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jjjalljs, do games w Founder of Arkane Studios: "I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade"; impacts sales

Game pass was always going to be bad for consumers, and probably bad for smaller orgs. The problem is people are short sighted and don’t care.

Like with Walmart moving into a neighborhood. People are like oh it’s so much cheaper than the local shops! And then those get priced out of business and Walmart raises prices and lowers salary. People won’t or can’t think ahead

skisnow,

Absolutely. Every indicator available suggests Enshittification will hit the subscription models within the next few years.

couldhavebeenyou,

Riding the subsidized waves until the point of enshittification and then dumping it faster than a hot turd is what makes the shareholder cry

PixxlMan,

Just be careful that irrecoverable damage hasn’t been dealt to the game industry and traditional distribution methods by the point that the enshittification starts. What I’m really concerned about is that Microsoft will do everything in their power to smash the current games industry to bits and then rule the ashes. The games industry will end up smaller and worse off, but Microsoft still makes more money since they control a larger share even if the pie shrinks and shrivels.

Korhaka,

I thought subscriptions were enshittification, you mean it gets even worse?

Don_alForno,

Enshittification is the process of squeezing money out of both sides of the transaction after you have built a sufficient customer and supplier base with initially attractive offerings that were possibly made at a loss.

First the service is great for consumers (and likely bleeding money). People flock to it.

Then they use that consumer base to lure more suppliers to the platform. Phase two. The service is great for suppliers because it means easy access to a big customer base.

When both a lot of customers and a lot of suppliers are using the platform they start making changes that redirect revenue from both sides to the platform itself. Prices increase, fees for suppliers increase or their cut decreases, maybe they have to sign that they won’t sell under a certain price elsewhere, customers can’t use all things on the platform anymore without paying extra, they introduce ads, maybe exclusives, that stuff. Customers won’t leave because they are used to the platform, there are network effects (all my friends use it), sunk cost fallacies (I have paid them x dollars over the years and if I leave I keep nothing for it) in the case of gamepass they have maybe stopped buying games elsewhere and wouldn’t have a library at all if they lost access. Suppliers won’t leave because the customer base is huge and they have no other simple way to reach those customers. Both are the literal frog in slowly boiling water. “What’s a few more bucks a month, what’s a little additional ad before my game loads, what’s a few more % to MS when the alternative is losing all those customers”. That’s the enshittification part.

Prox,

What’s “short” about the short-sightedness, though? I’ve been a Game Pass subscriber for something like 8 years and it’s still crushing it as far as services go - probably moreso now than any year prior.

Will it last / remain a good deal forever? Nope. But nothing does/is. Might as well enjoy the great variety of games I’d never purchase (like Blue Prince, Arcade Paradise, Shipbreaker, South of Midnight, Expedition 33, etc.) along with the convenience of access to games I totally would pay for (like THPS 1+2, Gears, Diablo, etc.). Plus the built-in rewards subsidize like 1/4 of the cost.

When (not “if”, when) they jack up the price to a point that’s not worth the games or I don’t have enough time to play to justify the spend, I’ll just cancel.

jjjalljs,

If you had been buying games you’d have a library 🤷

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

i get the feeling gamepass gives you access to the library of games that my library has. fantastic if your library doesn’t have video games or you have difficulty getting out of the house, but i love my local library

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,

What’s “short” about the short-sightedness, though?

Gamepass attacks the developers, not the consumers.

MyDarkestTimeline01, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

The only choice it really limits from the publisher is the choice to decide to stop supporting a game out of nowhere. This new plan would just make it so you have to eventually plan to sunset the game from its “live” elements.

Endymion_Mallorn,
@Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org avatar

It also means there will never be another F2P game. They have to make their money upfront from every user. They can't just turn it off when the profit slows and/or stops.

moody,

Genshin Impact is a F2P game that makes stupid amounts of money. If it stopped making money, they could very well just stop developing for it and let it be as it is.

MITM0, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

First of all, the devs don’t have any choice, the Pencil-pushers do

Redfugee, do gaming w [Ended] [Steam Key Giveaway] 3x Stardew Valley to give away

I wasn’t able to play it because my PC wasn’t powerful enough, but now I finally upgraded to something from this decade so now I’m good.

henfredemars, do gaming w Don't touch me with that stuff

It’s like how IT people don’t trust printers.

NaibofTabr,

Do you know someone who does trust printers?

DragonTypeWyvern,

Suckers and normies

aviationeast,

I laughed, you laughed, the printer laughed. I shot the printer so the hacker just pivoted to the smart thermostat.

OminousOrange,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah those get put on the no internet access network.

henfredemars,

The last printer I bought I returned because it said Internet access is mandatory to complete the set up.

I tried temporarily turning it on but as soon as I disconnected it after a couple days it would tell me I have to reconnect to continue printing.

mechoman444, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ya…

Surp, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Good so that means they won’t pre plan bullshit games that are money grabs destined to fail. Go fuck yourselves companies that do that.

PartyAt15thAndSummit, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

1.2 million as of now. So fucking proud to be European.

Toneswirly, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Lol publishers curtail developer choice, gtfo

Deestan, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Muh business model :'(

EmptySlime, do gaming w Don't touch me with that stuff

If I can’t install it myself I ain’t getting it. All those other Rippers are third rate hacks I wouldn’t trust to chip a fucking corpse choomba.

nesc,

Aren’t they actually third rate hacks in universe and install whatever with close to zero clue on what they actually doing?

EmptySlime,

My understanding of the actual tabletop lore is that basically for every decent ripper you’re likely to encounter as a player there’s easily a dozen that are like what you describe.

RickyRigatoni,
@RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com avatar

…is that where they get the ripper part of their title?

EmptySlime,

Nah I assume that’s from the part of the job where they rip old bits out to put shiny new chrome in.

MentalEdge, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

You are being stopped from stopping people playing their games.

That’s a double negative bruh, as in, it reduces overrall limitations in the world for what people are allowed to do.

leftzero, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Of course it’s limiting your options!

Screwing up the customer should not be an option you’re allowed to take!

rustyfish, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Even if this would be true (which it isn’t, it’s made up bullshit): I do not give a crap.

No, I do not care about the publisher.

No, I do not care about the studio.

No, I do not care about the developer anymore too.

I do not give a single fuck about any of them anymore. I want to own the game I buy. I don’t want anyone being able to pull the plug. I also want to own the hardware or console I buy. I am ready to watch their existence to crumble as long as I get what I want.

These people lied and conned this hobby of mine into monetised shite. I hope a lot of them somehow crash and burn. Would laugh and dance when they croak. I can play Factorio and Terraria until the heat death of the universe. Your new Assassins Blood Pack: Revenge of the Fortnite 2 Deluxe Bundle MMO-Life Service Definitive Expansion Season Pass DLC Dark of the Moon Surprise Mechanic won’t be missed anyway.

i_love_FFT,
@i_love_FFT@jlai.lu avatar

I don’t care about publishers.

I don’t care about studios.

One of my friend is a game developer in a big studio, he basically breathes game mechanics. He develops new mechanics in his spare time, repurposing board game elements he owns. He would do that even if it wasn’t his job. He’s awesome

I do care about developers.

youngalfred, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact

Choice to do what?

These are their two points:

Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable. In addition, many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only; in effect, these proposals would curtail developer choice by making these video games prohibitively expensive to create.

I feel like the first is fair enough at the moment, but with accompanying laws it could be resolved. Eg once a developer enacts an end of life plan, their legal culpability is removed. Plus give the right tools for moderation and the community can take care of it.

Second is just a cop out I think. “Many titles are designed from the ground up to be online only” - that’s the whole point. It’s not retroactive, so you don’t need to redesign an existing game. But going forward you would need to plan for the eventual end of life. Developers have chimed in that it can be done.

nous,

once a developer enacts an end of life plan, their legal culpability is removed What legal culpability? If you are not hosting anything then you wont be liable for anything. It is not like if you create a painting and someone defaces it with something that you become liable for that… That would be insane.

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