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wasted_in_time, do games w Balatro celebrates 2 million sales, will feature major gameplay update in 2025!

Good for them… Still have yet to win a run.

Cris16228,

How many hours in? Just curious, I’m bad at it but I got my first win ~16 hours in, are you doing something wrong?

wasted_in_time,

22.9 hours in…I’ve gotten close, but no cigar.

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks,

I believe in you!

GissaMittJobb,

Balatro University has some good guides if you’re looking to improve.

Skullgrid,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar
Cris16228,

Thanks for this! Saving and checking them but… I’m more a “Look at me playing a game and tell me what I did wrong at the end” kind of player

calabast,

I was going to say “ahh, too bad the Internet isn’t really helpful for that method of learning”, but with AI who knows, maybe that’ll be something your computer can do before too long

Cris16228,

I don’t really understand your comment - sorry! - but I’ve played some games with the plasma deck and I still have to understand how to play exactly with it, I do good-ish at first but after a few rounds/first boss I do so little numbers and I can’t win, having someone watching what I do wrong and telling me would be great

ABCDE,

I could have a go at that.

makeshiftreaper,

For plasma specifically I’d focus on high additive chip jokers. While that’s normally bad advice, consider how crazy good a card with +50 mult on it would be. Now consider that a +100 chip joker is effectively a +50 chip/+50 mult (I know that’s not technically true but I’m illustrating a point). Also eventually you do hit a point of diminishing returns because plasma prevents you from having a super high multiplier or chips, so like every build, total score multipliers are the best

Cris16228,

The one who played it before me said it was best to get the X multi jokers so I always ignored the + multi ones and even the X multi final score… I tried but I don’t exactly know which ones do that. I should try with what you said and see if it works, thanks! Which poker hand is better with it?

makeshiftreaper,

It’s hard to offer strong heuristics for Balatro because you could theoretically build up to a point where you’ve got a crazy high multiplier but if your chips are low it doesn’t matter.

For example let’s say you’ve got a face card 4 of a kind build going with: Pareidolia, Zany, Smiley, Trio, and Family jokers. These give you (respectively) all cards are face cards, +12 mult for 3 of a kind, +20 mult for each hand (all cards are face cards), x3 mult, x4 mult for a total of 384 multiplier! On base 4 of a kind this is

60x([7+12+20]x3x4)=28,080

However if you were to drop smiley face (+5 mult per face) for scary face (+30 chips per face card) which by almost every heuristic is a bad decision your score becomes:

(60+120)x([7+12]x3x4)=41,040

Which is a way bigger score!

So while people can offer general advice like stack high chips on plasma, always go for total score multipliers, etc. sometimes you just have to evaluate your specific build and figure out the best play

Finally outside of decks like abandoned and checkered which are specifically made to get certain hands, there isn’t a “best” hand to go for. The highest possible scores I’ve seen all come from high card builds but most normal players won’t get those. I’ve won two of a kind runs, flush 5 runs, straight runs, flush runs. You just have to evaluate your deck and tarot cards to see your options

Cris16228,

This is interesting to know since I would love to win at least one game with plasma since people said it the funniest deck but for some reasons I can’t get past ante 2/3. I’m going to try to play a game or 2 trying to buy chip jokers and tarots hoping for the best, I do really need to understand better jokers and synergies between them

Prunebutt,

Maybe experiment a bit more. That way, you can deduce yousrelf what works and what doesn’t.

Cris16228,

The problem is, like I said in another comment, is I can’t understand exactly how to play the plasma deck but I’ll keep trying!

Prunebutt,

Well, you must have already got quite a bit of experienge then, since that one get unlocked after the second most difficult stake, right? Have you tried focusing on chips, instead of mult? Chips are way easier to raise.

Cris16228,

No, the only suggestion I’ve got for the plasma deck is to try getting the X multi jokers but failed

rockerface,

With the plasma deck you don’t need to balance the chips with multiplier, as it does that for you. So what you want to do is to go all in on either chips or multiplier. Usually it’s easier to get chips bonuses early, and then, when you have the opportunity, to pivot into massive multiplier multiples. Or just keep going with chips, if you have enough levels on your main hand - that might be enough to get you through ante 8 on lower stakes

Cris16228,

+chips and +multi? Or X multi? I can try to play with more +chips jokers/cards

rockerface,

Start with +chips and look for an opportunity to get a lot of X multi in one go, if possible. If not, just double down on +chips

Cris16228,

Thanks for your help! I’m going to try it

RincewindThreepwood,
@RincewindThreepwood@lemmy.world avatar

lol. I feel you! My max Ante was 7. Everything after that seems impossible :D

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

The most-satisfying part is when you stumble onto the right Joker combination and realize, “Oh snap, I think this is the one.”

makeshiftreaper,

Conversely the worst is when that happens and a bad boss blind screws your run

RincewindThreepwood,
@RincewindThreepwood@lemmy.world avatar

The worst one I think is the one where you can only play one hand. I hate that one, because in most cases it’s game over for me 😆

makeshiftreaper, (edited )

Generally some good advice is that Balatro is a math game first and foremost so you want to focus on things that raise your score the quickest. So adding chips is ok, adding multiplier is better, and multiplying your total is the best.

For example let’s say you are playing straights and you have a 10-6 with level 3 straights. So you’d have:

10+9+8+7+6=40

(40+90)x10=1300

So let’s compare how jokers impact that score:

Devious joker: +100 chips if you have a straight

(40+90+100)x10=2300

Crazy joker: +12 mult if you have a straight

(40+90)x(10+12)=2860

The order: x3 mult if you have a straight

(40+90)x(10x3)=3900

You can see those are very big differences! It’s also helpful to pay attention to the order of your cards. Generally Balatro cards are scored left to right. The most important thing is to take any card that multiplies any part of your score on the right so you can add as much to the score as possible, then you multiply that number

So in short: multiplier jokers are best, additive multiplier jokers are good, additive chip jokers are ok, and pay attention to the order of your jokers/played cards

sushibowl,

This is basically correct but i would add sometimes it’s better to add chips than to add mult. For example, if your score is something like:


<span style="color:#323232;">10 x 50 = 500
</span>

Adding +50 mult here would give you 10x100=1000 points. Adding +50 chips will give you 60x50=3000 points.

Adding to the lowest of the two numbers improves your score the most. Especially early game, mult is much lower than chips, so you want to improve mult. However once you have some good mult jokers improving chips becomes important. Especially in high card based decks, where you get very few chips from your hand.

If the multiplier jokers come in, the picture can change again. It makes adding mult more valuable because the addition will be multiplied.

BluesF,

One thing to watch out for though, is that if you focus exclusively on mult, eventually the scale tips and chips become more valuable.

You’re always ultimately doing c * m, chips times mult, right? Increasing c by 1 increases your total by…

(c+1)*m - (c*m) = (c + 1 - c) * m = m

And vice versa for increasing m by 1. So, whichever is higher - your total mult or total chips - you should increase the other one. Usually this means increase mult, but building a bit multiplier can quickly make it outpace your chips for some hands.

Bluewall,

How long have you been trying.

cobysev, do games w Coming back to a western open world game H:FW after Elden Ring is a massive whiplash
@cobysev@lemmy.world avatar

I may be in the minority, but I kinda enjoy hearing Aloy muttering to herself throughout the game. Partly because I catch myself doing it all the time, so I don’t feel alone in the practice.

But also because I know the voice actress for Aloy (Ashly Burch) as Ash in the YouTube series, Hey Ash, Whatcha Playin’? and to this day, it’s still amazing to me to hear her speaking so deadpan seriously. I’m used to her Ash character basically being an animated, loudmouthed wildcard, not this dramatic, serious character. And I kind of enjoy knowing that Ashly has a bit of range to her acting; she’s not some kid who repeats the same YouTube personality she became famous for; she can actually act.

detinu,

Omg same. I talk to myself constantly when I need to plan something or do whatever. Might be because I have undiagnosed ADHD/ADD.

I quite enjoyed the game, I did not feel irritated by it.

Rhynoplaz, do games w Unsolvable epic store captcha

Nice try, bot. You’re not getting me to explain what a traffic light is!

Cagi, do games w Are there any good casual/low-stress mobile games that aren't filled with microtransactions?

Pixel Dungeon: Roguelike, infinitely replayable. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.watabou…

Auralux: A simple real time strategy game. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wardrum…

2048: Simple to learn, difficult to master puzzle. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.androbr…

My Boy: A Game Boy Advance emulator (Game files, called ROMs, not included). play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fastemu…

Manos,

I’ll second Pixel Dungeon. It’s the only one I’ve played, but it perfectly fits OP’s reqs.

kevindqc, (edited )

The first link says not found :( maybe not available in Canada? Seems this one is a good replacement, will try it out? play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.shatter…

Other ones say it was made for an old version of Android or incompatible, and can’t be downloaded (I have a pixel 5 with android 14)

Strayce,

Short answer: yes.

Shattered Pixel dungeon is based on pixel dungeon, adds a bunch of new stuff and is reasonably actively developed.

mrvictory1,

Install from computer: adb install --bypass-low-target-sdk-block FILENAME.apkliliputing.com/how-to-install-old-apps-on-android…

mox,

Or the well-maintained and developed derivative:

shatteredpixel.com

f-droid.org/…/com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldu…

B0NK3RS, (edited ) do games w Steam Summer Sale - Top Deals
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

This War of Mine: Complete Edition £26.93 £3.91 (85% off)

In my opinion one of the greatest games but also one of the saddest. If you already own the game then I highly recommend all the DLC as they all bring some interesting scenarios to the game.

freebee,

Played it pirated years ago. Not really looking to play again tbh because it’s so sad, but I’ll buy it discounted for supporting, I back then liked the very original angle of playing with trapped victims instead of army.

MSids,

Your link is to example.com

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

Fixed. Thanks.

naeap, do astronomy w OP: "This is my most advance moon photograph EVER it consist of 81000 images and over 708GB of data." (see comments.)
@naeap@sopuli.xyz avatar

What is it with the blue/violet/red-yellow stuff?

Is this some metallic thing?

fossilesque, (edited )
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Knowing what I know, I am assuming this image was standardised and then normalised (fancy stats algos to keep things in the same visual range) while stitching it together, and the final product enhanced a lot of colouration (saturation). They’re subtle or undetectable to the naked eye, but they exist. They are reflected in the different minerals present. I’ve done this stuff (raster stitching) with different imagery. Op was active in the comments with info, but I didn’t read up on it.

foofiepie,

Pasted from the Reddit thread:

The colors don’t match what a human eye would see, but without going into a philosophy tangent, color is extremely complex and a huge part of what a human sees is your brain doing representations and mapping that isn’t perfectly represented in the physical object being observed. In this photo the saturation has been increased (versus a human eye) because it helps show the geological differences on the lunar surface. The reddish areas are high in iron and feldspar, and the blue-tinted zones have higher titanium content. Instead of thinking of the color as “real” or “fake” it’s probably better to think of it as a tool, to simulate if you were a super human with the ability to adjust saturation and detect metal composition with your eye. Usually when a photo like this is shared by researchers and scientist all this nuance and exposition is included, but then journalist and social media get a hold of it and people start crying “fake” without an understanding of what the image is trying to accomplish. TL;DR - The image isn’t what a human eye would see but it isn’t just art to look cool, the color and modifications have physical meaning and serve a purpose.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Those are great explanations!

Liz,

Yeah when you get into “proper” photography you quickly realize a “real” image is somewhat subjective. This moon is cracked to 1000%, though.

fossilesque,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

It’s true. I did photography as a hobby as a kid and it set me ahead when I started mapping. It’s all the same no matter the domain.

StaySquared,

Excellent explanation. Appreciate you sharing it!

mojofrododojo,
@mojofrododojo@lemmy.world avatar

here’s what I’d like to know: would we perceive any of this pigmentation from the lunar surface?

Pixlbabble, do games w I just want to play my game...

I am not buying Ubisoft games going forwards.

ricdeh,
@ricdeh@lemmy.world avatar

You should have made that decision a long time ago, but you know what they say, better late than never!

FatTony, do games w What are y'all buying on the steam sale?
@FatTony@discuss.online avatar

Well, I was going to buy the Star Wars Battlefront Remaster…

ABCDE,

What happened?

force,

it sucked. i don’t even know how you could get it wrong, but they sure as hell went above and beyond to do it

ABCDE,

Ouch, that’s a shame.

pulaskiwasright,

From what I read, it didn’t even just suck, it was practically fraud. They knew how many sales they had and only stood up enough servers to support around 200 players.

pimeys, do gaming w There is Only One Level Left to be Beaten in Super Mario Maker 1

thab’s been trying to beat “The Last Dance” for a few days already, it’s really fascinating to watch. And even barb finished one level, then said “fuck this garbage” and spent the next days finishing Paper Mario and complaining how boring it is…

It’s been a few good weeks on Twitch…

FilthyHands, do games w Are there any games like Diablo but not Diablo because Diablo?

Grim Dawn

actionjbone,

Grim Dawn is “What if a sequel to Diablo 2, but not Diablo 3?”

yokonzo,

Oh? I’ve only actually played 3 so I have no reference to 2 and what the differences are

mindlight,

Old timer here… Diablo 2 has a story with an atmosphere that sucks you in. In that sense Diablo 3 was a real disappointment.

Now, if you’re going for Diablo 2 it’s the remastered version you want. The game is like 20 years old and not made for widescreen so it really feels dated on a modern screen. Also, prepare for isometric pixel graphics.

loobkoob, (edited )

Grim Dawn also has a mod called Reign Of Terror that lets you play the entirety of Diablo 2 in GD, complete with classes, skills and items! It has some differences because it's built on Grim Dawn's systems, so it has the dual-class system from Grim Dawn (with similarly laid out skill trees), item affixes work like Grim Dawn, etc, but it feels great to play! And you can combine Grim Dawn classes with D2 classes, D2 classes with other D2 classes, or just play the D2 campaign with a regular Grim Dawn build. It's great!

EDIT: spelling

GroteStreet,

Omg how have I not heard about this. I’m blaming you for my lack of social life in the next couple weeks. Not that I have one to begin with.

Godort,

I’ll see you at the end of Act 2 when you remember what a fucking slog Act 3 was and decide you’ve scratched the itch.

I’m now just learning of this too and intend to do the same

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Act 3

Those fucking demon pygmies! Whenever I played necro, I always corpse exploded all of them

Donjuanme,

Thanks for this!

d3Xt3r,

Another option is to get Grim Dawn, and then get the Reign of Terror mod. It’s basically Diablo 2 recreated almost completely + some extra content.

But since you’ve never played Diablo 2, I’d recommend playing it first in some form (D2R or PD2) so you can appreciate the storyline (and the epic cutscenes) - and then play the Grim Dawn mod.

yokonzo,

Grim dawn looks cool aesthetically and I’m liking the UI and how big the skill tree looks. Are any of the expansions any good?

Drusas,

Absolutely. All of the expansions are good, but especially the ones that add extra masteries (classes).

Rinn,

All of them, honestly.

The Crucible is the weakest - it’s just an arena mode, but it’s got a lot of utility for speed leveling new characters + some QoL for existing ones.

Ashes of Malmouth is the direct continuation of the base game’s story, adds Necromancer and Inquisitor which are both very well-loved masteries, and you need it for Forgotten Gods anyway. The zones are a bit meh - great overall mood but you spend a lot of time in cramped corridors.

Forgotten Gods adds Oathkeeper (very fun) and tons of huge new zones with a refreshingly different vibe to the rest of the game. And you can go to this expansion’s zones from the start! (Except that you probably shouldn’t on your first playthrough, you’d get destroyed and you probably want to focus on the main story anyway.)

I’d wait for a sale and get them all if you like this genre, or just base game + AoM if you just want to give it a shot (and technically you could hold off on AoM until you’re close to the end of the campaign).

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

How would you say Titan Quest compares?

toxicbubble,

i only played a little of both. i like titan quest for the story and mythology, but grim dawn seems more refined and modern, it’s actually by the SAME team (today i learned)!

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, that last part I knew, but I started diving into this genre with Titan Quest because the sequel is allegedly coming out this year.

toxicbubble,

forgot about that, I would personally wait for the sequel but the first game is cheap anyway

Davel23,

The Titan Quest sequel is being done by a completely different team, no guarantee it captures the same magic as the original.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

I'm aware, but it will likely be mechanically similar. If it turns out to be a Bloodlines 2 situation, I can always just stick to the first game and Grim Dawn, maybe V Rising. And all of that is assuming that as I spend more time in Titan Quest I still enjoy it.

Deceptichum,
@Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

I enjoyed Titan Quest more, but that may be down to the less grimdark aesthetics. Gameplay wise they’re both fine hack ‘n’ slashes.

FilthyHands,

Haven’t played it. My progression was Diablo 2 -> Torchlight 1 and 2 -> Grim Dawn

Nubbly_The_Moist, do gaming w Are you enjoying Palworld?
@Nubbly_The_Moist@lemmynsfw.com avatar

The gameplay is very good up until level 40 and is definitely one of the more complete early access games.

So far I have not encountered any game breaking bugs, but the game itself does have tons of jank.

Now I am currently level 47, and can say that leveling from 40 to 50 is a hella grind and takes a lot of time and resources. Mainly time, as getting end game pokeballs takes a massive amount of resources that only pals can harvest, process, and then craft.

Also, the end game bosses are quite beefy and hit like a truck.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

That’s good to know. I haven’t felt the grind yet (level 20) but maybe level 40-something is where the devs’ early access content plateaued.

KoboldCoterie,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

For what it’s worth, if you customize the difficulty of your game (which you can do at any point, including after reaching the 40s), you can change most things, including resource drop rates and how much effort it takes to mine them, xp rates, Pal encounter rates, capture rates, etc.

I had a similar experience as you; by the time I hit 42 or so, I had the capture power maxed out, and most eggs were not giving me anything interesting, and I had the whole map revealed, so exploring had lost its luster and I was not enjoying the thought of grinding out another 6-8 levels to start being able to tackle some of the harder challenges in the game; I set the XP rate to x4, and doubled the resource rates, and it pretty much solved the problem for me.

Obviously if you’re playing on a server this isn’t an option, but if it’s just your own single player game, consider trying it; you might find some settings that smooth it out for you.

50gp,

yes id recommend turning on double resources or you will go mad mining thousands of ore and coal

SinAdjetivos,

If you build a base on/near a bunch of ore nodes and dedicate it entirely to mining your pals will mine it for you and it respawns daily (passive ore generation ftw!!!)

KoboldCoterie,
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

There is a fairly nice base location near the center of the map that has ~6 coal and ~6 ore nodes, and is on a plateau making it functionally immune to NPC raids. I found it completely accidentally; there’s the 3 wildlife sanctuaries around the outside of the map and they all face inward at different angles, so I was trying to triangulate where they were “pointing” to see if it was leading somewhere. Turns out it was leading to a sweet base location.

This is noteworthy because there’s 4 resources (ore, coal, sulfur and quartz), so you need a base with access to 2 of them if you want to have all 4 generating passively.

Rolder,

For end game, how do you think the spheres feel? Cause I swear to god the ultra and legend spheres have bugged capture rates; no way I am getting the percentages those things advertise.

Nubbly_The_Moist, (edited )
@Nubbly_The_Moist@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Lol, I know what you mean. Those legendary spheres say like 80-90% but it feels like a coin flip most of the time. I have had so many fail at like 95%.

I also noticed they tend to tick slower.

tacosanonymous,
@tacosanonymous@lemm.ee avatar

One of the things they stole from Pokémon is the idea that 70% is really more like 30%

520, do gaming w I banned my kid from Roblox.... what next?

Minecraft is pretty good for this kind of stuff, especially Java Edition (has mods, and loooooads of servers, some of which also use mods to drastically alter the gameplay. You can also host your own, free of charge).

WetBeardHairs,

Yeah I prefer the java version, myself. But my kid doesn’t have a pc just yet - he’s limited to consoles and ipad for now.

pacoboyd,

If you want to get them something low level cheap, AMD small form factor pcs with integrated Radeon can be had for cheap (easily under $200 if you are patient). One of my kid plays on one of these and with a few performance mods on minecraft does 30fps just fine.

WetBeardHairs,

Even raspberry pi 4/5 are amazingly capable of playing minecraft 1080p. I wonder how much better linux gaming support there is on those now since the steamdeck has been a success…

CubitOom, do gaming w Players who don't like survival games as a genre: Which survival games are your personal exceptions, which ones have you enjoyed nonetheless and why?
@CubitOom@infosec.pub avatar

Minecraft

navi,
@navi@lemmy.tespia.org avatar

Rule 1: don’t dig straight down.

Rule 2: the first night must always be hiding in a dirt hole.

CubitOom,
@CubitOom@infosec.pub avatar

I like to build a dirt structure with an open block window pointing to the sun so I know when it’s safe to come out. Assuming I can’t find sheep.

Making a tree house is nice too.

leave_it_blank, do games w Good gaming experiences with no HUD?

Dead Space. Ammunition is displayed on your weapon, health and stasis on your suit.

Prey 2016 also displayed your ammo on your gun, but had traditional health bars (it was an fpp game after all).

But I like a good HUD if it’s implemented in the story, like Cyberpunk where it’s a part of your augmented eyes, like an advanced Google lens. Doom did the same with the helmet.

Regarding GTA V, I never got to know the city well enough to play without a map. That fucking town was just to big for me. But I remember Vice City, I knew the map in and out, and playing without a map was fun!

PolishAndrew,

Oooo I forgot about dead space, that’s a good one! Cyberpunk and prey are on my list!

MentalEdge, (edited ) do gaming w Valve needs to step up on Anti-Cheat
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Cheats will only grow more advanced, at some point you’ll be able to train an AI to play exactly like a human, but while performing perfectly far more reliably than a human.

The line between what skill looks like versus cheating will only get blurrier.

The real long term solution is to enable the vetting of players (not by the game company or god forbid the government, looking at you china), by returning to community based servers/private matches. And to have reports dealt with faster and by people who care about the game personally.

As a member of the Northstar community, cheating is basically a solved problem for us atm.

There is no anti-cheat, instead a global ban tracking system was put in place and server admins are now able to share the identities of players who have been caught cheating, banning them on every server, regardless of who is running them, by the hosts simply opting into the global ban system.

People used to form “gaming-clans” in order to find people to play games with to begin with, and that structure for a community around a game is likely to become relevant again simply to be able to fill matches with people who you can be sure are honest players.

dino,

server admins are now able to share the identities of players who have been caught cheating, banning them on every server, regardless of who is running them, by the hosts simply opting into the global ban system.

By which information? I have no clue what Northstar is, but if you ban by IP or MAC, its pointless.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

EA account ID. Northstar is the community modded version of Titanfall 2.

xep,

It's cat and mouse when it comes to banning, even with hwid signatures the cheaters are able to use sophisticated spoofing techniques. Also there are side effects like legitimate players buying second hand pcs that have been banned.

gk99,

People used to form “gaming-clans” in order to find people to play games with to begin with, and that structure for a community around a game is likely to become relevant again simply to be able to fill matches with people who you can be sure are honest players.

Unlikely imo, because modern game devs have been killing the viability of that for years. User-hosted servers are gone, crossplay is reliant on SBMM to be realistically possible, and private matches often block players from receiving XP and rewards because they’re worried about FOMO and people getting too much fun without spending enough. Even CSGO got an update in the months leading up to CS2 where they removed the ability to earn drops on community servers, driving another nail into the coffin as one of the last kinds of these games that still retain the mere ability to run servers of our own.

MentalEdge, (edited )
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

While that’s all true, the day you can just fire up an undetectable AI to play for you, and all the matchmaking queues are flooded with people doing the same… Players are going to beg for the ability to not just team up with people they know, but play against people they know.

Maybe that wont be privately hosted servers, or even fully custom matches, but when cheaters become indistinguishable from the highly skilled, forming even the most basic community bonds in order to find people to play with will be preferable to matching with randos.

For similar reasons people already prefer to team up with someone they know, as opposed to a stranger they might have to carry. People will want to be able to pick who they go up against, as well.

Once the cheaters win, (and they will) the first game to figure out a system to let players do this, WILL be a better experience than current matchmaking algos.

Edit: An example of a game that kinda already does this is Elite: Dangerous. There are two main modes, open and solo, in open you can run into all other players also playing in open, that means you might have to defend yourself against other players.

But, if you want to avoid PvP, but still want to run into other players, you’re in luck! Because there is a third option, private groups. When in a private group, the game works as if you’re in open, but you can only see other players who are in the same group. Meaning other players who also do not want to engage in PvP.

Mobius is likely the largest such group, essential it’s a giant clan of non-PvPers who play the game together. Something similar could absolutely be done for other games, where smaller communities can then vet their members and get rid of players who break the rules.

lukas,
@lukas@lemmy.haigner.me avatar

There is no anti-cheat, instead a global ban tracking system was put in place and server admins are now able to share the identities of players who have been caught cheating, banning them on every server, regardless of who is running them, by the hosts simply opting into the global ban system.

A global ban system without a more nuanced approach is a terrible idea. Operators of that global ban system will whitelist themselves, blacklist people they hate, and maybe even backdoor the mod that enables them to ban people in the first place. Server admins have no choice but to either opt into the entire system or have none at all, and both of these options suck. We’ve seen how this plays out already.

Score players by your own criteria, weight everything with different blacklists, greylists and whitelists, etc. and ban players if they exceed a threshold automatically. It won’t be perfect, but email catches most spam emails that way just fine.

MentalEdge, (edited )
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It’s open source.

No choice? I can still apply my own bans on top no matter what the mod does. Spyglass isn’t what enables bans, it just makes them networked and tracked. And I could modify the mod to work however I like, or even fork the whole thing and make my own database.

That’s not been necessary as Erlite has been maintaining the spyglass mod and database with integrity.

There’s no chokehold here, no problems have arisen, and if they do, only then are additional solutions warranted. I’m not suggesting this is the final solution for all games, but that this kind of community driven counter-cheater work, is.

Cheating is being treated as a tech problem with a technological solution, when really it’s a social problem which should be solved with inter-social solutions.

lukas, (edited )
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I didn’t describe what could happen, but what did happen in real life. Multiple times.

MCBans is open-source btw, yet nobody checked and changed the source code, as should be expected really. Operators whitelisted alts and friends. Blacklisted server owners who didn’t appreciate that the operators of their global ban list griefed their servers with backdoors.

Another typical example is 3rd-party Discord ban lists. They whitelist their own staff. They backdoor their bots to fuck around with servers. It’s just the reality of global ban lists.

If Erlite doesn’t abuse that trust, then someone with admin access will, or Erlite’s successor. That’s a fact, not an opinion. Email spam filters prevent single trust lists with scores, multiple lists, etc.

MentalEdge, (edited )
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I’m not denying any part of what you’re saying, I’m saying that this specific case is currently working fine, and that it is merely an example of the kinds of solutions I want to see enabled.

Obviously the bigger the community, the more complex the solution needs to be, and the more bases have to be covered. You’re nitpicking a specific example I gave (and doing so from a position of ignorance concerning northstar and its community), rather than my ideological thesis. Which is that communities should be empowered with social structure so that cheaters can be properly ostracized. Spyglass is just one way for a community to implement that.

Northstar isn’t big enough to even begin to compare with discord or minecraft. The concurrent playercount on all servers put together seldom matches ONE big minecraft server.

If the factors you bring up become a concern, I’m ready to pick up the tools to deal with it myself, as I’ve already done before. But so far, there has been no need.

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