SNES and PSX era RPGs. It’s hard for me to sit in the same spot on the couch for turn based games with repetitive gameplay, but it feels like less of a chore when it’s just something I’m doing to pass time while lounging in bed. I’m playing through FFI pixel remaster now and really couldn’t imagine myself playing it on a TV.
The original Silent Hill games were created by an internal group within Konami called Team Silent. This team was formed by underperforming Konami staff to work on a Resident Evil competitor that Konami higher-ups wanted to underperform and give them a chance to fire said underperforming staff. Instead, they struck gold with SH1.
Team Silent suddenly had a level of fame to themselves, but they were still Konami’s red-headed stepchild. 2-4 were similarly successful, with 2 being the high point of the series.
After SH3, key staff started to depart from Konami. By the time the 5th game, Homecoming, came out, much of the original team had been replaced with those more aligned with Konami bigwigs that wanted to turn the series into a moneymaker instead of the quiet success it was built as.
An example of this is the Silent Hill HD Collection for PS3 and X360. The ‘remaster’ of SH2 and 3 was anything but. They had to make these remasters with incomplete codebases, no original staff to question, even some of the original voice acting was missing because Konami straight-up deleted the original source code.
There are those that say that SH never recovered from the gutting of Team Silent, and they tend to get louder with each entry into the series. Sometimes they have valid points, but not always.
To add to this, Team Silent members started leaving after SH3 came out primarily because when SH2 released, it wasn’t that well received compared to SH1 (this is mostly to do with the Japanese audience complaining online at the time that SH2 was not a sequel or continuation to SH1). As a result, Konami started forcing Team Silent to make changes to SH3 that Konami executives thought would make it sell and review better in Japan than SH2. In other words, Konami was taking away Team Silent’s autonomy within Konami to develop what they wanted.
Silent Hill 3 was the beginning of the downfall of the series because it was the first game in which the original developer’s vision for the game was edited by Konami executives. This would sadly become a recurring theme for every Silent Hill game released thereafter. Silent Hill 3 was never supposed to feature the cult from Silent Hill 1. Heather was not supposed to be Cheryl. The hospital was not supposed to be reused from SH2, and was only done so because the developers were running out of time.
What’s worse, except for Akira Yamaoka, the original series composer, Homecoming did not have any original Team Silent staff working on it because it was outsourced to an external, Western development studio. Not one member of Team Silent was credited in the game except for Akira Yamaoka, they weren’t even mentioned in the “Special Thanks” portion of Homecoming’s credits.
I played for about two months when it first came out and LOVED IT, however I’m a busy adult, I choose to spend time with my wife and doing my part around the house, so climbing the tower seemed out of reach. This definitely makes me excited to give it another go when I get a soke free time (which is rare but it happens lol)
Haven’t seen any complaints about F, but the SH2 remake was made by a studio with a spotty record, they made some unnecessary changes, and it still has traversal stutter.
I admit I do not prefer the remake over the original, but that’s mostly because I would rather see new original things than to milk pre-existing material which didn’t age that badly. Also, as you mentionet, silent hill f isn’t being developed by bloober team! If anything, that’s something to look forward to if one didn’t like the remake.
Woo, time to see how many gooners are actually on lemmy.
The modern “video game essay” format came out of people on the Something Awful forums who were REALLY into Silent Hill. It was Japanese style horror in a Western setting with a lot of fairly heavy themes and implications so it was the perfect confluence of weebing out and “it is dark so it is deep” level discourse. And what started as people writing thousands of word arguments for what the shovel being at an 80 degree angle in that shed meant became people making 60 minute youtubes on what it meant that Heather ALSO saw the titty nurses and how it represents her repressed lesbian urges. And 3 hour videos about Pyramid Head that would make even Freud roll his eyes.
And… basically all of the later Silent Hill games REALLY sucked. The Room has its defenders but pretty much everything after that is universally panned and with good reason. Up until last year-ish with the remake of 2.
Which was a different kind of shitstorm. Because now you had all these essayists who were The Keepers Of Silent Hill lore (one of the most famous ones wrote her master’s thesis on SH2 I want to say?) seeing the greatest of the games being remade. And by fucking Bloober team? Pretty much every essayist had keyed in that Bloober have some very questionable themes in some of their games. Uhm… trigger warnings but
spoilerBloober at least used to really like the trope of “The only way to stop this great evil infecting you is to kill yourself and it with you” and “They were a victim of abuse and should be pitied even as they perpetuated the cycle”. That are both, fairly unarguably, shitty mindsets but are also horror tropes going back literally centuries
So it was the mix of “This is MY game and MY story and how dare they change it” combined with “Also they picked the bogeymen that I hated on so hard last year that I could buy a car”.
And then… Bloober kind of made a masterpiece? Like, most of their changes are fairly loved/appreciated and everyone but the most hardcore of the SH2 Video Essayists loved it.
But now we have Silent Hill f that very much DOES feel like a cash in and a way to make a Fatal Frame but with a more marketable IP. But also… Fatal Frame fucked hard?
Either way? The most important thing ever is to never stop saying that Silent Hill (the town) is really smokey because it was built on top of a coal mine that caught fire and has been smouldering for decades. That is some real Silent Hill fan lore that not many people know but is really cool to share.
Nah. Modern day gooners are all based on how Arsenal fans just can’t stop touching themselves. Like, if you ever go to a game there is an entire section dedicated towards group edging.
In all seriousness, I have no idea what the actual origins of “gooning==masturbation” is. But the word “goon” mostly just is a synonym for thug or henchman. So a lot of groups used it because they are the bogeymen and blah blah blah.
For SH2, I think it was specifically because Bloober Team was working on it. They had a mixed or spotty track record before this release, so people were worried, they’d mess up the remake for a beloved game.
I think Konami also kinda “left” video game development for a time, focusing more on Pachinko machines, their health clubs, etc. So this, along with some of their previous choices, meant they didn’t really have the best reputation (and still haven’t), and people didn’t know if it was just going to be a lazy cash grab.
Silent Hill f I don’t really know what people are saying, and I haven’t looked, but I can only guess that anti-woke mob is going after the game, because you’re playing as a girl/woman, which is of course DEI, forced diversity, woke, whatever, I dunno.
Probably because Konami has been pooping the bed when it comes to the franchise ever since Silent Hill 2. The last hint of anything remotely good to come out from them was the Playable Teaser over 10 years ago and of course they fucked that up too.
Why do we still attention to tiny loud minority of Gamers^TM^ who whinge about “go woke go broke” and yet these still games sell like hotcakes? Just tell them that if they don’t like the game, then don’t buy the game.
I prefer to clown on them relentlessly and let them be aware that everyone thinks their opinion is stupid and childish
Allowing this to go unchecked or ignored is how we got here in the first place. “Just ignore the trolls” led to the trolls having actual societal inertia. It is no longer enough to just ignore them, they need pushback.
I don’t disagree. If they troll, troll them back harder. But the way the mainstream act is that these toxic Gamers^TM^ opinions have weight, when in reality their toxic views don’t even make a dent to popular opinions and sales of game developers.
Tbh, I’m not even sure where most people get exposed to these whiny gamers. Maybe I’m just lucky that the places I spend time on online and offline don’t overlap much with these weirdly conservative gamers who seem to forget that the moral panic conservatives tried to use to ban games they love.
I’ve noticed a lot of things liberals bag on conservatives for are things they don’t say IRL. The converse is true! We pick the most outrageous statements and say, “SEE! That’s what they’re all like!”
Literally I’ve talked to people like this. Usually when I was younger, but people aren’t known for growing up. And then there are Facebook comments that are just horrendous cesspools. Also the fact that 99% of conservative politicians are openly homophobic/sexist/etc. and that never seems to disqualify or register with their base and actually improves their chances.
No, many conservatives say some pretty awful shit on the regular and you’re either lying or ignorant.
A lot of Facebook comments are filled with these people. Every once in a while I’ll go there and see an onslaught of people whining about it but generally I keep to saner places. Hell, a woman goes anywhere near a lead role and someone like Ben Shapiro, who has plenty of loyal followers, is right there to bitch and moan about it.
There are plenty of these people around, and I remember even in person when I was younger hearing about people whine about a single gay cahracter in a movie so it is not surprising at all.
You know, I dont mind you saying “maga”. But I cant get on board with “conservatives”. They arent all one thing, any more than democrats are. In fact, you cant even say “maga” as a lot of them still want to see the Epstein files. Maybe just say “cunts” :)
Maga can still want to see the Epstein files. Conservatives I’m just so fucking tired of because there is no amount of evidence you can show them that will convince them that their backwards ideology is wrong. It all hinges on hyper-individualistic nonsense based on not sharing, and the entire ideology was created by people who believed that poor people were dirty and they did it because they didn’t like that the parasitic monarchs where being treated how they deserved.
A grown adult screaming about low taxes on the rich and throwing in with people who consistently want to strip people of their basic human rights is not a serious person. “I like gay people though!” well you keep voting for homophobes and giving them power so piss off. The internet is a thing, there’s no excuse anymore, and I’m done with these unserious jokers who can’t read or do basic math enough to know that none of their ideas work at any level.
Its fine to disagree with people. Dems and republicans for decades, disagreed, but respected the system. And just got on with it. Look at the state of it now? Neither of you trusts the system. You are both locked into this social media driven culture war, to the point that if you dont win an election, you call it rigged. The MAGAtards went further, raiding the capital and seemingly some were ready to kidnap and kill. But in general, republicans arent like that. They have different values to you, thats true. But they also believe that in the end, you are all Americans. MAGA isnt that.
Think about the time that old biddy started talking shit about Obama to John McCain, and he shot it down quick as fuck. He wouldnt allow his own supporters to lie about the content of Obamas character. THAT is your general Republican. Not MAGA chuds.
You can talk to a republican, maybe even see eye to eye on some issues. You can have an informed debate. You can have that with MAGA. All you get is lies and screaming. And the danger is, if you keep on confusing the two, you end up forcing them together and then you do have one big raging group of cunts. And no one wants that.
The system is literally designed to be a problem, and the “culture war” is entirely conservatives trying to strip people’s rights away and getting mad when minorities exist. We literally know that Russia helped Trump to win and Trumps claims were complete nonsense.
One day maybe you will figure it out, but the conservative ideology is a dead-end designed to try to convince the peasantry that what the nobles are doing is fine and normal and is the natural way of things. And if they claim to be nice but keep voting in terrible people they “don’t fully agree with” just so they can pay less tax then I really, honestly, do not fucking care.
No, the culture war is YOU. Look at what youre doing. “Its them, its all them being horrible to buzzword!”. Its not true. It was never true. Its just the excuse people use to justify dog shit.
Like tv shows that dont land with the audience. All the cave brained cunts in the world run to social media to decry the chuds who got it cancelled. But how? How would the chuds not watching it, get it cancelled? Its not like they are the target audience, so why is no one on the supposed left watching this shit? Its being made for them. Like the Acolyte. For some reason we are supposed to believe that youtube grifters like the critical drinker and nerdrotic convinced 153 million households around the world not to watch a great show, just because there was a black girl in it. Its just not possible.
This is the culture wars. Marvel, star wars, star trek, lord of the rings, the witcher, etc etc etc. They abandoned the core audience for those things, and then all started crying “racist, sexist, homophobe!” when they all stopped watching. And this has bled into American politics. And because those in Hollywood are pushing this shit, and calling people awful fucking names, while at the same time taking money to support democrats, the general audience is associating dems with hollywood cunts. Kamala didnt even push any “woke” stuff. She was basically pushing old style Republican stability. She was the PERFECT republican nominee. But no one wanted her, because of that association with hollywood.
The cultures need to end. We need to stop calling stuff woke or not woke, and go back to good or bad. We need to stop pretending that the only reason to like or dislike something is because its got minorities in it. And stop freaking out when theres a white girl on tv selling shitty jeans.
Hahahahahaha yea sure buddy the culture war is the people who are finally standing up for themselves against the onslaught of racists and homophobes and definitely not mega rich conservatives constantly inciting violence against others in order to distract from their theft of wealth from the working class. Man, you were at least margainally serious before but if you’re more mad that people are standing up for themselves than you are that peoppe need to stand up for themselves then you’ve lost it, bud.
And people were not mad about “a white girl selling shitty jeans”. It was a fucking Aryan looking woman under the words “good genes” in a time where white supremacy is going hog-fucking-wild in the US and they’re mirroring Nazi Germany in disturbingly close and obvious ways. There are literally people trying to create whites-only communities and, newsflash, those people are conservatives.
No it isnt. Its for the perpetually online, to use social justice issues for their own self serving reasons. Worthless internet points at best, clout and money at worst.
So I’m bad for focusing on the hate that is right be very publicly pushed and even baked into legislation in many places and that makes me the same as the people who are screaming about made up nonsense and using that as justification for even physical violence against minorities?
You’re not being “reasonable” just because you don’t have the spine for a strong position. All you want is for everyone to stop being loud, regardless of the context, and that’s nothing.
Saying “everyone is the problem actually” is not enlightened, it’s just an easy answer. There is so much history and context that is missing from that position. It’s nearly the same energy as saying that Ukraine has equal or near equal guilt in the war it is currently a part of despite the fact that it was minding its own business before it was invaded for “reasons”.
Minorities have spent so goddamn long being told they can’t have a damn thing in the US and every single thing they do have has come with a fight. Hell the working class in general couldn’t get a 40hr work week without literal bloodshed. A little black girl, who’s still alive today because it wasn’t long enough ago, needed an escort to go to school because of how pissed white conservatives were that she was going to be attending a school with white kids. Straight people make all kinds of shitty movies but an all female Ghost Busters isn’t perfect and people blame the gender of the cast and call it “pandering” because they finally weren’t the target audience this time and they can’t let it go.
I remember thinking similar things around ~20 years old and then I actually started learning things and meeting these people, not just in passing but as my friends, and shit changed quick.
No one is. But we are all exposed to people moaning about them, while looking for upvotes…
All I ever see is an ocean of positive comments everywhere. And the moaning is always, like the person youre replying to. Using buzzwords and positive message to get up arrows… Like they matter at all.
I dunno, most games the sexuality of the protagonist is completely irrelevant, and in those cases id tell both sides to stop whining or just play a different game
I’m not seeing the double standard there. Their overall stance sounds like they don’t gaf about anyone complaining about the sexuality of characters in video games because it’s often completely irrelevant to the game itself.
Or did I misunderstand and you mean that since they didn’t call out people complaining about a lack of gay representation they shouldn’t call out everyone complaining now that the complaints go both ways?
If you sleep through all the romantic subplots of the last 40 years of RPGs, but you wake up offended when you discover that Ellie and Riley Kiss at the end of The Last of Us: Left Behind, you’re working from a double standard.
you mean that since they didn’t call out people complaining about a lack of gay representation they shouldn’t call out everyone complaining now that the complaints go both ways?
It just wasn’t clear what the “this” in the comment I replied to was referring to, the OP or the comment it replied to. My own comment assumed it was saying thr comment it replied to had the double standard, but I see now that it might have been agreeing with that comment’s sentiment but saying the OP was about a double standard.
No one gave a fuck about Ellie and Riley kissing in 2014. It wasnt until after the culture wars started that it became a thing. Im still not even sure it is a thing, since everyone was saying that not liking part 2 was only because you dont like “the gayz”. Which is bullshit. The fans of the game, knew for 6 years that Ellie was gay, and that she was going to be the only playable character(which turned out to be bullshit), and everyone was still looking forward to it.
Then the leaks happened, and all of sudden half the fans are bigots…
I’m in a perspective of hoping for more romantic subplots of any kind. I never played through any generation of RPGs that made those popular, and when they were there, they were hastily written in, or just optional.
It’s why I’m excited for a certain JRPG remake that puts one such relation (between a guy and a girl) front and center, so much so that it becomes a driving element of the story. Those who know, know I suppose.
One thing that helps in its case is, it doesn’t advertise on the box “Romance 1-1000 characters!!” IMO, a good romantic plot sneaks up on you after you’ve invested in the characters.
It’s why I’m excited for a certain JRPG remake that puts one such relation (between a guy and a girl) front and center, so much so that it becomes a driving element of the story.
Are we talking about FF7 or something else?
IMO, a good romantic plot sneaks up on you after you’ve invested in the characters.
Honestly, I suppose FF7 is another great example, but I was thinking of the Trails in the Sky remake due out in a month or two.
Sorry if that’s a vague spoiler. It wasn’t even something I knew about the game playing through, but the slow-impact delivery of it worked fantastically.
I’m calling it out right now because someone posted a meme and I’m replying to that post. I am not against more representation in video games, and I find people who whine about it to be annoying children.
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