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who, do games w Why are people gurgling the switch 2 so hard?

You know that it’s common for companies to pay influencers and publications for favorable publicity, right?

SolidShake,

I’m not talking about streamers and big YouTube channels.

who, (edited )

The practice extends beyond those. Lemmy is not immune, for example.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

This community looks relevant in principle, although most of the posts right now are about political astroturfing (which is not the only kind):

!fediverse_vs_disinfo

missingno, do games w Why do people like Mario Kart?
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Are you really unable to understand why other people enjoy things? Is this a serious question?

mesitoispro,
@mesitoispro@ttrpg.network avatar

I can understand why, but I wanted to hear their reasons for it.

I guess you’re just upset because someone was critical of something you like. It’s okay, I see it all the time.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

If you must know, I'm actually not a Mario Kart fan, played the older ones but haven't touched the series since DS. More of a Kirby Air Ride and F-Zero GX kinda guy. But I can still understand the appeal well enough to not post this kind of thinly veiled "I'm mad that other people like something I don't" thread.

mesitoispro,
@mesitoispro@ttrpg.network avatar

Now you’re projecting.

I’m just going to ignore you.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

Projection is when you said "I guess you're just upset because someone was critical of something you like."

Elevator7009, (edited )

I think people are very much taking this less as an “I’m curious, why do people find this fun? I want to understand” post, and more of a condescending “I think it’s not fun because I have taste and am presuming people who think it is fun do not until proven otherwise, now prove me otherwise” post. Some people, including me until I saw these comments, were seeing your post body that tells us why you don’t like the game less as sharing your own perspective and wanting someone to show you a bright side, and more as trying to denigrate people who see it as fun. I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I think you can reread your post body and see how people might interpret a far less curious, far more judgmental tone from it.

To actually answer your question: I played Mario Kart Wii mostly as kid against the computer and other people, and a few times as an adult against other people. I like to think I was good at the game, that skill mattered and it wasn’t random and unfair. I won almost every time both against the computer, and against other humans. So I just didn’t perceive the game as “mostly random and unfair.” (Although now that I think of it, when I had the option I’d usually switch all items to Strategic against the computer, eliminating a lot of the catch-up items, so perhaps I did perceive it initially and just removed it from my experience to the point I don’t remember it? Although when I played against other humans it was usually on their console at their place with their settings, which probably didn’t have it set to Strategic.) The catch-up mechanics could sink me if I made a mistake, but if I drove well the whole course I almost always came out in front. Perhaps you’re thinking of later editions that I never played and have no opinion of, or the computer plays badly and the people I played against were bad at the game?

katze,

I can understand why, but I wanted to hear their reasons for it.

You make it sound like people make a pros and cons list before deciding whether to like something or not. We don’t choose what to like. People clearly have fun playing Mario Kart, that’s it.

mesitoispro,
@mesitoispro@ttrpg.network avatar

It’s okay, I see it all the time.

I’m going to block you now. Real sick of people who can’t take criticism of the things they like.

katze,

What? 🤣 Last time I played a Nintendo game was probably in 1995 on a Chinese clone of NES (or SNES, no idea).

Coelacanth, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

We’ll see how much is recency bias and how well it will stand the test of time, but I really think Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 will be on this list going forward. It’s definitely one of the best games I’ve ever played, and I’ve played a lot of games. It’s not perfect, but it’s close enough in all the parts that actually matter.

Otherwise there’s your usual suspects:

  • Disco Elysium
  • Portal
  • Half-Life 2
  • Bioshock 1
  • Final Fantasy VI
  • Chrono Trigger
  • Zelda: Ocarina of Time
  • The Last of Us
  • Baldur’s Gate 2
puia,

I still have to play it, but Clair Obscus seems like this year Baldur’s Gate 3, which is rare. A game that came out of no where and is ready to win goty

Coelacanth,
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

I know this is a hot take, but: BG3 is a good game. Clair Obscur is a work of art.

puia,

I must say you are really getting me hyped to play this game. Bgs3 was a masterpiece, and i also love games like Persona so i am really excited to try a French jrpg like Clair Obscur

SnotFlickerman,

Props for DE being at the top of your list.

iAmTheTot, (edited ) do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

None. There’s no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

sugar_in_your_tea,

“Masterpiece” comes from the art world, and there are absolutely works everyone seems to agree qualify, such as:

  • The Mona Lisa
  • David statue
  • David Copperfield by Charles Dickens

It’s usually the best work by an artist, or at least the one that got them their recognition, and it stands out among other works in the field.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s the one that got them their recognition, it’s little more than arbitrary; luck, place and time; things that don’t have to do with how good the work is. Some “masterpieces” weren’t considered such until they were exposed to people over and over again, like The Mona Lisa at the Louvre or It’s a Wonderful Life on TBS. I’d have a hard time calling a number of games masterpieces that I didn’t care for, because this isn’t objective.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work’s creation. Are these not objective qualities?

I don’t really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it’s a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

Katana314,

This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn’t so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren’t as good.

Krauerking,

Right… So what game gets the most of those bits the most right?

That’s how you start to separate out the best. Not that complex.

LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • seathru,
    @seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I think the word you are looking for is pedant.

    Better vocabulary will help get your point across better. Without also sounding like an edgy atheist teen.

    Krudler,

    It’s low-grade trolling, chill bro. They’re not serious.

    ms_lane,

    Games are not Art, they are Games.

    Videogames can also be art, but they are also games and ‘games’ (note: not ‘videogames’) are not art.

    Screen_Shatter, do games w Wait, that game is still playable online?

    Titanfall 2 servers were brought back online after being down for awhile.

    I still play Starcraft 2 occasionally.

    earned_myself_a_gin,

    Is there any community or a different set of servers to point to? Titanfall 2 was my favorite game before the DDoSes, and when I’ve periodically checked you can try matchmaking but there’s nobody left to play with anymore. Is there a Discord or another set of servers or something?

    Screen_Shatter,

    I’m actually not sure, its my kid who plays. He was very excited and playing on xbox. I thought it was cool and unexpected but I guess maybe it died back down again.

    Bogusmcfakester,

    On pc there’s a thing called the Northstar client that was pretty active during the ddos times

    Varying9125,

    I just found out about north star and looked into buying TF2, its $30 on steam! wtf I remember seeing it for like $3 before

    pedro,

    You can get EA keys dirt cheap on the grey market. Alternatively just wait for a sale and it will be a few quid on steam

    IronKrill,
    @IronKrill@lemmy.ca avatar

    It’s been on steep discount often, as recently as May 1st. Just gotta wait for the sale, it’ll go on again. isthereanydeal.com/game/…/history/

    sugar_in_your_tea, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

    Here are my reasons:

    • no Linux support - Heroic works, why doesn’t Epic do what GOG do and revenue share w/ Heroic?
    • exclusivity deals, which reduces options outside of EGS
    • Epic’s anticheat works on Linux, but their own games that use it don’t, that’s a pretty big slap in the face

    I certainly want more competition to Steam, but that competition needs to do something other than exist for me to use it. GOG is that, and if they properly supported Linux, they’d get most of my gaming money. But they don’t, so they only get some of it.

    Yeah, this probably reads like a Linux fanboy post or something, but I’ve been using Linux longer than Steam supported it with its client, and I’ll still be here if Steam leaves. It’s my platform of choice, and a vendor needs to meet me here if they want my business. Valve did, so they get my money. I honestly don’t need much, I just need games to work properly on my system.

    Krudler, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

    It’s very simple, valve is a gamer company. Epic is a money company. Every single thing each respective company does shows that. I’m not a bitch, I’m never going to let those Epic cunts have a penny of my money. Fucking with the games industry, fucking with gamers, locking exclusives, it’s all bullshit & they can suck my cock

    MajesticElevator, (edited )

    Meanwhile Valve pushing unrelated unregulated gambling to everyone, including children, through their case unboxing system

    kadup,
    @kadup@lemmy.world avatar

    Counter Strike is a M rated game

    MajesticElevator,

    Oh so they have no responsibility at all then. Might as well stop checking IDs when people enter casinos or buy alcohol because they’re not supposed to if they’re underaged.

    They make a deliberately addictive mechanic that they know ruin peoples’ life, and they also know they have a big young audience, but you think that’s fine? Shame of you, really.

    It’s also in TF2 btw

    And whatever you say, it’s still exploiting adults. In many countries, like France, casinos are legally obliged to detect addicted people, prevent minors from playing, and let people opt out legally, and never allow them to gamble afterwards. Valve blatantly doesn’t respect this and takes efforts to bypass the law. They got banned in Belgium and France, and used a legal loophole to avoid being banned in France.

    You’re acting like a Valve fanboy. Be objective. Apart from that, Valve is an overall good company for the video games industry, but they act like a piece of shit in other places.

    Goretantath,

    Parents should do their damn job and prevent their kids from playing what they arent supposed to, or teach them right from wrong.

    MajesticElevator,

    Teens aren’t kids. Gambling is addictive to everyone.

    Soggy,

    Teens are kids, they’ve just got half a brain and adult hormones mixed in. They still need guidance and supervision.

    kadup,
    @kadup@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean… Do you support the recent proposal to ban online porn? How about alcohol?

    Valve provides a game, an appropriate age rating, a description of the monetization scheme, and a way for users to freely trade items.

    If minors transform that into a gambling addiction, it’s certainly a big problem, but I don’t see how that translates into “Steam bad, Epic Games good”

    MajesticElevator,

    Do you support the recent proposal to ban online porn?

    No, but that’s another subject. Not easy to regulate and is not as life threatening as many other things. We all consumed some when minors and it never was a huge deal for most people. Gambling is much worse imo, as it impacts your finance. Gambling is already banned/regulated and Valve is avoiding the current laws.

    How about alcohol?

    It’s already pretty well restricted for minors. The world would be better without it, but as nicotine, can’t go back now that people are used to it.

    but I don’t see how that translates into “Steam bad, Epic Games good”

    Never said that.

    I talked about this because the original comment said Valve wasn’t here for money. Why do they push gambling then?

    Krudler,

    Whataboutism makes you look like an idiot

    WhatsTheHoldup,

    Not OP but your very first sentence was

    It’s very simple, valve is a gamer company.

    It’s not “whataboutism” to directly respond to your point and try to argue they aren’t a gamer company.

    I do agree with you overall though that Epic can suck it.

    MajesticElevator,

    You’re saying Valve acts for gamers, not for profits. I’m proving you wrong. You’re just entitled and love Valve.

    MajesticElevator,

    Wrote unrelated instead of unregulated, which changed the meaning of my sentence. Fixed it.

    simple, do games w I just realized the only way to get new gamers to care about Jak is to release a "remastered" version, which sucks.

    I think a modern port for other systems would do very well, Sony just isn’t interested in reviving the series which does suck. They did HD versions for PS3 which regained some interest in the franchise, but then they just ported the PS2 versions for PS4/PS5…

    If we can have those HD versions on Steam, it’d be a huge deal. Right now most people can’t play the game without jumping through hoops. As an aside, you can play the decompiled versions on PC using OpenGOAL.

    octobob,

    I played the HD version on a PS3 emulator and honestly didn’t notice that much of a difference from the PS2 game with upscaled resolution.

    I think the point of this post, which I agree with, is that the PS2 version that is available via emulators or on the PS store currently is good enough as it is and the series doesn’t need revived at all.

    Sort of in the same vein is that I tried playing MGS1 twin snakes which is the gamecube remake of the PS1 game. Maybe it’s nostalgia of the original being my favorite game of all time, but it just didn’t hit the same for me as the original. It’s just about the closest thing to what a modern “remake” would look like, except I guess with the graphics of how the new remastered snake eater game looks instead of the GC graphics.

    It sucks that people might skip timeless classics like these because they’re not remastered with updated graphics.

    ozymandias117,

    Wow. This opengoal project is so cool!

    You made me dig through old boxes to find my Jak games. I know what I’m doing this weekend :)

    Zahille7,

    OpenGOAL runs flawlessly ime. For TPL and Jak 2, there are some extra qol settings and some added secrets to mess around with (in Jak 2, you can unlock cheats for invulnerable vehicles throughout the city, real time of day, turbo jetboard, etc). They’re still working on Jak 3, but you could always get PCSX2 for that one. PCSX2 is a fantastic emulator for PS2 games that also works pretty much flawlessly. It’s how I replayed the old Sly games and a bunch of others.

    HollowNaught, do games w What game is this? (On the Switch that they're holding)
    @HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

    a deep dive

    20 minutes long

    Not very deep then huh

    Nikls94,

    I once watched a YouTuber reacting to his own video. The original video was 20 minutes long, the reaction 110 minutes

    Edit: here

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5hJ9jhVlXY&pp=ygUjSm9zaCBz…

    simop_jo,

    I have run out of content Reacting to I have run out of content

    hitagi, do games w Youtuber Geekerwan has find the motherboard of Switch 2 and after reverse-engineer he have simulate the performance on a similar PC

    Good ol 750 Ti.

    shiroininja,

    Still the best engineered bang for your Buck/power draw card ever created in my eyes. Power draw of a lightbulb and I put it side by side with my freinds Xbox one at release and beat its performance.

    I wish companies stayed on that track.

    B0NK3RS,
    @B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

    I wish companies stayed on that track.

    Welcome to a world of 1000W PSUs :(

    shiroininja,

    It’s like we’re returning to the early 00s lol. I used to rock a 450w psu in my 750ti build. :( granted I use a 650w today but my rx580 SND Ryzen 5 1500x is getting dated when it comes to new releases.

    This is the first year I really don’t meeet requirements. Don’t know what to do with this market lol

    B0NK3RS,
    @B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

    The pc market has taken a very consumerist turn and it’s actually pretty disgusting. Sad times.

    Zanshi,

    I’m in the same boat, haven’t really found anything good to upgrade to that doesn’t cost me a kidney.

    Artyom,

    1000W does sound big enough for a 5090, but what about the other computer components?

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    Yup, that’s what I’m using in my NAS for basic transcoding. Works great!

    lowered_lifted, do gaming w Can you *believe* how those Nords stereotype us?

    The people updooting this probably believe white supremacist myths about “black crime rates”

    Kusimulkku,

    I mean the top comments aren’t exactly arguing against those, rather saying that marginalized people have to resort to them.

    ShinkanTrain, do gaming w Can you *believe* how those Nords stereotype us?

    J’Zargo is my homie though.

    AngryCommieKender,

    Did you give J’Zargo the hiccups‽‽‽

    Kolanaki, do games w What is your favorite indie game?
    @Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

    Dwarf Fortress. Not even just my favorite indie game, but favorite game ever.

    nailbar,

    I’m such a sucker for world simulation! It made me hate games where events happen because they’re programmed to do so.

    JTskulk, do games w What is your favorite indie game?

    FTL: Faster Than Light

    DucksInARow,

    The Multiverse mod expands the game dramatically, and is, if anything, better than the base game; I highly recommend it.

    sploosh,

    It does add a lot of very good playable content, but the quality and tone of the writing is a departure from the main game. Some find it a deal breaker.

    sprite0,

    such a great non traditional roguelike with sooo much replayability.

    JTskulk,

    It’s the game that made me like these kinds of games. 1,300 hours :)

    Konraddo, do games w Cities Skylines 2, Kerbal Space 2, Planet Coaster 2, Frostpunk 2... What Went Wrong?

    A great product does not necessarily mean there is a winning formula though. We have a trash sequel when the new game does not do something that the existing game does. Even worse, the existing features are locked behind additional payment, so why would players not continue to play the existing game?

    KSP 2 - Let’s forget the technical disaster. A lot of features are missing at the start. You could argue that it’s in early access, but why would I pay for a product that does less? Then we add in the many bugs and performance issues, and you know it’s game over.

    Cities Skylines 2 - Again, you can’t do everything you already can in CS1. Plus, the first game is supported by a huge number of mods. There’s really no reason to play the new title. Again, it does not perform any better.

    This is a weird take but I think remake or remastered these days are more like sequels than sequels, just because they keep the story and mechanics.

    I find that game developers or many businesses try to reinvent the wheel when there’s no reason to. Say the Subnautica sequel, why waste money on voice over, add a land mass, cut the beloved submarine, shorten the story and overall map size, all that. I will never understand and sincerely hope the next Subnautica title does not reinvent the wheel.

    1984,

    I wouldnt go that far. Skylines 2 has a new game engine. If it wouldnt have turned out to be incredibly slow, it would have been a very successful launch.

    And I cant imagine anyone buying Skylines 2 if it used the same engine as Skylines 1. Then it truly would have been no point. The new engine was supposed to make cities more beautiful and more realistic. They just didnt manage to make it fast.

    I unfortunately bought the game for 50 dollars in launch day and I have just 3 hours in it. I cant bring myself to play it because of the sluggish feeling.

    EowynCarter,

    Last patch was an other gap performance wise.

    Progress is slow, but it’s getting there.

    Konraddo,

    They just didnt manage to make it fast.

    You are absolutely right. The vision for sequel can be good but the execution has to be equally sound too. In the ideal situation, I guess CS2 needs to be a rebuild of CS1 with a new engine, so it can fully replace CS1 right from the start, if not do something extra. They did a few things praiseworthy though, like baking in road lane customisation, which was done by mods in CS1.

    But then, we are not too fair. Simulation games are different from RPG. Story has an ending and we want to see how it continues to develop. For simulation games, I don’t think players want anything to be removed on a sequel, unless they are absolutely bad design. Even so, players expect QoL here and there to make their lives easier, which alone can be the single reason to buy the sequel.

    SwampYankee,

    When was the last time you played it? It’s a hell of a lot better now.

    SwampYankee,

    Cities Skylines 2 - Again, you can’t do everything you already can in CS1. Plus, the first game is supported by a huge number of mods. There’s really no reason to play the new title. Again, it does not perform any better.

    CS2 looks and performs better than the original now that a lot of the bugs have been squashed and optimizations are in place (in my experience, anyway). Its memory management in particular is way better than CS1. I don’t get the simulation slow down to the same extent that I did in CS1 as the population increases.

    The new road tools alone are reason enough for me to never go back to CS1. The service building upgrades are an added feature that’s a big plus as well. I also find that the economy is a little more functional and transparent than in CS1 (again, after multiple patches).

    I don’t find the lack of bike lanes, quays, or modular industry to be so important as to ruin my enjoyment of what is otherwise a state of the art city building game.

    captainlezbian,

    Yeah, I don’t want a sequel for sequel’s sake. If you don’t have an artistic or consumer perspective vision on why a sequel is needed or wanted you should be focusing on something that can be justified like that.

    Story and exploration games have this built in. Why do players want a sequel? To have more story, to explore more, to return to this world once they’ve tired of the previous game. Rpgs are expensive, slow, and risky, but you basically never have to justify your next game.

    The games mentioned here struggle there. KSP does what it does well. Any sequel comes with huge questions of why people would want another space program simulator, and it’s clear that corporate just assumed that people would buy it because they loved the first one.

    And that’s not to say games that don’t feel like a sequel is warranted can’t benefit from one. Roguelikes are about as anti sequel as city builders and there are two roguelike sequels I love. Rogue legacy 2 was the devs reimagining the concept of the first game and making a higher budget (especially in gameplay) game that doesn’t just feel like a cash grab. And Hades 2 is similar in many ways, but different enough to feel warranted and clearly made uncynically. It clearly exists because the leads felt there was more to do with the premise that didn’t belong in the first game.

    And there’s the thing, I think that ksp probably did have a sequel in it. Something like a space colony sim where you’re a space station having to build and manage ships and colonies, or something else may have been warranted or good. But it would’ve come from a creative lead wanting to do it rather than what clearly happened of a corporation purchasing the game and deciding that since they owned it they had to make a sequel to use the ip

    tal,

    KSP does what it does well. Any sequel comes with huge questions of why people would want another space program simulator

    I think that there were pretty clear ways to expand KSP that I would have liked.

    • There was limited capacity to build bases and springboard off resources from those.
    • I’d have liked to be able to set up programmed flight sequences.
    • More mechanics, like radiation, micrometeorite impacts, etc.
    • The physics could definitely have been improved upon in a number of ways. I mean, I’ve watched a lot of rockets springily bouncing around at their joints.
    • Some of the science-gathering stuff was kind of…grindy. I would have liked that part of the game to be revamped.
    • I don’t think that graphics were a massive issue, but given how much time you spend looking at flames coming from rocket engines, it’d be nice to have improved on that somewhat. I’d have also liked some sort of procedural-terrain-generation system to permit for higher-resolution stuff when you’re on the ground; yeah, you’re mostly in the air or space, but when you’re on the ground, the fidelity isn’t all that great.
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