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Banichan, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

Will someone please explain to me how a video game exploits children.

elgordino,

You could start with this People Make Games video from a couple of years ago. https://youtu.be/_gXlauRB1EQ?si=Ttg4-Bust1K-X-22

Banichan,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

I said explain. It’s this old school thing we used to do where we JUST TELL A PERSON SOMETHING

Randomgal,

I get what you are saying, and actually agree with out. But you don’t have to be an asshole about it. No one has the obligation to attend your tantrums.

Children make games on Roblox (real games, the thing people do working in the industry), Roblox makes money off those games and pays close to nothing to the children. Therefore, exploits children.

mke, (edited )

Sometimes, there are already resources explaining more clearly and thoroughly than we could. And although I’m unsure if this case qualifies, there are definitely topics that can’t be reduced to a few sentences. Thus, a reputable link is often worth more to both sides: it saves the explainer time and effort while informing the target far better.

If you don’t want to engage with the content, I believe there are better ways to go about it than being rude to people who were likely trying to help.

blackbelt352,

The video is an explanation, none of us want to regurgitate multiple 30-45 minute videos that already explain exactly what your asking.

NaibofTabr,

The video is an explanation.

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Obvious bad faith argument

Badabinski,

This comment is such a beautifully concise argument for the existence of block buttons. Toodles~

LainTrain,

No we didn’t. Telling people something was invented in 2016 by russian bots in Kamchatka on Twitter.

Watch the video or feed it into ChatGPT for a summary or Google a pre-existing summary.

Banichan,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

Get a life, guy

LainTrain, (edited )

I’m not the one going around begging peeps for explanations

Donut,

Read the article and find out

Banichan,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

Just give me the broad strokes

Donut,

Stop expecting handouts with 0 effort especially when the answer is one tap away.

MotoAsh,

Jeeze, he must work for Roblox with that level of expected free labor…

eratic,

Lemme compile it all into a 20 second tiktok video

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Kids make maps. Stuff in the maps is sold for Roblox bucks. Roblox bucks cost money to buy. The kid who makes the map gets the Roblox bucks, and can sell them. The problem is you only get 30% back when you sell a Roblox buck.

So kids spend time making big maps and servers, buying ads, getting shoutouts on YouTube/whatever, and Roblox takes a 70% cut from all of it

Banichan,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

Sounds like a normal business that gives kids a chance to make money.

Quill7513,

Its exploiting child labor and the impulsive brain chemistry of adolescence.

Banichan,
@Banichan@dormi.zone avatar

“labor” 😂

Quill7513,

What would you call it when a child does work that you profit from?

TrickDacy,
@TrickDacy@lemmy.world avatar

Doesn’t matter what you call it. It’s profitable and you know that’s what’s meant.

ZeroHora,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

Is labor. There is a whole market of Roblox related things, there are job sites, freelance sites that employ kids to work on design/programming/marketing of these game modes. To pay them the game currency that maybe later can be traded for real money.

Is not just kids tinkering with the game.

themurphy,

Fair enough, but couldn’t the same be said about YouTube? They also take the biggest cut of the ad money for creators.

Quill7513,

Yes. Using kids to drive engagement on YouTube is exploitative. Parents who do that are exploiting their children

notfromhere,

But what about…? Doesn’t excuse the first thing!

themurphy,

Why did anyone read my comment as an excuse? I was pointing two fingers instead of one on Roblox.

notfromhere,

Probably the “but”. I agree that both are exploitive and they should all be called out on it.

themurphy,

My bad. English is not my first language.

mashbooq,

A normal business, yes. Normal businesses are highly and cruelly exploitative, which is why we decided 80 years ago (in the US) that children, at the very least, should be protected from them.

emuspawn,
@emuspawn@orbiting.observer avatar

The children yearn for the mines

Summzashi,

Can’t tell if you’re kidding.

ShinkanTrain,

Isn’t it more like 20%

AstralPath,
eskimofry,

You must not be just a troll… but a mountain troll

paraphrand,
meldrik, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

Nice.

Leate_Wonceslace, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Good.

mikwee, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”
@mikwee@thebrainbin.org avatar

Awful. A government should not be allowed to block websites.

UndercoverUlrikHD,
@UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

What about websites providing CSAM, hosting livestreams of animals being tortured for payment, selling drugs, etc…

Blocking a website is the only way for a country to stop these kind of illegal activists, short of shutting down the physical servers.

Ghostbanjo1949,

That statement doesn’t really make sense. Especially in this case, the website is a business and a store. A government definitely has the right to take legal action against a physical store operating within it’s jurisdiction, so why would the same not hold true for an electronic one?

peopleproblems, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

It is the single most difficult thing as a parent to put my foot down about. Or it was at first.

My son LOVES watching the YouTubers playing the (horribly developed) games and enjoys making pretend games based on what he watches (some of it, sometimes we have to skip a video). He has a lot of friends at school that play it.

I will not let my son play it. Minecraft? Sure. Minecraft has a very different system, plenty of it crap, but it’s much easier to supervise and much less exploitive.

But he does let me know that he feels left out when his friends play it and he can’t. He doesn’t have any siblings, so I understand how it’s difficult to lack that connection to peers. He has other ways he gets to connect - mine craft, local playgyms, events for children, sports.

As a parent part of the empathy is feeling that sadness that comes from his disappointment in not being allowed to play it. But I think he has started to understand as he’s gotten a little older, that adults making money off of what a kid makes isn’t nice, or fair, or safe.

Turkey did well here. I don’t think we’ll ever have something similar in the states, but I hope regulation can come about eventually.

killabeezio,

I straight up told my kid that he will not be playing that game. So you’re not alone out there and you’re doing well by taking an interest in your child’s activity and monitoring them appropriately. I wish more parents would do the same.

glizzard,

If he likes the idea of making games, just find a playlist of Godot or Unreal 5 game building on youtube. Most of that stuff can be done low-code, and would be perfect for someone who wants to click around and make something. It can be frustrating at first… but if you find something that actually works, I bet it’d click

WalnutLum,

There’s also a block coding plugin for Godot now too!

github.com/endlessm/godot-block-coding

Perfect tool to get kids into game creation.

Empricorn,

Damn, superstar. Save some A++ parenting for other people! Seriously, you must be raising a top-quality person…

peopleproblems,

I wish. There are things we have been unable to change, even with the assistance of a couple of child psychologists.

When he gets upset with other kids, particularly when they break rules, he is absolutely convinced he needs to be the executive of the rules and often hits or pushes the other kids.

He was doing it before my ex and I separated. It only seems to happen during the summer at the day care program, so it’s likely something more going on there.

Kids are still humans, and honestly I have to remind myself I’m doing the best I can. Because if I knew a better way to do things, I’d be doing that instead.

To me it’s not about raising a superstar, it’s raising someone who shares my values, and is capable of caring for themselves as an adult. Socializing and play is the most vital part of childhood development, so I do everything I can there.

Empricorn,

Well put. I exaggerated, and not to minimize their issues, but the fact you clearly care and are willing to work at it makes me less worried for them.

All you can do is encourage good behavior/perspectives and discourage the bad. At some point, every child growing up will have to decide if they want to be like their parents or not. You’re clearly doing great, just keep going! And take care of yourself as well…

Ghostbanjo1949,

Yeah the same conversations have occurred in my household. I think you made the right choice here. I’m a huge gamer myself and developer, not on Roblox. Usually if anything it’s me being the lenient one when it comes to games in our home, vice my wife. This is one that I did not allow from day 1 regardless of the age of the kid. It was apparent to be a bad apple to me from my initial looks at it, and has only proven that point over the years. I can’t imagine though how hard it is for most parents who are not entrenched in that industry to navigate decisions like that.

AeroLemming,

If he likes making simple games, consider introducing him to Scratch. It’s not monetized at all and last I checked, was much better moderated than other online platforms for kids.

Mwa, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Ngl roblox kinda sucks and their moderation is awful

Emerald,

Ngl roblox kinda ##### and their moderation is #####

Mwa,
@Mwa@thelemmy.club avatar

Roblox chat filter

mrvictory1, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

FYI, Instagram was blocked in Turkey a few days before Roblox ban. Both are still blocked.

PlainSimpleGarak,

Based Turkey.

Eggyhead, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

I've always thought roblox was dumb, but its kind of just a playground. Kids need a playground where their imaginations are free to grow and thy're in control. Somewhere they can interact and learn how to socialize safely with other children. When i was a kid, that was a walk to the park with friends to kick a ball around, riding a bicycle somewhere, exploring, and working out some dumb activities to do... Honest question: how comfortable are you with the idea of just letting your kids go to the park by themselves for hours on end?

For better or worse, it seems like sandbox creativity games like roblox are filling that void for some kids. Not saying roblox is an answer to a problem, just that kids seem to be utilizing it as a playground where they get to be creative and in control. Not sure why I'm bringing this up. It's just a thought that occurred to me recently.

MindTraveller,

Kids deserve to have games like Roblox, but they don’t deserve to be exploited financially by them by child labour and gambling mechanics.

As always, the answer to child welfare is to prevent them interacting directly with capitalism and markets. Children should always be given a communist upbringing with free food, shelter, clothes, healthcare, education, and recreation.

mlg, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Roblox is just knockoff exploitative gmod. Only reason it keeps going is because its free to download.

More annoyed it hasn’t been banned or sued under other consumer protection laws.

zorrothefox2001,
@zorrothefox2001@lemmy.world avatar

You are smoking crack if you think Roblox is a gmod knockoff, but everything else, unfortunately, yeah. I played Roblox in 2012 and it was pretty fun at 11 years old but the pay2win stuff was out of control even back then.

There were a few weird roleplay servers but back then it really just felt like “playing house” online, but the fact that anyone regardless of age could hop in at any time and send socials was fucking weird to me even as a kid.

It needs a serious rework of how the platform works if they want to continue marketing themselves as for children. The game has seen barely any safety improvements from what I’ve seen of current gameplay and mfs are wilin on the internet nowadays

daniyeg, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

most people are focusing on the free labour roblox is extracting from kids but from the article:

Further claims stated, according to Turkish media, that Roblox hosted virtual parties promoting pedophilia and that “robux,” the platform’s virtual currency, was being distributed by bot accounts to encourage children’s involvement in these activities, and excess presence of gambling sites and their predatory tactics.

so it looks like roblox was banned because of bad moderation in regards to gambling and sexual predators, both of which are massive issues of the platform. overall i think this is a good move which hopefully will push roblox to do better.

fritobugger2017,

thanks for that. not gonna let the littles get on roblox until they are older

glizzard, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

I regret to inform you that this news is: BASED

ColdWater, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Lol nice

Pika, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

lol I can see why they would do that

WeLoveCastingSpellz, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

I hate being tuekish man. Thks is my last year in this country.

AnxiousOtter,

I mean, in this particular case, they’re right. Roblox is predatory AF.

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

they banned instagram a week prior. They wil ban more

LainTrain,

Based.

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

No. It isn’t abouf if I personally liked these services or not. This is cencorship. Even my mail service proton is banned in turkey it’s impossible to use the internet without a vpn here it’s a cencorship state.

ZeroHora,
@ZeroHora@lemmy.ml avatar

If they ban a service without a guideline off what laws the companies should abide or either not giving a national alternative is totally fucked but otherwise I hope more countries start to limit what big companies can do within their territories.

WeLoveCastingSpellz,

it definetly is the first thing you mentşoned. they ban shir on a whim

LainTrain,

Personally like/dislike =! Perpetuates child abuse.

AI_toothbrush, do games w Roblox gets banned indefinitely in Turkey over “child exploitation”

Lol when you agree with a ban that turkey made thats a strange day. Maybe a ban is a bit too much but roblox is shitty and they should be pressured to change… and this applies to most large companies

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