At the workplace if anybody says “we’ve always done it this way” during a meeting where we tackle a problem, that means it’s time to change the hubris because it clearly doesn’t work for us anymore.
Right. It’s a system of economic exchange, not a moral position. There are ways around this system, but they’re time consuming and annoying to accomplish. So the vendors tend to take the path of least resistance when setting their internal policies. You were taught about Free Markets as this perfect, frictionless vacuum of interactions between buyers and sellers, but it doesn’t work that way and never did.
For some reason, people seem to confuse being naive and gullible with being moral and upstanding.
Did PayPal actually make valve remove them or did PayPal just say they didn’t want to provide payment processors for them and valve couldn’t be bothered to come up with a solution?
I can’t see why Paypal would care one way or the other if the games were available on the platform as long as PayPal don’t have to process the payment.
Luckly I. can buy anime porn games straight from source dev. Just checked and my Treasure Hunter Claire is still in my library, so guess this affects only unbought games? But I also bought the game direct too.
I don’t care about incest specifically, but I have to wonder where they’re drawing the line and why. If the games are depicting consenting adults, and only adults can download them, I don’t see the harm.
Did they target incest because it’s “icky?” What if they decide other perfectly legal things are icky? Shouldn’t legality be the line?
It’s not illegal to depict incest, the same as it is not illegal to depict many types of acts that many would consider immoral or even acts that are explicitly illegal, like bestiality, necrophilia, or rape. There might be an argument for regulating content that depicts illegal acts on the grounds that it normalizes or potentially glorifies these acts, but that isn’t likely the reason for this. I think it is mostly a corporate choice and partially a legal issue.
I am against this partially because it is arbitrary but mostly because I don’t like a precedent set towards banning things on moral grounds.
Right, that would be you arguing moral grounds. If you were to argue that Nazis are covered under hate speech, that is fine because hate speech is illegal. There’s the difference, right? Depicting Nazis isn’t illegal (in most places), and could be allowed, but hate speech is illegal.
Paypal and other payment processors are wellknown to set up arbitrary rules. They held the money of an 100% legal and fine erotica author hostage for months, for example. Incest games vanishing is just step 1 of their censorship.
And next they will come for other labels deemed “against the rules” without elaborating. Porn is the canary. You can “lol incest” but this is about taking down what folks cant argue with first then the next will be porn at all, then queer stuff, just like tumblr
Yeah, but I like paying people to make things, and it’s not their fault. This will ultimately mean less of these things get made. For incest games, that’s no great loss, but I hate the precedent.
Because many "players" are refunding after a fap, which is logged and reviewed. Also, suspicious or new transactions are often flagged and reviewed. So a lot of such side content is being pushed in front of the banks and payment processors by horny clients who unwittingly expose their kinks.
Seem like an easy solution would be to have certain transactions be nonrefundable.
I say easy, but I guess it would involve quite a bit of software changes, and then you’d also have to deal with angry customers who ignored numerous warnings that a purchase would be final.
That’s even less consumer friendly. If you purchase a game and it turns out to be shovelware that barely works and has a bunch of gamed reviews on the store page? Oh too bad sap, you got conned this is non-refundable.
Consumers had to fight for games that do refundable, I don’t think we should be quick to consider loopholes.
I can’t imagine buying a porn game on Steam. And even if I did, incest holds no interest to me.
Even so, I absolutely fucking hate this crap. Payment processors are killing off content despite the producers and consumers of the content being completely fine with it. This should be a Net Neutrality issue. But I’m not seeing anywhere near the same outrage over it that there was over ISPs doing the exact same thing.
I remember someone had a reply on something that touched on incest porn and they where like. I see it all the time but when you put in blond big boobed blowjob and the title is mom son its like who cares or such. So much porn seems to just get relabeled when it comes to incest porn. This is now a brother and sister or mom/son or father/daughter. It is wierd how that seemed to just blow up in popularity. I mean I think its been that way for a few years but I swear I did not see so much like pre covid.
I think it has blown up in popularity because many more people nowadays have divorced parents and grew up in a blended family. I bet many guys have fantasized about fucking their step mom or older step sister and I bet even dads have fantasized about fucking the oldest step daughter who was already an adult when he married her mother.
You do realize that step family aren’t blood relatives right? A horny teenager who met his older step sister for the first time when he was 15 end she 17 doesn’t have a familial bond with her, it’s just another hot girl for him. So nothing Alabama about that.
One theory I heard is that during Covid, the outside world became scary and strangers unattainable. So the only accessible women are the ones that live with you. In many scenarios, people are step-siblings just to explain away why does a shut-in guy have a hot girl in his home.
My theory is that it’s because people who are into it must be really into it, but people who aren’t into it are very good at ignoring the fact that it’s titled like that or that there might be one or two throwaway lines implying it (especially when it’s “step”). So there’s an incentive for uploaders to title things like that and for creators to add a little nod in the video towards it (without adding too much incest roleplay) because it draws in a large audience and actively turns away very few.
Kind of cuts both ways though, doesn’t it? The reverse of this argument is saying that the payment processors must work with Valve no matter what they host. Agree it disagree with them, but don’t the payment processors get a say in what they do or do not want to process?
No, they should have zero say because they have weaseled themselves into a position that is the equivalent of a utility or whatever ISP are classified as. Their only involvement is whether they complete transactions between parties in a legal way.
I mean, when your service is fundamental enough to the economy, and centralized enough to make just going to an alternative a major hassle, if an alternative without a similar policy even exists, then why should they get that say? The power to effectively ban the sale of certain types of thing, or force media platforms to censor certain types of content, is the sort of power we generally reserve for governments, not private entities that can do whatever they want. Honestly they’re important enough these days that they should basically be treated like some sort of public utility in my view.
Well as long as they are independent businesses, why shouldn’t they?
If your argument seems to be “they are too crucial to be independent businesses,” I don’t think we’d disagree too much, but the fact is that they are right now.
I don’t think that businesses, not being individuals, should actually have the same rights as individuals I guess. I don’t really agree with the idea that a corporation should be able to do whatever it likes by default, simply because I think corporations in general have too much power to be trusted with such.
It was more like hyperbole on my part, I was using as a catch all for whatever kinds of things a business could abuse it’s position by doing. I didn’t want to just say “be able to do businesses or not do business with whoever they want”, because I wanted to say something more broad than just applying to payment processors, even if choosing not to do business with someone and thereby shutting them out of much of the economy is the way a payment processor would do this .
Sure, but there are so few payment processors that even a single one refusing to do business with you can be a real problem for a business. Even Valve, a big and influential company, has little choice but to capitulate to PayPal. Visa and Mastercard have even more power.
There are too many problems with crypto for it to be a viable alternative, but there’s no good way for me to pay a business (when cash isn’t an option) that doesn’t require the involvement of a third party. Limited competition means those third parties have too much power. I don’t know what it is, but there has to be a solution for that.
Agree it disagree with them, but don’t the payment processors get a say in what they do or do not want to process?
Absolutely not. Power companies don’t get a say in what the power they supply their users with is used for, same for water companies and even ISPs. If they really, really want to enforce rules on what they will and will not process payments for, they can accept legal responsibility when they process a payment on a gun someone uses to shoot up a school or what have you. But they cant have it both ways.
Power and water are public utilities (as is internet, in some parts of the world but not all). Payment processing is not. If you want to argue that it should be, we’d likely agree.
They may not be de jure be public utilities but they are de facto public utilities. It is essentially impossible to live in society without them, and outside their collusionist cabal there are no real alternatives.
In the US at least, they actually do, in many cases. If you are in a drought region, your water utilities can be shut off if you’re wasting it all on watering a lawn or filling a swimming pool, for example. ISPs cut people off all the time for torrenting, sometimes even if it’s not pirated content (though it was ruled not long ago that ISPs aren’t utilities anyways).
They’re saying that is the reverse argument, not the state of things today. As in, the only solution to the above would be to force payment processors to do business with anyone and everyone.
This doesn’t directly affect me, either, but does anyone know if it applies to all of the Interactive Sex - Futanari Incest DLC, too!? For Episodes 1-4!? Like, if any of my friends have large amounts of FutaCoinz from years of Season Passes, I wonder if they’ll still be able to spend them…?
every time games let you do things like this for “quality of life” it’s basically dead to me, at that point why the fuck are you even playing the game? hey all of this running around on the football field is annoying, let’s just roll a dice to decide who scores a goal
I second the general sentiment but…if it’s look wise, I don’t have such a hard feeling. Transmog is a bit much, but there are ways around like at least two sets of armor slots.
But overall yeah. People kinda seem hating playing games today. But also I too would be tired if 90% of games is grind…
Ah no I love rare, almost non existant battle gear vs casual gear mode easily swappable.
To be fair there’s probably a big unexplored gap in games when it comes to stats and gear, there’s something to be said about the fact you don’t wear the same clothes all the time, and you don’t do errands in full armour.
I’m not talking going full simulation there, but it’s objectively silly and disconnected to have a grounded world, like the witcher, and accepting that wearing a certain hat makes you fisically stronger.
If you don’t like it just don’t use this feature, it doesn’t even give an unfair advantage. It’s like complaining that Arthur Morgan can go get a haircut in RDR2
It doesn’t make quests easier, your analogy is bad.
I like when gear selection has impact and choice in my roleplaying games.
If you choose to value aesthetically pleasing characters you should just accept you’ll be playing with the non-optimal stats.
The ability to bypass this by transferring stats between items so you can have optimal build does make the game easier.
Ideally game developers and artists should be including ways to have balanced gear stats and aesthetics, but transmog and the like is just lazy on their part.
The ability to bypass this by transferring stats between items so you can have optimal build does make the game easier.
I could use those items either way but they are unaesthetic. I cannot comprehend your POV on this. It doesn’t hurt you, doesn’t make your game worse it just gives an option to the people who want it.
I agree with you, if equipment is just cosmetic, then at the end of the day why even bother with equipment at all? Just have cosmetics without stats and leave it at that.
I think fallout does a good job of this with having hazmat suits that help with rad, or “cool” attire that helps with bartering. The idea is that the design should complement the stats.
Any game that allows for a significant amount of visual customisation should have some sort of transmog system. Having to look like a clown for optimal stats is never a fun or enjoyable gameplay experience, while on the other hand feeling like you look awesome adds so much.
This is the main reason I cheat ballistic weave on everything in fallout 4. I love some of the outfits and it’s dumb that they’re worse than the vault suit.
I’m not a fan of it either tbh. It’s practices are predatory and honestly I feel like game developer on there get away with way too many things that normal developers would get a lot of flak for. I’d be down to do it for a one off joke, but honestly even then I’d be a little hesitant because I feel like I’d still be promoting it even if it’s meant to be a little joke
I like the way Cyberpunk did it in the end - you have your items to equip but also a wardrobe outfit that is visible. So you could equip the ugly ass powerful helmet but look like you had the cool shades on instead. Or appeaf naked if you really wanted.
None of the clothing matters for stats in 2.0+ of cyberpunk. Like the helmets are 25 armor at orange quality. That much armor only affects your character at less than level 10. At higher levels all your stats come from talent points and cyberware. Like my character at level 60 has 1450 armor. The 25 from a helmet or flak vest is negligible. This allows you to wear whatever gear you want to look good.
You don’t have to worry about outfits at all which is great since there are only like a dozen outfits in the game and half are just hazmat suits. Just wear the clothes you want and keep your armor cyberware up to date.
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