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GerardsGuitar, do games w Day 488 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
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I love that there’s a cat in the game!

Kissaki, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of November 16th

Grapple Dog, was gifted to me via giveaway. It’s pretty good, a decent enough title.

webghost0101, do gaming w a Landscape of Knowledge Games

Not enough learn action adventure games to my liking.

Definitely checking every single one of these though.

nekusoul,
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Agree. Outer Wilds is my favorite game and all the others in that section aren’t far behind.

That is, except for Ultros, which is a game I’ve heard about before but didn’t know it belonged in this category of games. I guess I know what I have to check out next.

prole, do gaming w a Landscape of Knowledge Games

Give me more games like Animal Well, please.

KoboldCoterie, do gaming w a Landscape of Knowledge Games
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Well, thanks for bringing Epigraph to my attention!

DarrinBrunner, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders
@DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world avatar

We could, you know, just wait and see.

ducks

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@lemmy.world avatar

WHY YOU LITTLE…

someguy3,

… Duck… Goose.

n0respect,

Duck Game? Goose Game? OMG … Duck Duck Goose Game! I will be a billionaire

sugar_in_your_tea,

Worked for Goose Goose Duck!

Zoot,
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Grey duck*

SeductiveTortoise,
@SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social avatar

but… I want it now?

PumaStoleMyBluff,

If you don’t have a rigid and openly hostile opinion within 3 seconds of a new product announcement, you are an anti-capitalist commie!!

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

But will the new valve hardware help fill the empty pit in my chest?

sugar_in_your_tea,

Sure, if you eat it.

echodot,

I would be happy to wait and see but idiots online keep trying to insist it’ll be $2,000 even though the hardware isn’t close to worth that much. Some of these people are big influencers and really should know better.

ClassifiedPancake, (edited )

So what exactly does that change? Valve already decided the price and that is what you will have to pay. Who cares what anyone ever predicted?

tburkhol,

I want it to be a successful product, that I can buy, and will be supported for a useful number of years. $800-1200 feels OK for that. $2000 feels like Apple Vision territory.

Jesus, man: haven’t you ever been excited about a thing before it’s on shelves? Speculated about a sports game before it’s over? Talking about your anticipation is part of the fun.

echodot,

There are people online who are wrong. I can’t just ignore that, they must be told why they are wrong.

Seriously though it’s a good idea to correct people when they make stupid baseless claims because other people won’t necessarily have the technical understanding to judge whether their claims are based on reality or not.

Many of the people who are doing this are YouTube or Instagram personalities with lots of children following them, I like this product and want it to succeed, and I don’t want children to lose interest in the idea because their favourite idiot instagrammer reckons it’ll cost an absurd amount of money.

I’m utterly confused about why you are upset that people are doing that. There’s absolutely no need for you to engage in it.

ClassifiedPancake,

Valve will have a good enough overview on the situation and if they think it will hurt sales they can simply make a statement. They can handle it.

It’s interesting to discuss about the price but being upset about „idiots“ who have wrong ideas and playing hero for a multi billion dollar corporation is something I’m confused about.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Nah, it’ll probably be $800-1k. It’s basically a 7600 CPU + RX7600 GPU or whatever, and it’s not really upgradeable. So somewhere between the Series S and X in performance, and not subsidized by game sales.

HollowNaught, do games w Would you like to playtest a new indie game? Just completed first playable version of my psychological horror/moral choice simulation.
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

…would I be able to get in on the playtest?

0li0li, do gaming w Make the case for Half Life 3

Well, I consider Alyx to be HL3, given how well they embraced VR’s strenghts and limitations.

frongt, do games w Gaming Laptop with Linux Preinstalled and 32GB+ RAM?

Dell offers Ubuntu on some models.

You might get better answers in a Linux community, since that’s the focus of your question.

happeningtofry99158,

Yeah good point, is there a laptop or computer community on lemmy?

sugar_in_your_tea,

There’s a Linux gaming community, that’s probably where you’d get a better answer.

shiroininja, do games w Pokémon Lazarus: When a Fan Game Becomes a Conversation

The game is a an amazing romHack, and well done. And if the flags bother you that much…well you’re an emotional child.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

if the flags bother you that much…well you’re an emotional child.

Nah, children don’t cry when they see rainbows.

shiroininja,

True

vk6flab, do games w Gaming Laptop with Linux Preinstalled and 32GB+ RAM?
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

What is your budget?

What size do you want?

What screen resolution?

Which GPU?

And if you want warranty, which country are you in?

happeningtofry99158,

“What is your budget?”

around $1,400 USD

“What size do you want?”

Any normal size.

“What screen resolution?”

Any, as long as it’s not 720p.

“Which GPU?”

As good as possible, but I’m fine with something reasonably priced. I just need to play Cyberpunk 2077 on medium or high settings at around 90 FPS.

“And if you want warranty, which country are you in?”

I don’t need a warranty.

A_Random_Idiot, do games w Pokémon Lazarus: When a Fan Game Becomes a Conversation

bigots crying about shit is such fucking bullshit, because you know their porn search history is filled with everything they publicly seethe and hate

Tywele, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

I‘m always amazed at the amount of people believing the Steam Machine will be sold for the same or less than the most expensive version of the Steam Deck while being six times as powerful.

TheMinions,

I’m fully expecting an 800+ USD price tag. And I’ve made my peace with that.

snooggums,

That's my average, but wouldn't be super surprised if it was up to $1000 due to tariff and AI shenanigans

TheMinions,

Really I’m just hoping it’s not much more than a PS5 Pro or Xbox Series X.

I don’t want either of those, but would love a gaming PC, but don’t have time to build or have the money to shop one really.

So this is a really good above middle ground, assuming it’s less than 1k.

echodot,

The other problem is that the tariffs could be totally different by the time it releases. I fully suspect that the tariffs are the reason that we haven’t got a price yet.

It would be funny if it is noticeably more expensive in the US though like with the Switch 2.

Anissem,
@Anissem@lemmy.ml avatar

Please Valve take my moneys

Deconceptualist,

Just playing devil’s advocate here. I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but there are some interesting factors at play.

  1. The Steam Machine won’t need a screen or battery, two of the most expensive components on the Deck. So that can go into better CPU/GPU/RAM instead.
  2. Valve proved they can make a successful physical hardware product with the deck. That gives them a lot of negotiating power with AMD to get the best deal they can.
  3. Unlike with the Deck, they’re releasing three new gadgets in almost all major countries simultaneously. That means they may have already started manufacturing months ago, and are benefiting from economy of scale at an entirely new level.
themurphy,

Steam Machine is also bigger. Small costs money if you want powerfull.

Also, it’s newer hardware.

I think it will be priced at least a 100€ above the Deck, but I would also be willing to pay that for a console/living room computer.

ipkpjersi,

It’s newer hardware in a bigger form factor.

It should be 6x as powerful, that shouldn’t be a surprise.

Tywele,

The power is not a surprise because they said how powerful it will be. I never said anything to the contrary?

ipkpjersi,

Sure, I should have clarified not surprised by the power or the price.

It makes sense that as more and more power becomes available, the price doesn’t necessarily have to increase.

Computers (especially CPUs/GPUs/SOCs etc) are becoming more and more powerful all the time, and more and more efficient all the time. It doesn’t mean that the price of them has to rise.

The fact that it’s 6 times as powerful doesn’t mean it should be more expensive than the most expensive version of the Steam Deck. The fact that it’s 6 times as powerful should be entirely expected, given the fact that it’s newer with a larger form factor (meaning that it may not be as limited in terms of heat etc)

Hopefully this is a detailed enough comment to clearly explain my thoughts on this.

dukemirage, do games w Pokémon Lazarus: When a Fan Game Becomes a Conversation

It is one of those modern Pokemon hacks that are just ludicrously hard, or is it casually enjoyable?

LucidNightmare,

You can make it as easy or as hard as you want!

It comes with documentations for the game and the mechanics. One of those has some cheats you can put in to play your way. Their previous romhack Emerald Seaglass was the same way.

Highly recommend both!

chunes,

To add to what the other commenter said, there is a hard mode that is off by default. It seems more aimed at reasonable difficulty.

warmaster, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

Cost aside. If they don’t price it competitively between the Xbox and the PS5, the Steam Machine will be DOA.

The Deck is a perfect example of what they should try to replicate. If they don’t do that, it will flop.

RicoBerto,

It’s a small computer, it isnt going after the Xbox or PS5 customers. It’s going for the people who want a computer in their living room.

Arcane2077,

This comment is so silly and yet I keep seeing it everywhere. What do you think the Xbox and Playstations are? What is it that xbox and playstation customers are looking for that this small computer isn’t?

deranger,

What do you think the Xbox and Playstations are?

Consoles.

What is it that xbox and playstation customers are looking for that this small computer isn’t?

I have a hard time even figuring out what you’re trying to ask here.

Arcane2077, (edited )

Consoles.

Consoles are just small computers lol

I have a hard time even figuring out what you’re trying to ask here.

Don’t know what else to tell you. Person I replied to said console customers aren’t interested in consoles. That’s silly

deranger,

No, it isn’t, in practice. Xbox and PS5 have more in common with my iPhone than my desktop PC or NAS when it comes to being able to do what I want with it.

It will be interesting to see how proprietary the Steam machine is. That’s how I’d end up classifying it as console or miniPC.

ag10n,

The steam deck is also a small PC, just like the consoles and was priced perfectly for success

SpaceNoodle,

None of those consoles would directly boot into desktop Linux with just a few button presses.

ag10n,

They actually do, they’re just locked down from factory

github.com/SleepTheGod/…/README.md

Remember that PS2 natively supported this and modern consoles like the Switch can boot directly into desktop Linux.

SpaceNoodle,

I said “with a few button presses,” not “after hacking it and booting from external media.”

ag10n,

So what you’re saying because Valve supports it out of the box is the limiting factor between a console and pc

The hardware supports it; it could be a PC if you want.

You skipped over the PS2 and how it was a console and marketed with Linux support directly from Sony

Let alone Yellow Dog Linux on the PS3

youtu.be/lSP9b4Qcu4M

SpaceNoodle,

A clever enough person can get a useable general-purpose OS running on just about any hardware. The entire point is that it’s user-friendly out of the box.

notfromhere,

So user friendly Linux running on it makes it not a console? For a while PS3 was just a couple button presses to get a full Linux distro booted on it. I don’t think anyone would argue PS3 wasn’t a console.

SpaceNoodle,

No, it just means a console that doesn’t support booting directly into a general-purpose OS isn’t a PC.

notfromhere,

Totally agree there. MacBooks don’t even really qualify there and even probably near future when newer Windows devices come locked down.

deranger,

Wrong. MacBooks can dual boot Linux (windows too on the Intel MacBooks), and you can download code from wherever and run it. There’s a terminal you can run commands in. If you want, you can completely fuck it up. macOS is worlds apart from iOS, and MacBooks are more a proper computer than probably even the Steam machine we’re discussing here.

notfromhere,

Actually the current M-series are struggling to be feature complete on Linux, so while what you say was true for the Intel Macs, that is wilting away.

deranger,

You can still dual boot operating systems. The fact Asahi isn’t complete yet doesn’t matter.

They’re computers.

notfromhere,

The pedantic argument was about personal computer, not just computer. I believe it was along the lines of push a few buttons, not hack the OS. Sorry I made you mad talking about MacBooks.

deranger,

You don’t make me mad by being wrong. You don’t have to “hack the OS” to dual boot a MacBook.

notfromhere, (edited )

You have to hack another OS to load it on a MacBook. Try running Linux on an M3, M4, or M5 today. Not yet possible.

Edit: Even the M1 and M2 Linux support was entirely reverse engineered. The hardware is not open, it’s not a personal computer.

deranger, (edited )

That’s not hacking, that’s development. They’re not bypassing locked bootloaders. If Apple pushes for making it impossible to run another operating system that’s another downgrade for sure, but you can still run whatever code you want on them, ergo, it’s a computer. It’s got a terminal, you can write and run your own code, you can download unsigned binaries, you can delete stuff and break the OS, that’s a computer.

Try running anything on an Xbox Series S/X or PS5. Locked bootloader means you’re fucked from the start, and getting past that is hacking.

notfromhere,

That’s like saying an unlocked Pixel phone is a PC because you could technically develop an OS for it. Unlocked bootloader doesn’t an open system make.

I think we’re using different terms for hacking. You are using the exploit definition.

deranger,

Yeah, that could very well be a PC. You could take the guts out, put it in a generic box, attach a monitor and peripherals, and have a Linux PC that drastically outperforms PCs of a couple decades ago, with similar functionality. Those were PCs then, why would the definition change?

Regarding the exploit definition, yeah, that’s the good one IMO. The other one is more akin to “life hacks” or “food hacks” and I think it’s silly. Using a butter knife as a screwdriver isn’t a “tool hack.” Putting Doom on a toothbrush isn’t hacking, provided no exploits were necessary. Putting Linux on a MacBook isn’t hacking just because it lacks documentation and the Asahi devs have to figure some things out before it works.

I would be curious to hear your definition of hacking, though. To me it seems if you’re calling Linux on Mac hacking, then there’s a million other things that are hacking and the word loses its meaning.

If Apple locks the bootloader then I’ll completely agree with you. And while I do agree it appears they’re heading in that direction and it sucks, a MacBook is far more “computer” than a console, even if poorly documented and thus difficult to develop for.

notfromhere,

Hacking at the kernel to make it work on a new device is a valid definition of hacking IMO.

Hacking [something together] - building something quickly to make it work not necessarily a robust inplementation.

FartMaster69,

As far as how most people use their computers there is little difference.

deliriousdreams,

I don't use my PS5 to surf the web. I know you can use it to watch movies and stuff, but I don't use it for that either.

At best, it depends on what kind of user most of the console owners are.

Arcane2077,

It’s odd that the PS4 has a web browser, and that the PS5 has mouse and keyboard support, but neither has both

Arcane2077,

Having more features and flexibility than other consoles doesn’t take away its main function and selling point.

deranger,

I’m not really following your response. Steam Machine’s feature set doesn’t make the Xbox Series X/S or PlayStation 5 into computers. Yes, they’re x86, but they’re so proprietary and locked down they’re not computers in the colloquial sense.

If the Steam Machine can dual boot Linux, which I bet it can, that’s much more a general purpose computer than either of those consoles.

ElectricWaterfall,

I think the difference is that the Xbox and PlayStation are locked down to their respective ecosystems with monthly subscription and only one online store. Microsoft and Sony have almost guaranteed return based on that alone. If valve prices this as a loss leader what’s to stop a large corporation to buy 20k steam machines and use them as computers instead of consoles. Then valve is just eating that cost with no return on the other side.

ag10n,

The Ukraine military has been using steam decks on the front line Do you really think it’s affected their bottom line?

RicoBerto,

You are correct in that all technically fit the definition of computers. However consumers don’t care about technical definitions or think rationally about purchases. They don’t all do a rational analysis of the products on the market that would accomplish their goals and spend accordingly. They walk into GameStop and buy one of the boxes that makes call of duty show up on their living room tv. Just like the Deck fits the definition of a handheld computer with a built in screen and controllers for playing games but isn’t stealing any customers from the switch.

Deck isn’t selling millions and it’s doing just fine. The Steam Machine will be a small computer box priced as such and there won’t be a single person that decides to buy it over a ps5, and that’s fine. Valve doesn’t have to compete with consoles cause they don’t make consoles.

Valve themselves have said that the Machine will not be priced like a console but like an entry level PC whatever that means. The only people that will notice this to buy it are people who already know what a PC is.

mnemonicmonkeys,

Deck isn’t selling millions and it’s doing just fine.

I don’t have have an issue with the rest of your comment but this quote is factually wrong. The Deck actually has sold multiple millions of units.

EldritchFeminity,

I’d say the Deck isn’t stealing customers from the Switch because they are filling different market niches. The Switch is a portable console with portable Nintendo games made for it. The Deck is a portable PC that gives you access to your entire Steam library on the go.

The GabeCube, however, could absolutely pull some customers of the PS5 and Xbox depending on the pricing - especially with Microsoft’s demands that every part of the Xbox division see a 30% profit margin. The Big Three isn’t going to become the Big Four, but I think it will make some ripples. Steam running in Big Screen mode is effectively a console interface, and it plays Call of Duty just like the consoles. And with Sony finally moving away from console exclusive games, it means that Steam has almost full parity with the libraries of both of the consoles going forward while also offering access to all kinds of indie games that the consoles don’t. The GabeCube can play Call of Duty and Ghost of Tsushima, but it can also play Ultrakill and Bloodborne Nightmare Kart, and neither Xbox nor Playstation can say that.

Edit: And this doesn’t even mention old games. The Steam library has access to all kinds of old games that never get ported to new consoles when a new generation releases, meaning that its library grows in step with the consoles but you can still play your old favorites without having to keep buying them again or keep your old consoles around.

olafurp,

I know my case is specific but having a Jellyfin running on a Steam computer looks to me as good case for having a computer in the living room. Adding a TV applications to Steam such as Netflix is also a case. Then there are people who have their workstation close to the TV so they can use it instead of their laptop and just switch displays with one of these HDMI branching dongles.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Yup, I might try the Jellyfin thing as well. I currently use an app on the TV, but it’s flaky and the TV keeps losing network randomly. Newer TVs at adding ads, so I’ll need an alternative.

Ulrich,
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Hard disagree. I think that’s exactly who they’re going after. That’s why they added all the console features like CEC, wake on BT, background updates, and a controller-first interface.

I think that’s pretty clearly who they’ve been targeting for >10 years with SteamOS.

pilferjinx,

Is the machine competing with consoles? I thought it was just packaging an adorable sized pre built PC.

ag10n,

I think this is the goal that it would be priced competitively with the Pro or higher end consoles

They’ve built an ecosystem that gives you that console experience and if you really want to use it as a PC then you can.

The whole thing screams high quality experience for those that want it to just work or those that want to tinker

They really know their audience

JoshuaFalken,

I’m not sure cost can be set aside from a price discussion when they’ve explicitly stated it won’t be a Costco rotisserie chicken.

With the number of consoles sold this generation, I’m not sure where the limit is for what people will spend to play the games they want. With console pricing has trailing budget gaming PC’s, I could see a number of people getting a Steam Machine in lieu of the next Playstation or Xbox.

What would be interesting to see in the future is the split between units sold to lifelong console players making a change, and pre existing Steam users with stuffed libraries buying one for the couch. If the latter make up the majority of sales, but they priced it like a chicken, that’ll be a problem pretty quick.

Hopefully it shakes out well and indie game developers reap some well deserved rewards.

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