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Glytch, do games w Deep Rock Galactic roguelike dev says innovation for innovation's sake is too expensive to survive: "We're a studio of 50 people with bills to pay"

DRG Survivors is innovative enough for what it is. More importantly it’s well-made and a fun addition to the world of DRG. Does it reinvent the genre? No, but it does some interesting things with its different challenges so it stays fresh for longer than most bullet heavens.

PsyKiere, do games w Deep Rock Galactic roguelike dev says innovation for innovation's sake is too expensive to survive: "We're a studio of 50 people with bills to pay"

Would you recommend DRG? I’ve heard some good things, but never tried it.

Delphia,

I asked a friend who plays it and he says its good with randoms, but great if you have a crew you regularly game with.

Sciaphobia,

It’s great either way. It has a good community.

omarfw,

I’d say try it out to see if you like the gun mechanics and movement/different classes. If you do then you’ll love the game even more when you get to the higher difficulties. If it’s not your thing, you can refund on steam if still under 2 hours of playtime.

isyasad,
@isyasad@lemmy.world avatar

I personally would not recommend it. I’ve played ~20 hours with friends. Despite being a simple co-op game, it has these seasonal battle passes and multiple currencies that I would expect from something like Fortnite / Call of Duty / pay-to-win mobile games. That’s mostly an aesthetic gripe because it doesn’t directly effect the gameplay, but I’m not a huge fan of the gameplay either. Combat is really imprecise/messy, which I’m sure is the point but I can’t get behind it. May be worth to play with friends, but I would not recommend it solo at all. What I can say I really like though is the 3D map tool for the randomly generated caves 🤤 beautiful 3D map

RowRowRowYourBot,

All of those “currencies” are free. There is no paid way to get them. You just have to change which season you are playing to get that season’s scrip. There is no pay to win. There is merely paid skin packs

isyasad,
@isyasad@lemmy.world avatar

Yes I know. I just mean that the multiple currencies is something I didn’t like and is a downside of the game for me. Not only because I think they are not fun to collect, but because they aesthetically remind me of pay-to-win currencies and it’s a slight ick. As they say in the article, they deliberately copy elements from other games to add to their own. That’s cool, but I don’t like the specific things they copied: battle passes and multiple-currency upgrade trees.

RowRowRowYourBot,

Ok but your objection is based on vibes then and run counter to the actual facts at hand so why misrepresent what Ghost Ship is doing? Their passes and scrip have nothing in common with paid for battle passes (which aren’t examples of pay to win either)

Abnorc,

To be fair, a game giving you bad vibes is a valid reason not to play it. It’s not a piece of software developed with a practical task in mind.

isyasad,
@isyasad@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t believe I misrepresented anything, I never said that the currencies or battle passes were paid. OC asked if people would recommend, and I think I wouldn’t recommend because I didn’t enjoy it and I described the reasons I didn’t enjoy it, which as I said in my comment were aesthetic complaints (rather than monetary or gameplay or anything).

My objection is based on vibes because I think vibes and aesthetics and artistic direction are important to me, and those are the grounds on which I don’t like Deep Rock Galactic

JoeBidenUnofficial,

It’s extremely fun with friends. I’ve got probably 100+ hours in it

sneezycat, do games w "Games are meant to be engaging, not exhausting": Lead dev on promising Soulslike RPG says
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

What some devs don’t understand is the “reward” on soulslikes is actually learning the boss itself. Figuring out the parrying patterns in Sekiro feels very good, it’s not about what happens after beating the boss.

What makes it challenging and not punishing is having telegraphed moves, windows to punish the boss, and clear animation that shows you how to dodge/parry, without bullshit hitboxes.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

i feel like that was done better in sonic frontiers than in any soulslike

50_centavos, (edited ) do games w "Games are meant to be engaging, not exhausting": Lead dev on promising Soulslike RPG says

I’m a huge fan of Souls-like games but I have no problem with a difficulty slider IF the hardest setting rewards you with exclusive achievements or access to bonus areas in the game. It would be funny if the easiest setting replaces bosses with cute animals or something. Like kill this baby deer or play on hard mode.

Also, IMO if a game is not challenging it becomes incredibly boring after a few hours. I tried playing Assassin’s Creed Odyssey and put it on the hardest setting and it was like mild sauce from Taco Bell. Only bonus was a tiny more XP.

reksas, do games w Deep Rock Galactic roguelike dev says innovation for innovation's sake is too expensive to survive: "We're a studio of 50 people with bills to pay"

I guess I know not to buy more from then in that case. I’m tired of playing same slop from different companies that dont want to try anything new. DRG is good game but it also feels like its not living up to its fullest potential, now i know why.

pixeltree,
@pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This isn’t DRG, this is DRG survivors

FunnyUsername, do games w "Games are meant to be engaging, not exhausting": Lead dev on promising Soulslike RPG says
@FunnyUsername@lemmy.world avatar

just please no more sekiro

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"

That title seems like it is intended to sound extremely derogatory / condescending

CaptDust,

GamesRadar has been pushing these “but where gam?” articles for some time. It started right after silksong was delayed past the original hollow knight dev time. They seem utterly convinced silksong will be vaporware, or (more likely) it drives plenty of clicks complaining.

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

I wasn’t aware of that.

CaptDust,

It was way more obvious back when team cherry went radio silence (circa 2022?) - and on some level I can understand “we’re game journalists, no one gets a pass” targeting a heavily delayed game, but I’m admittedly one of those fans that have no problem giving Cherry whatever time they need. I’m in no rush.

ampersandrew, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a beta test branch on Steam that was uploaded 5 months ago, and the game has been age rated in South Korea. Yes, that game is coming. For good reason, it’s also the belle of the ball when it comes to marketing deals, so as much as it’s a meme to say maybe it’s at the next Nintendo Direct, it might be at the next Nintendo Direct. For everyone’s sake, I hope it gets its release date soon so that we can stop talking about it.

JPAKx4,

If it was at the direct, they would have rolled with the “teasers” that people invented

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"

I mean… basically every platform is calling it an “upcoming game”. I want to say even fricking Nintendo have put it in a few sizzle reels?

Yes, it is a scientific fact that acknowledging Silksong adds at least another week until it releases. But it is also THE biggest indie game out there.

Bademantel, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"
@Bademantel@lemmy.world avatar

Let them cook.

hal_5700X, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"

Six years of hype, it never going to live up too. Team Cherry did this to themselves.

Artyom,

It is hard to make a sequel to the best game of all time, unless it is the new best game of all time. I’m not sure the extended dev time is the dominant issue here.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t have to be the best game of all time. It just has to be at least as good as Hollow Knight.

CarbonBasedNPU,

I just don’t see it happening at this point. I hope they prove me wrong but my intention is telling me it’ll be at most 7/10.

shadowedcross,
@shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works avatar

Even that would be difficult for any developer.

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

True, but some pretty good clones have come out since Hollow Knight, so it’s not impossible.

Abnorc,

The lack of communication from Team Cherry is the only issue, and it’s the primary thing that makes me skeptical about the game ever releasing. If they were working on the game for this long, they’d at least have enough material to give us some kind of an update. It could be as small as a blog post.

Not to imply that they owe us that or anything. They possibly are just completely disinterested in marketing. It’s a little hard to believe given the amazing trailer that they put together years ago, but it’s still possible.

caseofthematts,

They do kinda owe people something - at least those that contributed to the funding of the first game. Silksong was originally a 2nd playable character that was unlocked as a reward from the Kickstarter for Hollow Knight. Then it turned into a DLC, and now it’s turned into a full game.

50_centavos,

Idk if you’re being sarcastic but Hollow Knight is far from the best game of all time. Not saying it’s not good, but to crown it ahead of soooo many better games is pretty ridiculous.

SomethingBurger,

And even if it were the best game of its genre, how can you compare it to other best games of all times like GTA SA or Mario Galaxy 2? They are totally different.

Artyom,

What a shit take. Excuse me while I go play Hollow Knight again…

50_centavos,

👍

glitchdx, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"

are they still working on it? yes? then it will come out when it comes out. There’s enough content in my backlog to keep me occupied for another 5 years at least, and more new games release every day. I can wait.

neon_nova, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"

I want them to take all the time they need. The more time in the oven, the better.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Only as long as it’s not in the oven so long due to mismanagement and constantly changing direction.

See: Duke Nukem Forever

neon_nova,

Ohh uh yeah good point.

I didn’t check, but I’d guess it’s the same small group of people who made the first one.

Maybe at this point they are holding off to make it a switch 2 launch title.

CaptDust,

Team cherry is like 4 people, I’m confident that’s not a problem.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

It could be the sudden and unexpected success of Hollow Knight paralyzing them the way that happened with Valhiem. Not that it’s necessarily a fault of the devs; you hit a huge success like that, there is now a weight on your shoulder to always be that good.

CaptDust, (edited )

This could be, hollow knight is one hell of a bar to clear. Valhiem was a lesson that studios are hard to scale up, and doing it distracts from development. There’s also something to be said about making a dream project, then having the focus and drive to keep it going and expanding.

Annd It’s possible their main dev might be addicted to balatro and there’s no way to factor or predict that kind of impact.

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/9365db89-53e9-4f8f-8d62-a2efaa3de4dc.png

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Development on your game being delayed because you’re too busy playing another game is perfectly fair.

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

I can’t be mad at that. xD

Underwaterbob, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"

Power to them. I’m sure Hollow Knight made them all independently wealthy. I’d be hard pressed to bother to work too hard, too.

PeteWheeler, do games w 6 years and 1 prolonged delay later, Xbox is still calling "incredible" Hollow Knight: Silksong one of its "upcoming games"

My prediction is that Silksong will be a Nintendo Switch 2 launch title or something similar.

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