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Cyberflunk, do games w Anomancy The Book

I see you Zhuang.

EldenLord, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

We got GoonerGate before the release of the Epstein files

Zexks, (edited ) do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

Hmmm. Could porn once again become the medium catalyst for bitcoin to take off.

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Bronzebeard, do gaming w 1v1 me. In Pong!

You probably won’t. I started consistently beating my dad in Duke nukem and quake 3 matches when I was like 10. To the point where he even tried using wall hacks. Didn’t help.

Albbi,

Those games need twitch god reflexes, but maybe your Dad just isn’t good at them? I wonder how I’d do nowadays. I was alright in the couple of Duke Nukem 3D tournaments we had. Tough to get better when you had to make your modem call your friend to establish a connection for multiplayer though.

bbsm3678, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

I find it funny that a lot of the fediverse is anti-cryptocurrency, yet this is a perfect example of a problem cryptocurrency can solve. No one can stop you from transacting on a number of blockchains.

flamingos,

Too bad cryptobros are more interested in using it as a speculative investment/scam machine than an actual currency.

mad_lentil,

Yeah the wild swings in exchange value instantly preclude its use as a currency.

bbsm3678,

Yes you are right, there are always grifters everywhere, unfortunately.

Mk23simp,

In theory, crypto could be good for this, but crypto is used (and designed) more as an investment than a transaction tool.

Also, the issue here is not centralized currency under a government, it’s centralized payment processing under monopolistic private companies. Crypto is not required to solve that, all that is needed is an alternative payment processor (in an ideal world, probably a public one run by that government, since in a modern world that seems like an essential service to me).

FishFace,

It’s a good point, but a payment processor run by the government would also be under pressure (from voters) to wield its power to suppress marginal content.

Imagine a US-government-run payment processor right now - it would be blocking anyone that sells anything “woke” or “DEI”.

Mk23simp,

I am a strong believer in democracy. I don’t think that the answer to a bad government is to reduce the power of the government, because that power will inevitably go to undemocratic institutions. Only the government is accountable to the people. So even when the government is currently controlled by people I dislike, I still want more things to be brought under the power of the government rather than privatized.

The answer to bad government actions, in my view, is to fight for a more democratic government, and zealously advocate for good ideas among the voting population.

FishFace,

Yeah, that’s a good point. I guess in light of that what I would say is that, if you are going to have a state-run payment processor, you need to build in a) pluralism (enable and encourage multiple processors) and b) legal protections (legally guarantee that the payment processor has a limited remit in terms of allowing all payments unless instructed to block them by a court order) which would help mitigate or slow down anti-democratic backsliding.

Adalast,

Honestly, I am OK with payment processors being privatized, they always have been. What needs to happen is regulatory legislation that restricts the grounds on which a financial institution can reject a transaction to strictly what violates interstate commerce law.

Mk23simp,

Just because they always have been doesn’t mean it’s good. It’s definitely not good for private companies to have monopoly power like that. That power will only be used for their gain (and our collective loss).

Adalast,

Fair enough. I guess I am just so used to the way things are I struggle to see how a government payment processor works without running the risk of police overreach. I do understand that long standing agencies like the IRS and DoE do a good job of fending off advances of police trying to illegally obtain private info, but a new agency or new power for an agency wherein they have access to the exact purchase data of every transaction done using anything other than cash gives me strong pause. It would be trivial to put it under the executive branch and put in there that if someone uses it they waive their 4th Amendment rights in such a way that it is not unconstitutional. The police state already wants to push us towards a cashless society because getting the information is already borderline too easy and there are privacy laws in place to supposedly protect us from such intrusion. Taking out the middle man means I have to trust some department head who is probably a political appointee, and we all see how well that can go.

Rock meet hard place.

Zetta,

True, but crypto is used very successfully all the time to purchase things online. Now just because most of those transactions are for drugs doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, steam should start accepting monero, the only truly secure and private crypto currency.

Cocodapuf,

They do accept Bitcoin, so that’s something.

Cocodapuf,

In theory, crypto could be good for this, but crypto is used (and designed) more as an investment than a transaction tool.

I would argue that while crypto is as investment now, it was initially designed and intended to be used for transactions.

Out of curiosity though, why do you think this situation would be any different if it were government controlled? Especially considering that you sometimes have administrations like Trump’s, which would do anything no matter how corrupt.

Mk23simp,

If it were government controlled, it would be accountable to the people, to the extent that the government is democratic (ideally, much more than it is now), and would also be run as a service rather than for profit.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Monero

SaharaMaleikuhm,

Crypto is so heavily regulated now, I don’t even know how to procure any cause all the sites I have used years ago are just dead now.

bbsm3678,

In KYC systems it is really easy to acquire—companies are willing to sell it to you with no problems.

If you want to get it anonymously, the easiest would probably be to buy via cash. In Switzerland, you can buy via some atms

lazynooblet,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

If you are in the UK, here is one.

bittylicious.com

americanzgenozida,

Couldn’t you just masturbate the normal way?

trashgirlfriend,
Rolder,

It’s more fun when it’s freaky

chiliedogg,

If it was used as an actual currency instead of an investment vehicle for speculators, that would help.

It also has zero protection from scams and fraud.

bbsm3678,

Cash has zero protection too

chiliedogg,

And I don’t give cash to anonymous people online. I only use cash in-person for immediate services or products.

Cocodapuf,

I mean you can use it as currency, and I do sometimes. I have bought plenty of steam games with Bitcoin. I’ve also bought a bunch of stuff on Newegg, and other places online.

It has exactly as much protection from scams and fraud as cash does, that’s essentially what it is.

UpperBroccoli, do games w Bethesda Game Studios/Todd Howard statement on the passing of Julian Lefay

Oh how sad!

He was the lead programmer on Arena, and the project leader for Daggerfall.

RIP.

shneancy, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

gamers, unironically, rise up. this isn’t going to end on niche porn games

Mk23simp,

Since this is caused by activist pressure on the payment processors, perhaps a grassroots activist campaign of our own could change their mind. Especially if we threaten to stop using their services in favor of any competitor that allows all legal purchases.

Katana314,

Hopefully you’re referring to Visa/Paypal, not Itch.

One place that comes to mind is Verotel. I barely know them, but supposedly one of their star attributes is their use for adult businesses. Likely someone else knows them better.

pupbiru, (edited )

visa have similar restrictions… the issue is that payment processor, merchant, card network, issuing bank, and acquiring bank (and a few more) are all different layers to facilitating a transaction… there are very few card networks in the world, and essentially people pay online using mostly either just visa or mastercard

technically you could probably run a site that only accepts amex, diners club, jcb, discover, etc but it really wouldn’t go well: people want to whip out their card (often their only method of online payment) and just pay and go

you’d also need to find a payment processor that would be comfortable taking on the risk of facilitating transactions around mastercard and visa… they might just cut them off from access to their network. sounds like extortion? yeah welcome to the world of banking, where in any other industry it’d be called a cartel

making things even more difficult is that by law in the US payment processors must offer at least 3 (i think? it might be 2?) “routes” (these things aren’t always straight forward - sometimes there are multiple card networks involved), so you probably have to have a pretty mature payment processor because they’d have to accept several of the alternative card networks

oh and you have to push various stats to the federal reserve which is a massive back and forth bureaucratic challenge even above the technical challenge of interfacing with some pretty awful systems. it often takes over a year to get things sorted unless you’re a “too big to fail” type customer

there are a buuuuunch of other spanners that get thrown into the works, but i’m not sure where the NDA line hits so i’m gonna just leave it there and say trust me, payment processing (distinct from payment gateway) is an absolute nightmare mess

Cocodapuf, (edited )

I’m not sure that works, like on a purely game theory level. If gamers start to apply pressure, threaten to stop buying games, the stores need to make a choice:

A. Risk facing the wrath of the gamers, sales are likely to drop. Possibly by a lot, perhaps 15-20%. That could keep up for months before stabilizing.

B. Risk facing the wrath of the payment processors, credit card sales will stop immediately, only alternative payment types get through. Sales drop by 80% overnight, over time some users will seek alternative payment methods, possibly resulting in only 50% less revenue than expected…

While both of those options are bad, one of them is totally fatal to their business.

Those numbers are of course only speculation, but that’s my best guess.

Mk23simp,

I meant pressing the payment processors, like those prude activists are.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

I find it offensive that the only effective way to combat this is to fight fire with fire and also make a big bitchy noise about this like the conservatives love to do. I have better things I would rather be doing with my life. But such are the times we live in I suppose.

Mk23simp,

In the short term, I think that collectively being Karens about it would be able to reverse the pressure, by steering the monopolists away from oppressing us. Because they are mainly motivated by money.

In the long term, take away their monopoly power.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Any games with even mild nudity is next (like Nier)

ssroxnak,

Yep, then lgbtq games, then games with guns, then games with blood, so on and so on

XeroxCool,

Are you sure gun and violence culture is on the chopping block? In the American market?

hibsen,

It absolutely is. We only encourage gun and violence culture in real life, especially by authoritarian figures and their representatives. Allowing such in virtual spaces where no one can actually be hurt or killed runs counter to our patriotic ideals.

ssroxnak,

The big payment processors won’t let you buy firearm parts

troglodyke,
@troglodyke@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

It absolutely is, it’s naive to think these puritans will just decide to stop here

Xande,

GUNS are you nuts… Murican “morale” apostles might have infuenced the media worldwide, but if you take away guns… you lose Murica!

ssroxnak,

Collective Shout is Australian.

Xande,

Doesn’t matter… No guns… Murican outcry! 😁

Or they mope about you not wanting their “culture” and offer to bring their democrazy…

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

Activision, EA, Ubisoft, etc. would never let that happen.

DeLacue,

It’s already expanded. It started as going after “rape and incest” but now it’s all adult games. But a bunch of lgbtq games have already gotten hit. I am beyond furious.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Shit. Would you provide a source please?

shneancy,

i don’t know if any source has caught up yet, but a few days ago it was indeed just taboo kink games that were being targeted, now it seems all of itch.ios NSFW games are disappearing

RandomVideos,

Isnt that addressed in the post?

NikkiDimes, (edited )

I think all games being hit is a temporary measure while they get some sort of new process in place. We’ll see where things land.

Either way, card processing companies shouldn’t be dictating what kind of art consumers can consume, even if I don’t personally agree with the content of some of the worst offenders. If it’s not outright illegal, they can fuck off.

chunes,

You’re being too gracious. These companies could have given itch.io enough time to classify the games properly, but they didn’t.

NikkiDimes,

Oh for sure, fuck these companies. I’m just saying don’t take it out on Itch.io and their current scorched earth approach, their hands are tied.

belluck,

Here’s one example I came across on Bluesky

belluck,

Direct link to the game because the creator restricted who can view their posts on Bsky. Only viewable via a link or from their profile now, searching the name only returns a bunch of other dress-up games, but not this one, presumably because of the „Transgender“ tag.

Gloomy,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Thanks for the context. Might have been caught up in the crossfire, but very worrying indeed.

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

It’s gonna stop once they hit a category that includes big AAA games. Once they start cutting into the revenue of Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed the big developers should take a stance.

Baylahoo,

I’ve already seen a pretty big YouTuber cover that they are targeting GTA 6 now. It was either moistcritical or mudahar

SharkAttak,
@SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org avatar

How do I tell politely in a letter to MasterCard, that if I want to buy a horse dildo it's only MY fucking business?

shneancy,

buy a horse dildo with bitcoin and flaunt how they didn’t get any money from your transaction? idk man, i’m good at vague ideas, specifics are harder

Mustakrakish,

Neighbors being kidnapped: I sleep

Taking my fetish games: Real Shit

shneancy,

most of the world isn’t american. we can’t do anything about your government

Mustakrakish,

Capitalism is a global problem, its not contained to america. Replace neighbors being kidnapped with which ever country you’re in supporting a genocide and it still fits, and is likely accurate unless you’re like in Yemen.

SkunkWorkz, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

Holy fuck why did Collective Shout go full nuclear and go behind the platforms’ back and straight to the payment processors. Like they could have at least talk to the Itch.io people.

pulsewidth,

If they wanted any games banned all they had to do was talk to the Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) in Australia, where they’re based. Any of the games listed would have likely been added to the ‘Refused Classification’ list and thereby banned from sale and import in Australia. If they wanted them pulled from Steam or Itch entirely they could have talked to those platforms.

But they didn’t want to raise objections through appropriate preexisting channels, they wanted to push their Christian-based ideology on the whole world by going Karen on the social media of all the payment processors.

ushmel,

lol they're Australian? Jfc

slimerancher, do games w Day 372 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

Heh, these are some weird looking flys! 😂

BaroqueInMind, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .
@BaroqueInMind@piefed.social avatar

What games were taken down? Are they preserved somewhere? Anybody know?

CaptainDongus,

For the sake of data preservation of NSFW works: check out F95zone

Pages may contain free links to the data, but they should all contain social media links to the developers and creators as well so that you can actually purchase or contact.

IggyTheSmidge,

From what itch.io have posted, I don’t think they’ve been removed as such - they just don’t appear if you browse or search for them.

Direct links should currently still work if people have them.

Sendpicsofsandwiches, do games w Day 372 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
@Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works avatar

Absolutely loved running through this game with my friends

Lumidaub, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .
@Lumidaub@feddit.org avatar

This is what killed tumblr.

pycorax, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

What’s stopping them from doing what DLsite did in Japan by using credits purchased off site? Seems like an alternative business opportunity there.

amino,

you mean gift cards bought at convenience stores? or do they buy them using a credit card and then the credits show up in your account?

regardless, Visa and MasterCard have hegemonic monopolies on the market. anybody not using them will see huge losses in sales.

pycorax,

They’re gift cards that you can buy from a different online store that’s from a different company. Then you redeem them on DLsite.

match,
@match@pawb.social avatar

lil pachinko plates from the guy across the hallway

LodeMike, (edited ) do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

I don’t get it. Do payment processors want less money? Do they hate being entrenched and bringing in revenue just for existing? Do they want us to try and find alternatives to them?

shneancy,

this bullshit is surely coming from the recently intensifying family friendlinessification of the internet, but why the fuck do payment processors care? i have no idea. are they taking a cut of advertising revenue? do all ceos just want to appear as massive prudes? do they see children as an untapped market to exploit? or maybe they’re just fucking stupid? what is actually going on

frezik,

Capitalism is creating a level of censorship that exceeded what the US government was ever able to do after the Warren court. Parts of this have been there for a long time. You can drop f-bombs on cable TV all you like; the FCC can’t do anything about it since it’s not over public airwaves. They generally don’t do that, because advertisers don’t like it. Capitalism set the rule, not the government.

YouTube has put this idea into overdrive. You can’t make a straightforward, monetized video about the Holocaust anymore, because the language you would have to use would violate YouTube’s written and unwritten rules. Meanwhile, actual fucking Nazis have had little issue using YouTube to spread their bullshit.

Credit card companies have had issues with porn sites in terms of fraud reporting. Not necessarily because of actual fraud–if the site you use is under CCbill, it’s fine–but because some guy’s spouse sees the card transactions, asks what this particular line is for, and he lies and says it’s probably fraud and he’ll call it in. Get more than a few of those, and the processor will always be flagged for review.

They do outright stop some of the more fringe porn. Bree Mills (of Adulttime) has said that they get limited by the credit card industry far more than the government. All the faux-incest videos go out of their way to mention in dialog that everyone is a step family and over 18. You won’t find scat on Kink.com, again because their payment processor won’t allow it.

That’s been the situation for a few decades, but it has gone beyond that in the last few years. They tried it on OnlyFans, and the company maneuvered things to show why that’s an incredibly bad idea, and then the card companies backed down. But they’re trying again elsewhere, and they’re starting to be successful. I severely doubt they had any significant fraud issues on Steam or itch.io, NSFW items or otherwise.

Ultimately, this stuff is a tiny slice of their revenue. If they want to shut it all down on a moral crusade, they will barely notice the hit to their numbers.

On a side note, I’d like the advocate that you should pay for porn if it’s within your means. You’ll often find better quality stuff at sites that properly run their sets with consent. If you like queer porn or unconventional body types, there are a lot of sites for that which just don’t show up on PornHub.

Exusia, (edited )
@Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

I think someone once told me its about charge backs. People will pay up for hours and hours of content (more for addicts) and then issue a chargeback, or otherwise say their card was stolen (how dare you insinuate I’m into that fetish! Type shit) and because there is no physical product to seize, the company is left with repeatedly eating investigation costs into fraudulent porn addicts.

E: I’m not judging anyone’s porn content, idgaf what you smack or flick to. Merely an observation of people not realizing how much they will charge their CC until statement time, and freak out and then chargeback, making the company susceptible to puritanical influence because “those damn porn users” keep costing the company money.

FishFace,

Why would a campaign group have any influence over that?

XeroxCool,

Mutualism, parasitism? The group wants some puritanical bullshit and knows a tactic to make other services comply

MITM0, (edited )
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

It’s all about misandry (attacking men’s enjoyment), These are all male-dominated medias, but they’re (as in CollectiveShout) OK with cuties.

kilgore_trout,

Maybe from Collective Shout, but what about Visa and Mastercard?

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Collective Shout has their people within those organizations, you don’t acquire this level of power without networking & organization.

Cocodapuf,

They make money hand over first for doing practically nothing… They’re perfectly happy with their current situation and the most important thing to them right now is not rocking the boat.

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