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ilinamorato, do games w Veteran Videogame Analyst: Subscription growth has flattened [in video games]

Ok…someone help me out here, because I must be reading this wrong.

In the first tweet, Mat says “the idea that subs will become dominant is unsupported by data.” Ok, so subs are not helping the industry.

But then in the second tweet, he says “Subs have been more additive than cannibalistic”–so wait, they’re actually good for the industry?–and they offer more choice, and fearmongering is unnecessary?

Am I reading this wrong?

TheEntity,

He means that the subscribers don't stop buying games elsewhere. They do both instead of migrating from one model to the other.

ilinamorato,

Ok, that’s exactly what I thought it meant. So why isn’t that good for the industry? Doesn’t that mean that they’re double-dipping?

TheEntity,

It is. But the industry would rather have all of us subscribing because that's a constant profit and they love constant profit. They'd rather have 100% subscribing and 0% buying than 10% subscribing and 100% buying.

ilinamorato,

I think I’m getting it now. He was saying “don’t worry” to consumers, not video game companies.

Buddahriffic,

I think he’s saying that neither extreme is right. Subscriptions aren’t going to take over the entire market but they will likely continue to play a role going forward.

ilinamorato,

So my current understanding of this is that he’s telling us, as consumers, not to worry because subscriptions are not taking over the industry like the industry wants it to. It’s working for them, but it’s not taking over.

themeatbridge, (edited )

Consider the french fry.

When McDonald’s started asking “would you like fries with that?” their sales and profits exploded. That really happened.

Now let’s get theoretical. Imagine you were a potato farmer, and your friend was a cattle farmer. You both have an interest in selling as much of your product for the highest price possible.

You might try to promote potatoes, because that’s good for you. “French fries are going to become the main course, and burgers are going to become obsolete.” Well, no, that’s not supported by the data. That doesn’t mean that fries aren’t good for McDonald’s. Sales for both went up. People buying french fries didn’t buy fewer burgers. The effect was additive, not canibalistic.

Of course, does that mean that either is “good” for the industry? Does that mean it’s “good” for consumers? Is it fearmongering to point out the health risks of eating fried potatoes and ground beef every day, or how bad factory feeding people is for the economy?

Subscription gaming isn’t going to replace traditional games. But it has become a significant part of the industry. If that’s good or bad depends on your perspective.

the_post_of_tom_joad,

Golly that was really well put. thanks, friend

ilinamorato,

Thank you. That’s perfect.

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

“the idea that subs will become dominant is unsupported by data.” Ok, so subs are not helping the industry.

I’m not really sure how you’re reaching the conclusion that subs not becoming dominant means they’re somehow not helping the industry.

xkforce,

Something not being dominant does not mean that it is cannibalistic or bad for the industry… it just means that it isnt the dominant form of income for them.

johntash, do games w Veteran Videogame Analyst: Subscription growth has flattened [in video games]

Do micro transactions or even battle pass type things count as subscriptions in the data he’s referring to? Or buying subscriptions/passes with in game currency that was purchased with real money?

I think it’d be more appropriate to compare the upfront cost of a game (and the revenue from it) vs additional revenue generated by people who already paid that upfront cost.

dejected_warp_core, do games w Veteran Videogame Analyst: Subscription growth has flattened [in video games]

Subs becoming dominant… is this why Nintendo called it the “switch”?

trackcharlie, do games w Veteran Videogame Analyst: Subscription growth has flattened [in video games]

Gotta love when people start making shit up in order to do a ‘gotcha’. Especially when they usually don’t read any additional materials to back up their incompetent viewpoints.

I am personally against subscription models and prefer to pay for a product but I’m not going to just ignore the benefit that sub models have provided to the industry.

olafurp, do games w Veteran Videogame Analyst: Subscription growth has flattened [in video games]

Top reply to it is:

Not to mention it’s an oxymoron to say that subs will be dominant

GardenVarietyAnxiety, do games w Persona 3 Reload sold 1 million copies worldwide within its first week, becoming the fastest selling game in Atlus history

Fk ya. More Persona pls.

Cybersteel, do games w Persona 3 Reload sold 1 million copies worldwide within its first week, becoming the fastest selling game in Atlus history
@Cybersteel@lemmy.world avatar

Prob cause it was available on all major platforms on release.

Ilflish,

And it was an international release as well.

ramble81, do games w Persona 3 Reload sold 1 million copies worldwide within its first week, becoming the fastest selling game in Atlus history

From the wiki: “ of their psyche known as a Persona, which they summon by firing a gun-like object called an “Evoker” at their head.”

Ummm, what?

sigmaklimgrindset,

Early spoilers for P3/Reload, but yeah this is actually how you use your powers in P3. Skip to 1:24 if the time stamp doesn’t work.

Trigger warning for anime teen shooting himself in the head, there is no blood or bits.

Anyways, I really like P3, I hope Persona 2 duology gets a remake like this (it won’t).

ramble81,

Ah nothing like giving impressionable youth a game that makes them think if they blow their brains out they’ll get super powers.

sigmaklimgrindset,

I mean this game is set in and made by people in Japan, gun culture is very different there. “Impressionable youths” wouldn’t even have access to a gun.

Also, the visual of teens shooting themselves in the head is very much a thematic point, as Japan’s teen suicide rate is very much a systemic issue they were (and are still) grappling with when the story was written.

Rai,

“Won’t somebody PLEEEEASE think of the CHILDREN?!”

samus12345,
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lowleveldata,

Right. Also shooters makes you murderous and anime games make you a pedophile because no one ever can distinguish real life from games.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

How would that work? Considering I mean that past studies have always shown that this doesn’t work like that for kids learning things from fictional works.

(nevermind that there’s no way they’d have a gun except in some really ass backwards countries without any gun laws)

beefcat,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

It’s rated M

Boldizzle,
@Boldizzle@lemmy.world avatar

Lol the game comes with major trigger warnings the moment you boot it up, not to mention it’s not for kids.

But damn, stay away from the likes of Doki Doki Literature Club if you think this game is bad.

maness300,

Last I checked, the game was rated M for mature.

If your kids are playing this, it’s your fault. It’s weirdly sexual, too.

Crafter72, (edited ) do games w Persona 3 Reload sold 1 million copies worldwide within its first week, becoming the fastest selling game in Atlus history
@Crafter72@lemmy.world avatar

Now if only FATLUS port other mainline Megaten games into PC/steam at reasonable price. Seeing Noctune on steam was like fever dream, not to mention that rumour SMTV for PC release from Geforce Now leak ;_;

maness300,

Can’t you just emulate them?

Crafter72,
@Crafter72@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. You can emulate almost every mainline Megaten games. However, native pc port lets user to have accessibility (especially for casual user) instead of going through steps setup emulator. Paired that with reasonable regional price (except I doubt in the case of ATLUS/SEGA), they can have free money printer while at the same time adds more availability to how you play them.

Crystal_Shards64, do games w Persona 3 Reload sold 1 million copies worldwide within its first week, becoming the fastest selling game in Atlus history

Does this include gamepass downloads? Either way that’s great. I’m glad Atlus has recently brought their games over to PC and xbox

mesamunefire, do games w 15 billion score in Pokemon Pinball + Caanoo

I know there are others that have probably reached a higher score, but thought I would share. Ive been playing this off and on for over 11 years. I actually dont remember when I started.

tacosanonymous,

That must have taken forever.

other_cat,
@other_cat@lemmy.world avatar

Over 11 years at least.

Grass,

I’m surprised the numbers go that high

PineRune, do games w 15 billion score in Pokemon Pinball + Caanoo

Holy crap, that’s dedication. Were you using savestates at all?

My late uncle let me play his copy when I was a kid, and when he told me I caught some pokemon he didn’t have. I got really proud of myself. I remember always trying to get the Master Ball, but it was too hard on the Red table, so I’d always play blue.

mesamunefire,

Off and on. At first I didn’t, then decided to do it later on when I figured it out on the caanoo.

It’s great to hear about your uncle.

brsrklf, do games w 15 billion score in Pokemon Pinball + Caanoo

Once during a long train trip I beat the Metroid Prime three times in a row in Metroid Prime Pinball, and at that point I told myself “OK, this game will never end, drain all remaining balls and do something else”.

steal_your_face,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

Something something drain my balls

mesamunefire, do games w 15 billion score in Pokemon Pinball + Caanoo

Big thanks to the awesome people over at /c/retrogaming for helping me get my save file off the Caanoo and into something more modern (Skyemu and Miyoo mini plus).

lemmy.world/post/13212008

Hopefully ill be playing the game for another decade :D

SquigglyEmpire, do games w 15 billion score in Pokemon Pinball + Caanoo

Oh man, you just inspired me to dig through multiple boxes and dust off my Caanoo (and it’s older brother the GP32).

mesamunefire,

Nice!

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