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MrScottyTay, (edited ) do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

I’ve always loved god of war. Chains of Olympus being my favourite one. And I still love the new ones both gameplay and story wise. I really like kratos as a character and I like the story of him finally having time to reflect on his actions in the original series and trying to better himself afterwards.

Kolanaki, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story
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I only ever played the first 2 until I got a PS5 that came with Ragnarok.

They’re not even the same game anymore. The originals were more akin to Devil May Cry while Ragnarok felt like it could have been an Assassin’s Creed game.

I can’t say much for the story since I haven’t gone very far in Ragnarok (and only beat 1 and 2 back in the day so my memory on details is a bit hazy) but the game play is definitely a lot different than it started.

The_Vampire, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

Went and watched the original.

Seems like he just doesn’t like the direction and it’s a ‘different strokes for different folks’ kind of thing. I think his point about Ragnarok is fair, the writing is a bit all over the place and that can make characterization suffer.

yamanii, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story
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He’s not wrong, do new stuff, too many remakes and remasters nowadays.

monsterpiece42, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

Could the author have packed any more bias into the article? Like, we get it. You like the new games.

squirrelwithnut, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

Welp. I don’t know what to say other than he’s the creator and he’s completely wrong.

Canthidium_is_a_cuck,

But gamers don’t agree with you…

stopthatgirl7,
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Define “gamers,” because the metacritic user scores would argue your point.

madmax666,

And reviews can’t be swayed right? God forbid there’s a loyal minority who agree with the creator

RampantParanoia2365,

You’re probably right. Must be bird watchers who bought all those copies.

Defaced, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

I played about 3 hours of 2018, and my honest opinion is that the story was kind of interesting, but the gameplay was slow and clunky. The most fun I had with my time was the fight in the beginning with Baldur, and most of it was a cutscene. I prefer the gameplay and fluidity of combat in the original trilogy, which I have beaten, to this new version. With that being said, it’s still a good game, just not my cup of tea.

pinkdrunkenelephants, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

I’m confused, is everyone upset the new games have more depth or are they upset the new games oppose revenge?

Anti-revenge stories are blatantly shallow, preachy propaganda pieces that seek to fulfill a political agenda.

Pro-revenge stories absolutely can and often do have depth and well-written characters.

So let’s stop conflating the two.

Shadywack, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story
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As someone who has played from the beginning, and seen the entire storyline unfold through the multiple directors, I was so disappointed…in nothing absolutely at all whatsoever about the new games.

I thought it was really cool how they stitched the story back to GoW3 and developed the new character so thoughtfully. Christopher Judge seemed to take the character much further while adding depth, and being thoughtful too.

If Jaffe doesn’t like that Kratos isn’t a mindless rage machine, different strokes I guess. He’s definitely in the minority and I think every subsequent game director did an overall better job than he did in GoW 1. *shrug

Notorious_handholder,

Parts of 2018 and Ragnarok and the ending of both actually had me tear up a bit, not many games accomplish that. It was very heartfelt and emotional I enjoyed seeing a proper character arc for Kratos and his kid and watching them develop.

I also really liked the themes of redemption and trying to be better not just for yourself, but for the people around you, I liked that Kratos has to reflect on his actions and actually come to terms with how he was for all intents and purposes, a monster.

I liked that even enemies where made more complex and given good character arcs. 2018 and Ragnarok are so well done and I love them. The old GoW trilogy was also fun and had good writing in it’s own merit and direction, but the new games are something else entirely in a good way and I vastly prefer the character and relationship focused writing in the newer games.

Boxtifer,

I love this positive note! Thank you for not being Reddit.

Canthidium_is_a_cuck,

Like if Lemmy.World was better 🤣 It’s exactly the same or even worst.

RampantParanoia2365,

Sounds like Jaffe does not akree

MeatsOfRage, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

Something about the new games that really bothered me was how it handled puzzle rooms. You’d walk into a room and start to look around then your kid would yell out “hey I think we should shoot that target up there which should knock down this bridge for us”. Golly thanks, guess I won’t get to attempt to figure things out myself then. I pretty much fell off about 10 hours into the first one because I found that so frustrating. Does that go away after a while?

lolcatnip,

Not from what I’ve read elsewhere.

Grass,

I can’t think of any times he did that when I played. Most things I either figured out right away or missed quickly. I went backtracking while he was in his rebellious phase and he was mostly useless as a tutorial prompt. Any scenes out of order that required him to be cheery made him seem mentally unstable too.

Sigh_Bafanada,

Yeah, while I personally really enjoyed both new games, I can understand not liking the way the gameplay went. However, I think Kratos’ story is a perfect evolution for the character, so I cannot really understand his opinion there

madmax666, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

I said the same thing on reddit and got banned. Ragnorrak was pandering garbage compared to first trilogy

Canthidium_is_a_cuck,

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  • madmax666,

    Brave new world lol

    madmax666, (edited )

    *they do shadow banning, how progressive

    BedbugCutlefish, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story
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    I mean, I too would be unhappy with the new games’ stories. They’re not very good stories overall.

    But, they’re better than the vast majority of video game plots, because that’s a low bar.

    Still, Jaffe seems to imply the old stories in GoW were any better, when they were pure drivel. I might still be very underwhelmed by the story in the two new God of War’s, but I at least like that they’re trying (even if I think the direction of relying heavily on animation and visual flair is the wrong one, as far as telling good stories goes).

    tmyakal,

    Jaffe always struck me as a perpetual adolescent. The two GoW games he worked on were great for the time, but the stories were shallow excuses to showcase as much gore as possible. His other big property, Twisted Metal, was genre-defining gameplay but any narrative was just edgelord violence and/or crass humor.

    The last “big” project I remember coming down the pipe from him was Drawn to Death, which took his signature juvenile tastes and combined them with horrible gameplay and eye-blistering art direction. As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t worked on a game since.

    I’m not saying the new GoW games are perfect, but I wouldn’t say Jaffe has a trusted critical eye.

    BedbugCutlefish,
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    I fully agree. If you read my first comment, I pretty clearly as much as the new ones are pretty bad (story wise), the two Jaffe worked on are even worse in that regard.

    HubertManne, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story
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    meh. I played the first and second I think. I can't believe its still going. Its a pretty limited story to think of as a franchise.

    SuperIce, do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story

    David Jaffe is a fucking idiot whose opinion doesn’t matter anymore.

    Tick_Dracy,
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  • Geth,

    David Jaffe is unhappy that his generic revenge puddle of spit character has actually grown in depth and is truly interesting now.

    Zahille7,

    Instead of just “man literally too angry to die.”

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    Ehh, h’s not wrong. If this David Jaffe guy is a pro-revenge type, of course he has the right to be unhappy: the writers for the new games blatantly said in interviews they completely changed the story around to oppose revenge, completely against the wishes of this Jaffe fellow apparently. Which is ironically a vengeful act.

    People don’t have the right to just change stories to suit their personal opinions and the new writers need to learn to respect that.

    Lest the writers after that change it back to a pro-revenge story with depth and good writing just to spite them.

    Blatant anti-revenge stories are bland, predictable, preachy and uninteresting.

    zalgotext,

    People don’t have the right to just change stories to suit their personal opinions and the new writers need to learn to respect that.

    I think the new writers absolutely do have the right to change the story as they see fit, on account of they’re the writers and David Jaffe isn’t

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    They don’t, because they’re not the original writers and stories are art, not corporate marketing products.

    You don’t have the right to do whatever you want simply because you like it.

    zalgotext,

    You don’t have the right to do whatever you want simply because you like it.

    Yes… Yes you do? Lmao brother have you experienced any story or art in the last, I dunno, ten thousand years? Everyone is just retelling an existing story with their own little tweak or twist.

    Look, it seems like you didn’t like the creative direction of the new games, and that’s fine. But getting mad at the writers and claiming they didn’t have “the right” to write the story as they saw fit (in a brand new series of video games btw, not remakes of the existing ones) is weird.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    No, you don’t.

    You can certainly write fanfiction and create fanart all you want to. People have done it for thousands of years. But it’ll never be the original story no matter how much you want it to be.

    You are not the original creator of the franchise. Grow up and get over it.

    Getting mad at me for telling you the truth won’t change that fact, and it won’t make Jaffe any less correct in his complaint that the writers deliberately destroyed his creation and his original intent. Because they did, and they admitted they did it because they didn’t want a pro revenge story in media.

    Go look up the interviews with the recent GoW writers. Go actually do some research instead of throwing a temper tantrum here because I won’t let you do what you want.

    Objective reality is a thing whether you want it to be or not. You don’t get to decide what the truth is.

    zalgotext,

    Dawg where have I claimed to be an original creator of the franchise? You’re being koo koo for cocoa puffs right now lmao. And the writers didn’t destroy anything. The original games are still there. If Jaffe wanted the new games to be different, if he wanted to preserve his “original intent”, he should have written them himself.

    Jaffe writing the original story doesn’t give him the power to dictate how new stories based on his work are written, and that’s objective reality, not whatever fantasyland you’re living in.

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    When your dumbass looked at me telling you you can’t just do whatever you want, and you responded, “Actually yes, I can”. Like a fucking child.

    When you devolve into insults instead of responding with anything substantive because you know I am right and you are wrong.

    And when deep down inside you felt the pit in your heart grow like a fucking maw when confronted with the fact that reality exists independently of your whim and whimsy.

    Now you don’t get a say in what is canon and what is not. Only original creators can do that. Other people’s works are derivatives at best. That’s the reality you have to learn to accept because reality won’t change simply because you don’t like it.

    Now when you grow up and actually become an adult, we can continue this conversation. I am not gonna waste any more time arguing with a child.

    zalgotext,

    Lol ohhh I get it. You’re projecting 👍

    Beetschnapps,

    I mean on the one hand you have a story of a father and son grieving over loss while finding themselves…

    And on the other you have Kratos fucking bitches via rhythm-based mini games.

    I really do wonder what he thought was so great about the character before?

    hal_5700X, (edited ) do games w God of War Creator Is Unhappy With New Games and Kratos' Story
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    How dare he (the creator of Kratos) don’t like the new games! /s

    Who cares. Just play your games and STFU.

    Tick_Dracy,
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  • hal_5700X,
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    My point was, who cares. Just play your games.

    Tick_Dracy,
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    I agree with that! It doesn’t mean we can’t hate on the new games also 😎

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