. Many would think the same.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

No Witcher 4 for you then?

tdawg,
@tdawg@lemmy.world avatar

Yes

curiousaur,

Well, if you don’t buy unfinished games like me, you get to play this amazing game for just $30 on sale.

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yep, waiting for the next sale to finally grab it.

Wage_slave, do games w CD Projekt Spent Roughly $125 Million Turning Cyberpunk 2077 Around Post-Launch
@Wage_slave@lemmy.ml avatar

Worth it. Money well spent.

pete_the_cat, (edited ) do games w CD Projekt Spent Roughly $125 Million Turning Cyberpunk 2077 Around Post-Launch

They did a pretty good job fixing it up… but it also took like 4-5 years. Some things I’m like “it took at least 5 years for you to think of implementing this??”

Edit: 5 years meaning it should have been added during the initial development.

100,

5 years? Mon frere it came out December of 2020.

pete_the_cat,

5 years meaning “from the start of development”. A lot of these things should have been there from the beginning.

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