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drmoose, do gaming w This happened to me in Roller Coaster Tycoon and The Sims.

Same with wowhead or runescape wiki. Really kills the video game wonder.

Good news is that you can just ignore that if you want to. I recently played classic wow without any external tools and it was such a fun, adventurous experience!

ArsonButCute,

I’ve long argued that games like Minecraft and Stardew Valley with their seeming inability to actually teach you the game have become far too overreliant on Wikis and walkthroughs. Minecraft for example: its highly unlikely you will naturally discover the path to “winning the game” and defeating the Ender Dragon. Its arcane nonsense.

  1. Mine
  2. Craft
  3. Go to Hell
  4. Go to the End
  5. Kill the Dragon

The official Guide expects you to do this in ways that are 1 no longer possible and 2 rely on innate understanding of the physics of the game (specifically that beds explode when used outside the overworld [excuse me what the fuck how am I supposed to recognize that can be a weapon?]).

notarobot,

There is no way the official way uses beds to kill the dragon

ArsonButCute,

It is heavily implied in “Minecraft: Guide to The Nether and The End” (part of the official guidebook series published my mojang) that you’re meant to use beds to cheese the dragon. This is the easiest and most effective way to handle the Dragon, but its arcane nonsense, as stated in my previous comment t.

RaoulDook,

All of the Elden-Soulsborne games are like that but it never really bothered me. I would have missed tons of the game without the wiki as help, just because of how crazy their games are with hiding stuff

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Those are what’s known as knowledge gated games, where your progression as a player is either wholly or mostly tied to your own personal knowledge of how the game world works. Indeed, many of the mechanics may make no sense due to being crude mockeries of how the real world works. But some of them have become so ingrained in the popular consciousness that developers of later Indie Crafty Survival Sandboxy games can rely on the notion that most players will reflexively begin their adventure by punching a tree, and can probably accurately guess what the crafting shape of a pickaxe will be. This is no doubt down to the Earth-shattering popularity of Minecraft itself.

If you ask me, these games refusing to handhold the player and letting them discover things for themselves is part of their appeal. Expecting to be able to dive right in and know everything right from the starting block really rather misses the point. You have to admit that if you’ve been playing, say, Minecraft since the alpha days, your experience and approach to the game if you spun up a new world right now would be vastly different from your first playthrough, and none of the wonder or sense of discovery would be present.

Gating progression by knowledge (byzantine knowledge though it may be, e.g. in the case of specifically knowing not only how to construct a portal out of obsidian but also activate it by lighting it on fire) mirrors real life in an ineffable way that skill or time/microtransaction/XP accrual gated games can’t.

Some games do both. For instance, ask any Dark Souls player. The Souls games are both knowledge gated and very, infamously, exasperatingly skill gated.

SolarBoy,

I think knowledge gated games are good, but not when there is no actual in-game method to discover the things you need to progress.

dual_sport_dork,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

That case I advise you to never, ever play Noita.

SolarBoy,

I actually played Noita before. I though I was doing pretty good by myself, managed to get quite deep. Then somebody told me about the outside map and all the parallel worlds and wow…

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

the thing about noita is that you think you’ve discovered the entire game and you’re impressed with how much there was to find, then you notice something and find another game to discover, then you watch a video on noita and realize you found roughly a fifth of the actual full game content

JackbyDev,

I’m gonna push back on this idea. Take Rimworld. It’s also a “have the wiki open” game. The game tells you how long plants take to mature, but there is a mechanic that plants “rest” a certain amount of time that isn’t mentioned anywhere, so the figure is just flat wrong for all plants by some factor (same factor for all plants). I love these types of games, but it’s not an excuse for relying on wikis to explain things.

LoreleiSankTheShip,

Agreed for wow, but for Runescape, many of the quests are just so arcane that I never in a million years would have guessed what to do for them

drmoose,

I actually replayed runescape classic as Ironman recently and surprisingly most quests can be solved without the wiki! It’s takes much longer though but so much more fun. You get to explore the world more and its a really good world with most characters having some personality and little areas that have you’d never visit otherwise.

rustydrd, do gaming w A small moment in gaming history
@rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

Fort Gay erasure.

mechoman444, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

So many people in this thread just listing games they like and don’t know what museums are for.

MojoMcJojo, do games w what video game deserves to be in a museum?

Dwarf Fortress, obviously.

FatTony,
@FatTony@lemmy.world avatar

“It’s the best game you’re not playing.”

danciestlobster, do games w RPGs that are optionally pacifist?

Disco Elysium can totally be pacifist

Railcar8095, do games w Junk Store 2.0 has released

Months ago I predicted it was going to be a subscription and I was downvoted to hell.

Thanks but no thanks.

Kolanaki, do games w Is there a alternative platform to roblox for players and gamedevs?
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Fortnite. Yes, Fortnite. They’ve added a bunch of crazy stuff similar to Roblox where you can be paid for your content. Hell, Gaijin just bought the rights to a stupid custom map in the game for this very reason.

It’s free, and so are the tools. But the tools are also just… UE5. Which is also free and literally made to develop games.

simple,
@simple@piefed.social avatar

It's called UEFN (Unreal Editor for Fortnite), not Fortnite the game specifically. From what I understand it's a watered down version of Unreal Engine and is really good to use, lets you publish your games straight to the platform.

ArchmageAzor, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

Can we crowdfund a big lawsuit against those responsible for this?

TeddE,
@TeddE@lemmy.world avatar

Against banks? I love the enthusiasm but this is not the way. Banks as a whole have many of the best lawyers in the game on retainer (possession is 9/10ths of the law, and this industry banks on that and make bank.) The best crowdfunding campaign in history* is 800 million. The banks would be willing to spend at least that in their own defence.

*not including investments (nor blockchain)

Plus, a progressive lawsuit in this environment? Might backfire spectacularly - right now banks are cautiously picking on ‘safe’ targets. But with a green light from the supreme court the banks could go full Nazi. Yeah - there’s nothing good I can reasonably expect here.

Rivalarrival,
@Rivalarrival@lemmy.today avatar

Does it have to be a lawsuit? Can it be a big guillotine instead?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

Or use cryptocurrency more

szymon, do games w Stop Killing Games reaches its goal of 1.4M signatures, covering the risk of valid signatures going under 1M

We should vote out any EU parliament member who doesn’t vote ay on that lae

Lobbying against ‘SKG’ will be massive.

As always - evey problem comes from people voting on conservative and not social-democrats or social-liberals

Every other parties are bullshit worth zero

dukeofdummies, do gaming w Is that a mod on the device that you own?

That is a well done photoshop

bravo

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Well? You only give out a Well done?! :o

BackgrndNoize,

Are you congratulating the AI that made this lol

RayOfSunlight, do gaming w Is that a mod on the device that you own?

Companies: If You Wanna Play, You’re Gonna do it MY way, By depleting your bank account our wallet on us, and letting us control what you buy

Aceticon,

Companies: If You Wanna Play, You’re Gonna do it MY way, By depleting your bank account our wallet on us, and letting us control what you pay to get a license letting you temporarily and entirelly at discretion access it

FIFY!

ThatGuy46475, do gaming w Haven't we forgotten someone?

Charmander: young and cute

Charizard: powerful grown up

Charmeleon: angsty teenager

RememberTheApollo_, do games w Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

What are these games? Steam is littered with these and waifu porno stuff… Not kink shaming here but what’s the attraction?

bestboyfriendintheworld,

The more taboo a topic, the more it gets people agitated, sometimes this is channeled sexually.

Gaylactus,

I honestly don’t get it either… And I have nothing against porn, but some of these just sound and look like cheap copy/pastes and probably with little to no interactivity or gameplay. I’m curious to see how they are now, if only for comedic value.

zecg, do games w Steam is cracking down on porn games, to keep Payment Processors happy.
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

The reason might be a slippery slope or whatever, but there’s mountains of disgusting visual novel incest fantasy shit, so much that I had to filter out all sexual content from Steam even though I might enjoy occasional Sex With the Devil or some Genital Jousting.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I prefer to do my genital jousting IRL, and not video game format. I just go up to random dudes at the urinal and challenge them.

Gaylactus,

I’m going to file this as “untagged satire”… right? RIGHT???

surewhynotlem,

He has a butthole right in his username.

Gaylactus,

If your butthole looks like a spiral, I’m sorry for your condition, and hope you get better soon. Thoughts and prayers!

surewhynotlem,

👉🌀😵‍💫

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Joust me and find out.

Luci, do gaming w When you need to set the mood
@Luci@lemmy.ca avatar

Yoooooooooooooooooooooo

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