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SheeEttin, do gaming w Any Strong Opinions on Games in my Steam Wishlist (provisional) from 2024?

Why remove them? If they look good enough to buy, do it, and get around to the others eventually.

Tenderizer78,

These are just the ones released this year. Next year there’ll be more. And there are games from last year I haven’t gotten to (and the classics on top of that). Leaving the list too big means I miss a lot of them and the ones I do play would be based on gut instinct.

Perhaps at this point there’s no better option than gut instinct, now that I’ve exhausted basically all other criteria. I guess there are more fundamental questions I should be asking myself about how to handle the post-scarcity world of art.

SheeEttin,

Yup. Personally now that I’m an adult and have Responsibilities, I spend less time playing games. I hardly even follow new games coming out, and just work on recommendations from friends, or stuff from developers whose games I’ve enjoyed in the past.

Tenderizer78,

I’m into discovering those unexpected hidden gems, but I’m also into those recommendations and those Zachtronics or Bennett Foddy games. Combined with my limited time … I think I’m gonna have to “kill my darlings” … and of course I can’t even imagine doing that which is probably why I’m so stuck in life.

MentalEdge, do gaming w Stop Killing Games Initiative passes 700K milestone
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/adedbe0f-ed46-488b-a3a3-c41d260bfe95.webp

In case you’re wondering, the graph looks like this. There have currently been 16k new signatures today. The required pace to make it would be 10k a day. Yesterday the count increased by about 30k signatures.

TL;DR Keep spreading this to people you know, and keep signing. It’s working.

sevon,
@sevon@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Until last week I thought it was done, but somehow it flipped around. Things are looking pretty good, with massive youtubers and streamers taöking about it.

I’m glad the ball is rolling again. This can change gaming and set a precedent for other things as well.

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Hopefully this will translate to all software. Next step: Stop killing hardware

sp3ctr4l,

OMG yes, open source all hardware drivers within say 1-5 years of a particular model getting retired?

Now there’s a dream, haha.

black0ut,
@black0ut@pawb.social avatar

Publish schematics with every piece of hardware you make. Paradise for repair technicians and retro tech enthusiasts in a few decades.

sp3ctr4l,

Please, stop teasing, my PiHole can only handle so much!

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

It flipped around because the founder of the movement, Ross, of AccursedFarms on youtube… released a video giving a status report…

And spending a good deal of the video explaining how Thor, PirateSoftware on youtube… has basically been making up bullshit and spreading nonsense about SKG for months now, actively campaigning against SKG, again, based almost entirely on him jumping to hysterical, catastrophic conclusions without factual basis

After that video… basically every single AngloSphere Gamer Youtuber has been putting out videos spreading the SKG messsge, and dogpiling on Thor for being a confused, overconfident narcissist… and Thor is now double triple quadrupling down with ‘im the real victim’ and other such tactics often employed by manipulative narcissists facing the revelation of their public persona as essentially entirely hypocritical.

EDIT: Also, as of right now, I’m seeing 723k…

Which is roughly +20k in only 6 hours from the time this OP was made.

EDIT 2:

If you’ve ever heard of, or seen the Freeman’s Mind series… yeah, that’s Ross, basically being Freeman’s internal monologue, and turning the entirety of Half Life into an action comedy bonanza.

He had more recently been attempting to get through all of HL2 this way as well, in addition to doing esoteric game reviews… untill he got so pissed about Ubisoft being able to just murder The Crew, and what is going on with all games in terms of consumer rights… that he started the SKG movement, and hasn’t had much time to work on his other stuff as much.

sevon,
@sevon@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Yeah, I’m aware of the drama. I just didn’t expected this level of stonks to turn up.

sp3ctr4l,

To be honest, neither did I… and I may have accidentally replied to the wrong comment, could have sworn someone was asking ‘why line go up so fast now’.

Oopsie!

Vittelius,

Turns out people need villains with faces. And the gaming industry wasn’t personable enough to truly hate.

sp3ctr4l,

As a data analyst with an Econ Degree and specialization in Econometrics:

Data and graphs and tables and lists mean nothing to anyone other than nerds, people need a narrative.

As a person who also has a Poli Sci degree:

Uh, the same, but with much more evidence.

pugnaciousfarter,

A data analyst with an econ degree specialising in econometrics and a political science degree. That’s awesome.

Are you the cousin that my mother foretold about?

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

Probably not, I’m the one that’s hated and shunned and gaslit by the entire family because of how easily and often I point out that they are both hypocrites and objectively wrong about nearly every single political, economic or sociological idea they have.

But I do appreciate your validation, lol!

Yeah, got two bachelors degree’s simultaneously.

Managed to do it in 4 years + 1 summer quarter.

But uh yeah, I’m basically too knowledgeable for my own good, and the autism doesn’t help with dealing with abusive narcissist family members.

Oh well!

I ghosted them to the point they probably think I am actually dead.

pugnaciousfarter,

The world is tough out there cousin brother.

I send hugs and vibes.

sp3ctr4l,

<3

a_wild_mimic_appears,

midnight CET: 753k! thats +30k in the last 6 hours. it’s speeding up, i didn’t expect that tbh. 50k people in 12 hours, wow

Ek-Hou-Van-Braai,

Signed and shared, let's go !!

TheOctonaut,

You guys need to make your bots a little less obvious

SSUPII,

found Pirate Software 's profile

LukeZaz,

I swear to God, some people these days will cry bot if someone so much as blinks unexpectedly. Chill.

cecilkorik,

I get accused of being a bot all the time now because I still enjoy writing long-form posts and, y'know, contributing what I can to the state of human knowledge, or what remains of it anyway. I can't blame people for being defensive about it. It's the AIs themselves I'm offended by, they're the ones doing wrong. We're all just trying to cope with the avalanche of unverified garbage they're putting out. It's digital pollution.

LukeZaz,

Yeah. I hear you there. Problem I usually have is that the odds of an accusation tend to scale less with posting style in my experience and more with level of disagreement, or whether or not the poster has personally witnessed something. Basically, “I didn’t see this with my own two eyes/dislike you, so this is obviously bot behavior.” It’s a conspiracy theorist-like attitude, and it’s predated LLMs entirely.

Nonetheless, I’m not happy that an entire new form of bot scrutiny has been introduced, and I absolutely cannot wait for GenAI/LLM hype to die the fuck down.

TheOctonaut,

Nobody said anything about AI or LLMs.

Flooding online petitions with bots isn’t even a this-century thing let alone anything to do with AI hype.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

This isn’t change.org or a twitter poll.

It’s an official EU citizens initiative, hosted on the EU web portal. The one maintained by the EU for the very purpose of digitally facilitating any and all citizens initiatives.

LukeZaz,

I get accused of being a bot all the time now because I still enjoy writing long-form posts

From cecilkorik, who I was replying to. That kind of bot accusation scarcely ever occurred before LLMs entered the picture. You posted too hastily here and missed a huge chunk of context.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

I… What?

Botting something like a citizens initiative, where every signature WILL get scrutinized by government would be seriously stupid. Or are you saying commenters like me are bots?

Is it really that hard for you to imagine the possibility… that people care?

Or are just not aware of the chain of youtubers doing a call to arms on this, getting millions of views, completely explaining the signature spike?

TheOctonaut,

There is zero scrutiny possible for the form which is 100% based on trust that the signer is who they say they are adults where they say they are. If you want to be John Smith in UK, Paddy Murphy in Ireland and Jurgen Schmidt in Germany, you can be. There’s a reason none of these initiatives have done anything except keep people who care about something busy with dopamine graphing instead of doing something like boycotting relevant games and publishers.

And no, like to the EU, Youtuber noise is not relevant to me. Millions of views is literally nothing. You see the general state of the world, yes?

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Right. Because caring about A means you can’t care about B. If you support legislation, you must be boycoting nothing, because no-one in the history of existence has ever done both.

You’re claiming mutual exclusivity where none exists.

You sound more like you’re scared of the implications of this passing, because you’d have us voting with out wallets rather than… actually voting. Nevermind that even games not worth buying should still also be preserved.

Pre-orders, micro-transactions and battle-passes are still a thing, no matter how much we’ve shouted about “big company bad”. This type of crap isn’t something we solve by any one method alone.

And you don’t need to engage with youtube or any other social media, to accept that the phenomenon they enable, occur. To dismiss that reality would be idiotic delusion.

Millions of views is a lot, when all you need to get started, is one of those millions to sign a petition.

TheOctonaut,

You’re claiming mutual exclusivity…

No, I’m not. I’m saying this is a waste of time. Like, writing six paragraphs that say nothing new level of wasting time.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

No, I’m not.

Ok

I’m saying this is a waste of time.

I… What? Is that not a mutual exclusivity argument? For you to have a point, this time and effort would need to be better spent elsewhere. I not only disagree with that, but I have the time and energy to do the other things you are claiming will make a difference.

sp3ctr4l,

Man what the fuck are you talking about, it requires an EU, country specific verification document(s)/id(s), or the intraEU digital ID to verify you are an actual real person who lives where you say you do.

Examples:

Estonia

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/0889fd45-6fd2-4a05-a980-ae8fe42b55b7.webp

Portugal

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4e731cd0-5ce6-4643-bccc-c488466d1b89.webp

Poland

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/73c9f92c-98d6-4f3b-a479-9db42412111a.webp

… etc.

TheOctonaut,

You know you can just fill in what you want right? And the number goes up? They even put the format right there.

Ask ChatGPT to make you a script to fill in that form with Beautiful Soup. Takes 30 seconds, if you haven’t already.

It’s cool that you led with Estonia, the one that was botted to 100% signatures a couple of days ago.

sp3ctr4l,

You are an idiot.

No you cannot fill in any number you want.

This is an official EU webportal for formal citizens initiatives petitions.

Like, ok, I guess you could just spam it with a bot/script, and then INTERPOL comes after you for fucking with an official government website, potentially hundreds or thousands of counts of attempted impersonation / identity theft and lying on a government/legal document.

Like sure, go do a DDOS on I dunno, whitehouse.gov, or your US’s state’s unemployment assistance application web portal.

Those are approximately equivalently stupid things to do.

I repeat: You are an idiot.

TheOctonaut,

No you cannot

(16 words later)

Like, ok, I guess you could

lol

OK buddy, cybercrime never happens and interpol will come arrest your python script if it did because you messed with an EU “government” form that might have resulted in them having to get a 60 year old Greek politican to ask what a EULA was

sp3ctr4l,

You don’t get it.

What happens if you try to just brute force guess at a bunch of possible credit card numbers and addresses and names in some kind of online store?

After maybe a couple of tries, 30 seconds or less of that… the system is rejecting your bullshit fake numbers everytime, and after enough, it auto ip bans you, sends an email to the security admin team, and your journey to getting a chat from INTERPOL or the FBI or what not has now officially begun.

This system doesn’t just accept any old random bullshit you give it.

It is not a random slapdash online poll.

Its only going to count up on that total signatures count if the system actually verifies the info you put in as being consistent with an actual, real, specific person in the system.

I again repeat: You are an idiot.

And I use idiot specifically: you are not only drastically misinformed, but determined, and seem to think very dangerous actions… are not dangerous… you think very unfeasible methods… are feasible.

TheOctonaut,

“an actual, real, specific person in the system”

What system is that?

“Sends an email to the security team”

I can’t tell if you’re my father trying to understand Facebook or my nephew trying to understand a mouse.

sp3ctr4l,

Your idiot noises have no power over me, you contemptible boffin.

You aren’t worth explaining anything further to, such is the density of your thick skull, such is the extent of the gaping, cavernous void present in the part of your mind where relevant contextual information should be.

If you must pester me further, my server admin tutoring rate is $100 per hour, if you can’t afford the cost, just admit you’re lost.

TheOctonaut,

What do you think the word boffin means? Do you mean buffoon? You should probably double-check your phrasing before quoting anime protagonists from memory

TheChargedCreeper864,

I’m with you with the fact that I don’t believe there to be any serious botting attempts, but I didn’t need a digital ID to sign from the Netherlands.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/58c3948c-d7ae-481c-b16f-77667bd1c4cd.jpeg

I think they will verify with the municipality of the person who signed whether they actually exist. Theoretically you could sign on someone you know this information for, but I think IP logging would burn you pretty quick if even one of those is bogus/duplicate.

Also, I don’t know whether such signatures would be counted before any verification would take place

sp3ctr4l,

I mean yeah, technically there will be some EU member states with different guidelines (due to different id/privacy laws) where maybe yes, a few of them could theoretically maybe be pumped up by a bot.

But uh, for some thing… you’d need a fairly well done bot net to even kind of pull that off for long.

As in like, a new and convincingly distinct bot/ip to burn for each signature, that is actually an ip that makes geo sense for the person/real world address it is spoofing…

As you say: basic ip logging.

If its all coming from… a single, or small number of ips… assuming the EU is at least as competent of a server admin as I am, yeah, that’s gonna look pretty fuckywucky in the logs, probably get noticed within 24 hours max.

And yes, I also seriously doubt there would not be some kind of verification of signees at at least some level, that would be initiated after all the thresholds are passed.

But its wildly innacurate to portray this as if… oh yeah any idiot vibe coder could just drill this up to whatever number after 30 minutes.

That was the way the internet worked back in 2006, or how stupid say Twitter polls are now.

Not the same level of inept incompetence going on with EU government websites.

sevon,
@sevon@lemmy.kde.social avatar

That’s entirely backwards. I’ve boycotted these online kill-switched games pretty well, but that means fuck all because the general public is incapable of collectively caring about anything. Regulation on the other hand does have an effect, and should the initiative pass, EU is required to properly answer it.

TheOctonaut,

Answering doesn’t mean doing anything, and all they have to do is generally wave in the direction of the overwhelming popularity and profitability of the products compared to the online petition that 0.2% of the EU’s adult population will have signed.

If the general public does not care, legislation will not follow. Filling out and promotinh a glorified change.org form is energy wasted on actually popularising your viewpoint instead of trying uselessly to get it in unpopularly.

bread,
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

Entirely discounting the fact that the EU has a track record of consumer friendly regulation. I agree, instead of doing what has the highest chance of success, let’s do nothing that could have an impact instead.

TheOctonaut,

What on earth makes you think an online petition, which has never led to any of the consumer friendly regulation you mention, has the ‘highest’ chance? Or that the alternative to a petition is doing nothing?

All of that regulation came primarily from legal cases.

bread, (edited )
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

The fact that it isn’t just a petition, and if successful will put the issue before EU lawmakers. I’m presenting the alternative as doing nothing because you talked about voting with your wallet, and that is essentially doing nothing.

The reason I see this as having a higher chance of success than a legal case is the monetary limitation inherent to the latter. As far as I know there isn’t a big track record of successful ECI’s, so I would assume you’re basing your opinions on regular petitions. Correct me if I’m wrong.

TheOctonaut,

No, I talked about putting this energy into convincing others to vote with their wallets, not just “doing nothing”. A boycott is an active campaign. It doesnt just mean not buying a product. It means not buying any associated product. Not even tolerating them in conversation.

I’m basing my opinion on how the commission has responded to similar successfully raised initiatives: “that’s already covered by legislation and up to EU states to manage”, “no that’s something we cant support, but feel free to appeal endlessly”, and in the most effective one, “committing to making a legislative proposal by 2023 but actually if thats ok we’ll make it 2026 and I suppose then if legislation is agreed it may be in place within a decade” (end cage farming, which polls at 86% approval already in the EU).

bread,
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

Yes, that’s what I was referring to; I didn’t mean you personally voting with your wallet, but in the broader sense. In my opinion there’s little chance of having success with this method in this field.

I’m not saying you’re wrong in basing your opinion on this, but I think the sample size is very small and not necessarily indicative of future results. I’m not saying the chances are sky-high either, but I think this is the best way forward, especially right now with the campaign having received a second wind.

If there are alternative roads to the same goal, I wouldn’t be against supporting those either. I believe this is the best we have right now, that’s why I’ve put it before friends, family etc. If you have a better idea, you should definitely do the same, but downplaying the potential of this campaign helps nobody but those in the games industry.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Citizens iniatives may be a form of petition, but the difference is they come with actual legal requirements.

This isn’t some change.org bs, a list of names totaling some arbitrary number. That’s why it has a hard deadline. And requirements for how signatures have to come from more than one country.

This is a pre-existing system for the people of the EU to force it to tackle an issue. Most EU countries have equivalent systems locally, as well. This isn’t new or unusual for us.

Legal precedent is how the US works. Where lawsuits catalyzing the setting of new standards for what is legal, is the most common way the law changes. If you thought that’s how EU legislation got done, then you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Almost everything the EU does, is based on proposals. Not legal cases.

Those can happen in the EU, too, but we have additional ways to propose law as citizens, and legal cases are more common on the national level, rather than the continental level.

If you can gather proof (signatures) of concern on a given issue, you can force a proposal through the door that normally has to come from elected representatives.

sevon,
@sevon@lemmy.kde.social avatar

It does mean doing something: they have to spell out whether consumers should have rights on this or not. Currently it’s undefined, which is equivalent to “not.”

popularizing your viewpont

And the initiative works against that? You say the cause could have gotten more publicity without it? I really don’t see how that could happen, or understand the point in guilt tripping over it.

energy wasted

I’m starting to think this argument is energy wasted.

algorithmae,

Heaven forbid people checks notes care about something

a_wild_mimic_appears,

you need an digital ID to sign, so bots wouldn’t help.

TheOctonaut,

You need to input a number matching a regex, the format for which is helpfully provided on the page.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Oh shit forreal?

Does that mean I can pay for shit online with made-up credit cards?

sp3ctr4l,
OmegaMouse, do gaming w Any Strong Opinions on Games in my Steam Wishlist (provisional) from 2024?
@OmegaMouse@pawb.social avatar

So you’re wanting to eliminate as many of these games as possible from your wishlist? The only ones I’ve played here are A Short Hike and Animal Well, and I can vouch for both of those being incredible.

A Short Hike is very charming. I had such a fun time playing through it one afternoon and finding all the little secrets. It has a lovely artstyle and is the perfect length.

Animal Well is simply a great metroidvania with some really unique items and beautiful pixel art. There’s some tricky platforming there if you want to get the collectables.

Sorry if that doesn’t really help with your conundrum, but if you want to cut down your wishlist I’d recommend keeping those ones!

Tenderizer78,

Yes, I am looking to remove as many as I can. Although not just based on what people have played but also what news people have heard about them.

A Short Hike wasn’t on the list. It was a “Short Trip”. I played A Short Hike on Epic and didn’t really vibe with it.

Animal Well was in the group of ones I am most likely to play, although I don’t really enjoy metroidvania (I’ll give it a shot anyway though).

Thanks anyway. Not a lot of useable advice but I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

OmegaMouse,
@OmegaMouse@pawb.social avatar

Oh my bad, I hadn’t heard of Short Trip and my brain must’ve got that mixed up xD

I saw the trailers for Squirrel with a Gun, and personally I thought it looked a bit gimmicky. Perhaps the sort of game I’d tire of after a few hours.

Tenderizer78,

I added it when I saw someone praise that the trans-flag shirt gives you extra damage with bricks. Last-minute addition and probably going in my “closer-scrutiny” pile along with Tiny Glade and Dollmare.

OmegaMouse,
@OmegaMouse@pawb.social avatar

haha that’s pretty great to be fair!

Tenderizer78,

I don’t get the joke, but it’s funny nonetheless.

linkinkampf19, do games w Day 349 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
@linkinkampf19@lemmy.world avatar

You just had to put Chemical Zone as the first pic… Childhood horror unlocked. That music.

It was also truly novel at the time to use a secondary cartridge to enhance the first 3 games, injecting that unique echidna traversal into each one. Were there any other games that did that?

On the upside, the trailer for Mania was a real treat when it first dropped and it also got me to love Nitro Fun and Hyper Potions. I think I’ll jump back into it tomorrow 😁

youtu.be/eI4hsOTQZME

daniskarma, do games w Microsoft's real problem was never PlayStation

Who even uses steam big picture?

In my experience it has always had an horrible experience.

Also pc gaming has always been a thing.

It’s just that consoles have been harder to justify not only because pc gaming have gotten better. But because consoles have gotten worse. It’s no longer plug and play, now you have to do the same steps of installing, downloading things, checking if your version of the console can run that game… At that point big consoles are harder and harder to justify.

Sony will go behind of they don’t do some changes. Xbox fell sooner because they had a thinner base. But sony is not out of danger.

Nintendo is probably fine as they rotated to handhelds, which are a different niche than normal pcs. And because they hold massive exclusive IPs.

atomicpoet,

I use Steam Big Picture.

Specifically, I have a desktop PC, with an RTX 3090, hooked up to my TV.

Now I don’t recommend doing it this way anymore. It’s probably better to buy something like a Legion Go, hook it up to an eGPU, while you dock it to a TV.

But probably your bigger question is, “Why do I use Steam Big Picture?”

Because I specifically want to play PC games on my TV. Half my Steam library natively supports gamepad. And of those that don’t, I can easily adapt keyboard controls to a gamepad—if community-built options have not yet been made.

Truly, Steam is what Xbox should have been.

Sylvartas,

Pretty sure Big Picture uses the exact same interface as the steam deck nowadays, which is a much better experience than the old thing. At least when I stream through Moonlight, I haven’t manually launched big picture in years.

XiberKernel,

When was the last time you used Big Picture? I have a micro ITX build hooked up to my TV running Bazzite desktop, and have Big Picture loading at boot.

It’s a console. And it’s fantastic. It also lets me mod it so I can make it look like a Wii U if I wanted.

daniskarma,

Last year. It still had a lot of lag moving around in my machine.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

been using Big Picture for years. it’s a better experience than the ad-riddled UIs of the xbox and playstation.

B0NK3RS, do games w Microsoft's real problem was never PlayStation
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not Valve/Steam killing Xbox. Microsoft is killing Xbox.

YiddishMcSquidish, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #22

Idk what could be causing it, but this post is making my phone run at like 3 fps.

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

You must be using Boost?

For some reason that app struggles with too many images / GIFs

Once long back the dev was made aware of that issue and had a fix, but…I suppose its broken again for this?

You can use any other app, or just the browser if that helps? Sorry to hear its still a problem

YiddishMcSquidish,

Spot fucking on! Don’t know how to access the Fediverse on Android in any other way.

filcuk,

This post made me switch to Voyager

Peffse, do games w Microsoft's real problem was never PlayStation

I feel like Microsoft was their own enemy. They kept slicing off small portions of their market in pursuit of vendor lock-in. Now there is nobody left supporting them.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

They ran off even their most loyal players one by one with their asinine moves. Lame games, vendor lockin, nickle and dining.

I was die hard for Xbox. Had every one, dozens of games, more probably. Have fond memories of lan parties and friends coming over to play split screen. I remember playing through halo 3 the night it dropped into the early morning, and getting the beta from Reach.

Then they killed off split screen. And lan gaming. You had to use Xbox live to play with your friend in the room. Oh no they don’t have Xbox live. Oh no there’s an update. Now they don’t have their password. They can’t join my party. The audio doesn’t work. It became a hassle to play with people

Steam just works. And it’s a fair price

jordanlund, (edited ) do games w Microsoft's real problem was never PlayStation
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Valve really operates in a different market from Microsoft or Sony, but what hurt them was a couple of things:

  1. Repeatedly skipping Gamescom essentially told Sony “Yeah, we don’t care about Europe.” And the sales numbers show it. Sony owns Europe.
  2. No differential between console and PC. Launching the same game at the same time on PC and Xbox doesn’t incentivize people to a) buy games on Xbox or b) develop games on Xbox. Why bother if it’s on PC the same day?
  3. Focusing on digital vs. physical takes games out of stores. On a recent trip to Target they had a nice big Playstation section and a nice big Switch section. Hey? Where are the Xbox games?

neogaf.com/…/target-not-selling-physical-xbox-gam…

atomicpoet,

Crazy saying that Valve doesn’t operate in the same spot as Microsoft when Microsoft makes Windows.

Personally, I was never interested in Xbox as a PlayStation killer. Its entire appeal was that it was a consolized PC.

Then Valve went ahead and made all PCs into consoles.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Speaking of consoles here.

atomicpoet,

Yeah, and what I’m saying is that the original appeal of Xbox was that it brought a PC gaming experience to the living room.

Stuff like hard drives and online multiplayer, that was a PC thing.

Games like Halo, MechWarrior, and Fable—they were more culturally a PC thing. Then Microsoft made it a console thing.

In my opinion, what killed Xbox as a console is that PC gamers no longer felt a need to “go console”. And the only customers left for Xbox were dyed-in-the-wool console gamers.

Which you can’t really build a business off of since even in the best case scenario, consoles sell only 150M units per generation.

The Xbox One should have been a Windows box in a console shell.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I kinda had the opposite experience, I had been a PC gamer for years before the Xbox came out, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Aliens Total Conversion, Hexen, Rise of the Triad, Quake, Unreal…

By then I had kind of burned out on FPS, so when I heard about Halo I was like “I dunno… another FPS…”

Then I played a demo in the store and was like “Shut up and take my money!”

atomicpoet,

Well, Halo is an interesting story because that was supposed to be a killer game for the Mac.

I owned a Mac at the time and I was very salty that Microsoft bought Bungie, then made it the system seller for the Xbox.

But I loved Bungie so much that I was willing to make a deal with the devil just to play Halo.

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

Re 2, I was and am angry about how MS handled the Xbox exclusives. They spent the 90s making games for the pc that were great, and then the Xbox drops and the pc market is ignored for years. “just buy the console” makes no sense when I have a far superior machine right here, and when multi-player is behind a subscription. I was gifted an Xbox a few years after launch, along with Midtown Madness 3, the only game I wanted - and never gave MS a cent of my own money. I stayed on Halo 1 for years, then when Halo 2 finally dropped for the pc, I got it and enjoyed my first playthrough on my computer. My first playthrough of H3, ODST, and 4 weren’t until the MCC dropped on steam. I got Forza bundled with the Xbox, but it wasn’t until Horizon 3 released on pc that I got into it.

I fucking despise the 15-year window where MS just abandoned their loyal customers on pc to milk people with their inferior box and subscription bullshit. The smartest move they have made was re-embrace the pc as a customer base. And 8 year-old me could have told those moronic C-suites in 2001. They isolated a core customer base for short-term profits, and they have earned nothing but resentment for it.

The Xbox should have always been a product for “I don’t understand computers, but I want to play games”, while the pc should have remained a “I know what I’m doing, and I don’t need a walled garden”. MS fucked up massively, and lost out on revenue trying to force their hand for a decade+. The fact that they release on both is nothing but positive, as they get customers from both camps, and they finally are undoing a bit of the hate and resentment they caused.

PlasticExistence, do games w Microsoft's real problem was never PlayStation

Consoles live and die by their exclusives. Xbox hasn’t had the draw that Sony and Nintendo have.

Gamepass is still a good deal, but I wouldn’t buy a console for it.

a_pithy_name, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #22

I hope things get moving in a positive direction for you on the 17th. Until then, I hope your cabin can take your mind off things a bit. Looking forward to the next time you’re able to write!

LiveLM, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #22

Hope you get better soon!

theangriestbird, do gaming w The Illuminator Advert - Game Boy Accessory

The GBA SP could not arrive soon enough. Idk how the hell we survived so long on those dim ass screens. Playing outside in broad daylight was the only option.

Trainguyrom,

I found the best experience with my GBA was simply to use it in a dark room with my MadKatz purple clip light

CaptManiac, (edited ) do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #22
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Just found this post coming from Bluesky. In a sea of AI-written dreck you are a god-send. I really appreciate that you put a ton of work into the article. I will now go read your other articles. :)

Please take care of yourself and get the medical support you need. I still look forward to seeing your contributions in the future.

Edit: forgot to mention that I got Revenge of the Savage Planet SteamWorld Build from the Steam Summer Sale (so far…)

Also Sable from Epic Games. Looking forward to playing them all.

SavinDWhales, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #22

I finally caved and bought Cyberpunk from GOG, to pay on my steam deck.

Might have been better off buying the steam version (same price, I wanted to support the devs and GOG), as I find it kind of hard to get running on my deck.

Installed it with Lutris, Installer downloaded 3 hours and then never finished.

And then I noticed that phantom Liberty is a dlc and not installed by default in the ultimate edition…

Leax,

I strongly recommend you use Heroic instead, it’s way easier to install a Gog game this way

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