For SH2, I think it was specifically because Bloober Team was working on it. They had a mixed or spotty track record before this release, so people were worried, they’d mess up the remake for a beloved game.
I think Konami also kinda “left” video game development for a time, focusing more on Pachinko machines, their health clubs, etc. So this, along with some of their previous choices, meant they didn’t really have the best reputation (and still haven’t), and people didn’t know if it was just going to be a lazy cash grab.
Silent Hill f I don’t really know what people are saying, and I haven’t looked, but I can only guess that anti-woke mob is going after the game, because you’re playing as a girl/woman, which is of course DEI, forced diversity, woke, whatever, I dunno.
Probably because Konami has been pooping the bed when it comes to the franchise ever since Silent Hill 2. The last hint of anything remotely good to come out from them was the Playable Teaser over 10 years ago and of course they fucked that up too.
Why do we still attention to tiny loud minority of Gamers^TM^ who whinge about “go woke go broke” and yet these still games sell like hotcakes? Just tell them that if they don’t like the game, then don’t buy the game.
I prefer to clown on them relentlessly and let them be aware that everyone thinks their opinion is stupid and childish
Allowing this to go unchecked or ignored is how we got here in the first place. “Just ignore the trolls” led to the trolls having actual societal inertia. It is no longer enough to just ignore them, they need pushback.
I don’t disagree. If they troll, troll them back harder. But the way the mainstream act is that these toxic Gamers^TM^ opinions have weight, when in reality their toxic views don’t even make a dent to popular opinions and sales of game developers.
Tbh, I’m not even sure where most people get exposed to these whiny gamers. Maybe I’m just lucky that the places I spend time on online and offline don’t overlap much with these weirdly conservative gamers who seem to forget that the moral panic conservatives tried to use to ban games they love.
I’ve noticed a lot of things liberals bag on conservatives for are things they don’t say IRL. The converse is true! We pick the most outrageous statements and say, “SEE! That’s what they’re all like!”
Literally I’ve talked to people like this. Usually when I was younger, but people aren’t known for growing up. And then there are Facebook comments that are just horrendous cesspools. Also the fact that 99% of conservative politicians are openly homophobic/sexist/etc. and that never seems to disqualify or register with their base and actually improves their chances.
No, many conservatives say some pretty awful shit on the regular and you’re either lying or ignorant.
A lot of Facebook comments are filled with these people. Every once in a while I’ll go there and see an onslaught of people whining about it but generally I keep to saner places. Hell, a woman goes anywhere near a lead role and someone like Ben Shapiro, who has plenty of loyal followers, is right there to bitch and moan about it.
There are plenty of these people around, and I remember even in person when I was younger hearing about people whine about a single gay cahracter in a movie so it is not surprising at all.
You know, I dont mind you saying “maga”. But I cant get on board with “conservatives”. They arent all one thing, any more than democrats are. In fact, you cant even say “maga” as a lot of them still want to see the Epstein files. Maybe just say “cunts” :)
Maga can still want to see the Epstein files. Conservatives I’m just so fucking tired of because there is no amount of evidence you can show them that will convince them that their backwards ideology is wrong. It all hinges on hyper-individualistic nonsense based on not sharing, and the entire ideology was created by people who believed that poor people were dirty and they did it because they didn’t like that the parasitic monarchs where being treated how they deserved.
A grown adult screaming about low taxes on the rich and throwing in with people who consistently want to strip people of their basic human rights is not a serious person. “I like gay people though!” well you keep voting for homophobes and giving them power so piss off. The internet is a thing, there’s no excuse anymore, and I’m done with these unserious jokers who can’t read or do basic math enough to know that none of their ideas work at any level.
Its fine to disagree with people. Dems and republicans for decades, disagreed, but respected the system. And just got on with it. Look at the state of it now? Neither of you trusts the system. You are both locked into this social media driven culture war, to the point that if you dont win an election, you call it rigged. The MAGAtards went further, raiding the capital and seemingly some were ready to kidnap and kill. But in general, republicans arent like that. They have different values to you, thats true. But they also believe that in the end, you are all Americans. MAGA isnt that.
Think about the time that old biddy started talking shit about Obama to John McCain, and he shot it down quick as fuck. He wouldnt allow his own supporters to lie about the content of Obamas character. THAT is your general Republican. Not MAGA chuds.
You can talk to a republican, maybe even see eye to eye on some issues. You can have an informed debate. You can have that with MAGA. All you get is lies and screaming. And the danger is, if you keep on confusing the two, you end up forcing them together and then you do have one big raging group of cunts. And no one wants that.
The system is literally designed to be a problem, and the “culture war” is entirely conservatives trying to strip people’s rights away and getting mad when minorities exist. We literally know that Russia helped Trump to win and Trumps claims were complete nonsense.
One day maybe you will figure it out, but the conservative ideology is a dead-end designed to try to convince the peasantry that what the nobles are doing is fine and normal and is the natural way of things. And if they claim to be nice but keep voting in terrible people they “don’t fully agree with” just so they can pay less tax then I really, honestly, do not fucking care.
No, the culture war is YOU. Look at what youre doing. “Its them, its all them being horrible to buzzword!”. Its not true. It was never true. Its just the excuse people use to justify dog shit.
Like tv shows that dont land with the audience. All the cave brained cunts in the world run to social media to decry the chuds who got it cancelled. But how? How would the chuds not watching it, get it cancelled? Its not like they are the target audience, so why is no one on the supposed left watching this shit? Its being made for them. Like the Acolyte. For some reason we are supposed to believe that youtube grifters like the critical drinker and nerdrotic convinced 153 million households around the world not to watch a great show, just because there was a black girl in it. Its just not possible.
This is the culture wars. Marvel, star wars, star trek, lord of the rings, the witcher, etc etc etc. They abandoned the core audience for those things, and then all started crying “racist, sexist, homophobe!” when they all stopped watching. And this has bled into American politics. And because those in Hollywood are pushing this shit, and calling people awful fucking names, while at the same time taking money to support democrats, the general audience is associating dems with hollywood cunts. Kamala didnt even push any “woke” stuff. She was basically pushing old style Republican stability. She was the PERFECT republican nominee. But no one wanted her, because of that association with hollywood.
The cultures need to end. We need to stop calling stuff woke or not woke, and go back to good or bad. We need to stop pretending that the only reason to like or dislike something is because its got minorities in it. And stop freaking out when theres a white girl on tv selling shitty jeans.
Hahahahahaha yea sure buddy the culture war is the people who are finally standing up for themselves against the onslaught of racists and homophobes and definitely not mega rich conservatives constantly inciting violence against others in order to distract from their theft of wealth from the working class. Man, you were at least margainally serious before but if you’re more mad that people are standing up for themselves than you are that peoppe need to stand up for themselves then you’ve lost it, bud.
And people were not mad about “a white girl selling shitty jeans”. It was a fucking Aryan looking woman under the words “good genes” in a time where white supremacy is going hog-fucking-wild in the US and they’re mirroring Nazi Germany in disturbingly close and obvious ways. There are literally people trying to create whites-only communities and, newsflash, those people are conservatives.
No it isnt. Its for the perpetually online, to use social justice issues for their own self serving reasons. Worthless internet points at best, clout and money at worst.
So I’m bad for focusing on the hate that is right be very publicly pushed and even baked into legislation in many places and that makes me the same as the people who are screaming about made up nonsense and using that as justification for even physical violence against minorities?
You’re not being “reasonable” just because you don’t have the spine for a strong position. All you want is for everyone to stop being loud, regardless of the context, and that’s nothing.
Saying “everyone is the problem actually” is not enlightened, it’s just an easy answer. There is so much history and context that is missing from that position. It’s nearly the same energy as saying that Ukraine has equal or near equal guilt in the war it is currently a part of despite the fact that it was minding its own business before it was invaded for “reasons”.
Minorities have spent so goddamn long being told they can’t have a damn thing in the US and every single thing they do have has come with a fight. Hell the working class in general couldn’t get a 40hr work week without literal bloodshed. A little black girl, who’s still alive today because it wasn’t long enough ago, needed an escort to go to school because of how pissed white conservatives were that she was going to be attending a school with white kids. Straight people make all kinds of shitty movies but an all female Ghost Busters isn’t perfect and people blame the gender of the cast and call it “pandering” because they finally weren’t the target audience this time and they can’t let it go.
I remember thinking similar things around ~20 years old and then I actually started learning things and meeting these people, not just in passing but as my friends, and shit changed quick.
No one is. But we are all exposed to people moaning about them, while looking for upvotes…
All I ever see is an ocean of positive comments everywhere. And the moaning is always, like the person youre replying to. Using buzzwords and positive message to get up arrows… Like they matter at all.
I dunno, most games the sexuality of the protagonist is completely irrelevant, and in those cases id tell both sides to stop whining or just play a different game
I’m not seeing the double standard there. Their overall stance sounds like they don’t gaf about anyone complaining about the sexuality of characters in video games because it’s often completely irrelevant to the game itself.
Or did I misunderstand and you mean that since they didn’t call out people complaining about a lack of gay representation they shouldn’t call out everyone complaining now that the complaints go both ways?
If you sleep through all the romantic subplots of the last 40 years of RPGs, but you wake up offended when you discover that Ellie and Riley Kiss at the end of The Last of Us: Left Behind, you’re working from a double standard.
you mean that since they didn’t call out people complaining about a lack of gay representation they shouldn’t call out everyone complaining now that the complaints go both ways?
It just wasn’t clear what the “this” in the comment I replied to was referring to, the OP or the comment it replied to. My own comment assumed it was saying thr comment it replied to had the double standard, but I see now that it might have been agreeing with that comment’s sentiment but saying the OP was about a double standard.
No one gave a fuck about Ellie and Riley kissing in 2014. It wasnt until after the culture wars started that it became a thing. Im still not even sure it is a thing, since everyone was saying that not liking part 2 was only because you dont like “the gayz”. Which is bullshit. The fans of the game, knew for 6 years that Ellie was gay, and that she was going to be the only playable character(which turned out to be bullshit), and everyone was still looking forward to it.
Then the leaks happened, and all of sudden half the fans are bigots…
I’m in a perspective of hoping for more romantic subplots of any kind. I never played through any generation of RPGs that made those popular, and when they were there, they were hastily written in, or just optional.
It’s why I’m excited for a certain JRPG remake that puts one such relation (between a guy and a girl) front and center, so much so that it becomes a driving element of the story. Those who know, know I suppose.
One thing that helps in its case is, it doesn’t advertise on the box “Romance 1-1000 characters!!” IMO, a good romantic plot sneaks up on you after you’ve invested in the characters.
It’s why I’m excited for a certain JRPG remake that puts one such relation (between a guy and a girl) front and center, so much so that it becomes a driving element of the story.
Are we talking about FF7 or something else?
IMO, a good romantic plot sneaks up on you after you’ve invested in the characters.
Honestly, I suppose FF7 is another great example, but I was thinking of the Trails in the Sky remake due out in a month or two.
Sorry if that’s a vague spoiler. It wasn’t even something I knew about the game playing through, but the slow-impact delivery of it worked fantastically.
I’m calling it out right now because someone posted a meme and I’m replying to that post. I am not against more representation in video games, and I find people who whine about it to be annoying children.
You’re ok with pretending to be someone you’re not in every other game you play. You’re definitely not a hero, veteran, combat expert, scientist, alien, or machine, so why do you play those games?
I mean… I won’t willingly choose a female character to play as because of a bit of (what my trans roommate said was effectively) gender dysphoria. So like in Cyberpunk if I play the female V I feel weird because I have a harder time RPing a female character than a male character for some dumb little gaybrain reason. However I don’t need to RP Lara Croft… she just… is. Same with Aloy in Horizon. I couldn’t give less of a tittering fuck playing as those characters and actively enjoy it.
Saying “Nah women icky” and refusing to play ANY is just fucking weird dude
I remember playing the first game when it was released in the Orange Box. I want to say I made it through at least halfway before realizing the player character was a woman. Not that it really makes any difference in the scope of the game, but they did a great job at presenting her as just another faceless silent protagonist.
I went through it pretty quickly the first time. Saw the orange jumpsuit and assumed small framed man. Most games back then either let you know that you would be playing a woman on the box art or allowed for character customization and was probably an RPG.
It was a welcome change from playing the archetypical dude all the time.
“Bro, I’m basically the same as Batman or Master Chief. I could be a medieval fantasy wizard or a cyborg assassin, because I know they have a dick and balls in there. But a woman? That’s too far man.”
I almost never pick female character options in games for this reason. I’m not a woman. I am the main character, I don’t want to “be” a woman.
…but games where you don’t pick? Who gives a fuck, man lol. Do you not watch movies with female leads?? I am not the main character in those games, I am experiencing someone else’s story.
you’re not pretending to be. you’re playing another character.
wait, what is an “interior” quality? so do you only play characters that have—or more likely lack—the same facial hair that you do?
do you have a six pack? cause a lot of game characters do and i don’t think you should play them unless you can cut glass with your abs.
what about hair and eye color? surely you don’t pretend to have different color hair, that’s disgusting; women do that eww very feminine energy.
and of course playing any superhero, magic character, any fantasy race or scifi species … all out of the question, clearly all of them exterior qualities.
I’m assuming—nay, concluding all of this because surely you’re the kind of guy who has consistent principles and this isn’t simply a case of making up a dumb excuse to sound barely more sophisticated than “but girls have cooties”
I’m curious, do you feel you have an inability to think about things from other perspectives in any other part of your daily life? Is abstract thought a challenge for you?
This is an unusual take in my opinion, if you’re being serious of course. Video games are all about pretending. I’m not a serial killer, but I’ve played one. I’m not a taxi driver, but I’ve played one. I’m not a plumber, but I’ve played one. It’s pretty odd to say “I can’t play Spyro because I’m simply not a dragon.”
A lot of folks that have been Satisfactory fans for years are just now realizing the PC is not only female, but also robustly so. And they’re starting to complain about it.
Depends on the game. Many games let you create a custom character and the character is defined by their actions.
Some games have zero character to the character you control.
Some are story based with strong characters where it isn’t about the player, sure, but those are less common than the ones that allow the player to either self insert or play a one dimensional archetype character.
Do people really complain about playing as a lesbian? That’s like double the tits.
I did hear whining about having to play as a trans character though, despite the fact that you don’t. I can only imagine those people never played it and were just “hur dur big arms = man”.
Do people really complain about playing as a lesbian? That’s like double the tits.
Alright, I doubt you were going in this direction, but I’m going to rant anyway.
As guy, I’ve been sick and tired of male fetishization of lesbians in media for years. It’s creepy. They are not interested in you. Stop acting like you’re going to be the one to convert them into being bi. You aren’t.
Thank the stars that media is (slowly) growing out of this stereotype, because it’s not funny anymore, if was ever funny.
/ Rant over
Anyways, sorry to dump on your comment. It’s (hopefully) not directed at you. It just needs to be said somewhere
The Last of Us Part II was the subject of review bombing on Metacritic, resulting in a user review score of 3.4/10 at its nadir.[129][130] Reporters noticed the review bombing occurred shortly after the game launched—too early for users to feasibly have finished it;[131] some suggested that the reviews were based on the incomplete plot leaks.[102][130] Many negative reviews criticized the characterization and plot;[129][131] some complained of “social justice warrior” politics, with vitriolic responses to LGBT characters
Edit: it’s optional, yet people still complain about it. I’ve even seen a forum post of someone who gleefully explained that he murdered an NPC because that NPC is canonically gay
It’s not “trying to convince”, it’s a joke. A bit of a tasteless one that should stay in egg_irl, but still a joke. And it sounds nothing like LLM output.
Hi, I spent a few years unpacking those feelings to figure out that I like crossdressing more than I like being the gender opposite my birth. One of the things that made it more confusing in the beginning was the slew of internet comments I would read reinforcing that any gender nonconforming activity was a sure sign I was trans.
If you know the person irl and they consistently show signs of being trans I think it’s good to ask probing questions that may lead them there, but I don’t think it’s right to tell them who they are. Better for them to figure it out themselves. On the internet you definitely don’t know the person beyond a single post, or a few posts coming from their online persona (not their personal self). This means you have even less right to tell them who they are.
Especially with the TM I took your initial comment as a joke, which I don’t find super funny anymore personally but can give a half smile and single roll of the eyes. Your edit about people unpacking their feelings implies to me that you were saying it in earnest though, which is where I start to have a problem for the reasons above. Just in case you want some insight on why you may be downvoted so much.
Yeah, no. You don’t have to try to make everything into more than it is. I’d be perfectly fine being trans. No hard feelings. I’m not though, but I sometimes play female characters because I prefer looking at them. It’s not more than that.
I’ve been playing through Death Stranding 2 and Is This Seat Taken? as well!
I’ve also been dipping in a little to the new stuff in Monster Hunter: Wilds and setting up a ton of emulation on my brand new Steam Deck; I went from being excited to have the new machine to overwhelming myself pretty quickly!
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