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Jerkface, do gaming w [Ended] [Steam Key Giveaway] 3x Stardew Valley to give away

Always looked like dollar-store harvest moon to me. I’d give it a go now that I’ve got some free time.

dom,

Better than harvest moon imo

otp,

Harvest Moon is Temu Stardew Valley. I know Harvest Moon came first. Stardew Valley does literally everything better than Harvest Moon

jsomae, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳

How about let’s all not talk or make angry memes about the guy. Ross requested that he not be harassed. Something about not wanting negative energy.

Randomgal,

It’s not about Ross, it’s about sending a message.

TheGreenWizard,

I doubt he’ll ever use Lemmy to be honest, but I get what you mean.

jsomae,

Since what happens on Lemmy stays on Lemmy, I guess it must be fine.

TheGreenWizard,

I said I get what you mean.

DreamlandLividity,

I’m not gonna go out of my way to review bomb his game or send him messages or at him on twitter. But I am not gonna stop calling him a narcisistic idiot whenever the topic comes up. People should know. That is not harassment, that is countering misinformation, at least IMO. A meme like this is not harassment in my book either. He is a public figure.

bilb,
@bilb@lemmy.ml avatar

Ross is not my dad

jsomae,

yeah but he’s a daddy tho 😘

mriswith,

One of the big reasons many people are “okay” with making fun of him. Is that he could basically make it all go away if he just admitted he was wrong.

The whole thing stems from him being so full of himself that he cannot admit any fault, ever. He has been objectively proven wrong many times on several different topics, there are a lot of situations that heavily indicate misconduct, etc. And he literally went on a stream with a licensed psychiatrist who tried to explain some of his faults. To which he laughed and said “Okay, don’t see it that way, but alright”.

At the end of the day, he seems almost incapable of admitting that he ever did or said anything wrong. So people keep making fun of him, since he’s objectively proven wrong repeatedly.

waggz,

If you’re not familiar with it, check out his classic wow hardcore drama. He’s absolutely incapable of admitting any fault. And he and his mods just ban anyone immediately if they try to have a discussion.

LettyWhiterock, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳
@LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world avatar

My only real experience with this guy was that he helped fund a mario 64 romhacking competition that I entered. So I got some money from him because of it. Funny how that works out.

Iambus, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳

To think I actually liked this guy, what an egotistical asshole he really is.

Duamerthrax,

Egotism often translates to charisma and confidence, but falls apart eventually.

Also, a reminder, the “Con” in con-artist is short for confidence.

Kyle, do gaming w [Ended] [Steam Key Giveaway] 3x Stardew Valley to give away

I guess the pandemic wasn’t long enough to get all the way through my backlog. I’ve been slowly making my way through even now. I’ve been told it’s a travesty that I haven’t played yet.

sommerset, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳
@sommerset@thelemmy.club avatar

What u attempt to accomplish? Maintaining games also takes time and effort and server costs and they likely kill them to save costs.

There is no way this petition is gonna do anything

4am,

When games put DRM in them that requires a server

And I buy that game

And then they take away that server

I want my money back

Or for them to latch the game so it works

It’s not fucking hard to figure out

funkless_eck,

then don’t make single player games (or sections of games) require a server.

KingOfTheCouch,

At best we get fresh new EULA’s to click through on our way to play our game.

I’ve signed a lot of petitions over the years, and I’d sign this one too, but it’s pretty naive to think this will actually do anything useful.

HK65,

This is not just a random petition, it has legal force to compel the EU to officially hear the issue.

pupbiru,

you can’t sign away consumer rights in a EULA… they might try and out them in there, but if it were law then they wouldn’t be able to enforce it

deur,

Its okay to stop running the servers. All gamers want is to have the stuff it takes to continue to enjoy the game after the companies are done.

HK65,

It might get the EU to make a law.

psx_crab,

Enable offline mode. That’s the very least they can do. These game, like how EA famously claim that it’s not possible for SimCity to run in offline mode and then soon release an offline mode, should be playable offline.

Enable private server/p2p multiplayer. This would make sure playing with friends is still possible after the server went down.

PerfectDark, do games w For people who want to play their favorite games but are unable to, what are you currently doing?
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

If you want to reach out to me for a chat, I’m happy to walk you through what your phone is capable of doing. Emulation is such a scene now, even low-low end phones are capable of doing so much now. You might now be getting winlator running to play PC games (which is no problem for some phones), but you can even play some basic Switch games. Or worst case if it’s very underpowered, you’ve got so many games from the golden age of RPG’s to play through

  • SNES
  • Mega Drive/Genesis
  • PS1

…and so on. I know this won’t be the “…the games I would otherwise want to play on PC…” but it is still playing incredible games. So, as always, let me know. I’m happy to help with that front!

StarvingMartist, do gaming w [Ended] [Steam Key Giveaway] 3x Stardew Valley to give away

I have it but I would love a key for my fiancée to play with me, we can finally be warring couples with Abigail and Sebastian

Taser,

Give it to this guy. It’s a great reason.

But if you don’t, I wouldn’t mind giving it a try for a few (read: 200) hours 😛

c24w, do gaming w [Ended] [Steam Key Giveaway] 3x Stardew Valley to give away
@c24w@lemmy.world avatar

I’m afraid of commitment.

danekrae, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳

Who is this, and why is she so sad?

dumbass,
@dumbass@quokk.au avatar
tja,
@tja@sh.itjust.works avatar

Misgendering people is not funny.

danekrae,
iAmTheTot,

The difference is that 30 Rock is not doing it to be mean spirited.

victorz,

I think the root comment is just memeing? But I see your point, it’s not funny. (Or it shouldn’t be.)

iAmTheTot,

What does “just memeing” mean here?

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Oh? You’re approaching me?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c0b03102-260e-4833-a3f5-28abc654af68.png

They memed the joke from the show, while i just copied the part from jojo.

I wanted to lure you into revealing your stand.

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

No, you don’t understand, misgendering is fine when its someone you don’t like, just like how body shaming is great when its a man.

/s

tja,
@tja@sh.itjust.works avatar

Looking at the upvote/ downvote ratio you might be right

BlackPenguins,

You did not get the 30 Rock quote I see.

StoneyDcrew,

I kinda hate the guy so it’s hard for me to keep the tone neutral but I’ll try my best.

Long story short: He’s a popular streamer that had a few controversies that caused many people labelled him as arrogant or egotistical.

The latest one is his take on the “stop killing games” initiative that he was against. He had a video a few months ago were he misrepresentated the movement and spread misinformation (whether or not this was intentional or misinformed is up for debate) and caused a significant drop in the momentum of the movement, refusing to accept any criticism and doubling down on things. That was until recently were the initiative was in the last month and a half before the big deadline at only around 50% of the required signatures, but then huge momentum sprung up with a lot of people marking him as the “villain” of the movement and because of his controversy before it wasn’t long before word spread.

This has obviously led to harassment of the guy(which I feel is too far personally) which he responded to by tripling down on his opinion causing further being labelled as the villain. Eventually the momentum carried it over the finish and people are happy that he didn’t get his way.

MolochAlter,

whether or not this was intentional or misinformed is up for debate

It’s not, in his response to the initial controversy he cut out the part of Ross’ video that directly contradicted his misrepresentation, he’s a lying piece of shit.

SunshineJogger, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳

I actually do not know who that is. Some YouTuber?

Caitlyynn,

Trashy twitch streamer with a massive ego problem

BlackPenguins,

Just know he’s someone who wants you to eat his entire ass.

KyuubiNoKitsune, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳

Just remember that we still need more signatures on the EU one, to rule out bot and incorrect signatures.

tetris11,

EU one requires an ID/passport, UK one doesn’t – I’d argue that the EU one is safe and the UK one should get more attention on the validitiy

ClamDrinker,

Ross explained it in his last video - there are reasons to be skeptical and unsure if it’s truly there until at least 1.4 mil signatures. And more votes is never bad. So both need more attention. If it reaches people in the EU it will also reach those in the UK.

tetris11,

gotta summary? I don’t wanna watch a vid

ClamDrinker,

There’s always just people that mess up on the form. But they also monitor the sign rate and saw some periods of higher than normal signing in the middle of the night in the EU - indicating someone might have ran a bot to sign with invalid information. The EU only validates the signatures once the petition is closed, so they need a safe margin where even with a significant amount of invalid signatures, they still make it. Afaik 1.2 mil is about what they would expect for a normal vote of this size to be safe, and 1.4 mil is basically more than enough to compensate for any bad actors.

tetris11,

The EU only validates the signatures once the petition is closed

Ah, makes sense - thanks for this

Ksin,
@Ksin@lemmy.world avatar

The type of verification depends on the country and some don’t have any verification at signing. I’m Swedish and when I signed I just filled out a form, no checks of any kind.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

Time for the EU to adopt FrejaID

Opisek,

EU is actively working on the EU Wallet and certain sources tell me it is getting there.

TwinTitans, do games w Thank you, Thor! 🥳
@TwinTitans@lemmy.world avatar

Guys a fucking loser. Needs to get a real job.

JargonWagon,

He’s had quite a few “real jobs” lol

kadaverin0,

He’ll gladly tell you about how he was hacker/dev whizkid at Blizzard for 7 years. Of course, he’ll leave out the fact that he was only a QA tester and a web security drone who got the job because his father is a big wig there.

TheEighthDoctor,

Don’t you know he worked for Blizzard /s

TwinTitans,
@TwinTitans@lemmy.world avatar

Ahh. Starting to see how that company fell to shit now 😂

oji, do games w Yep, I actually own 7,255 games on Steam. I’ve played 23% of my library. I regret nothing.

I actually own

The funny thing is, you don’t own them.

atomicpoet,

Say what you will, every game I’ve bought—I can still play. And I’ve been buying Steam games for over a decade.

Meanwhile, none of my GameCube discs work on my Switch.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

You can still play it but increasingly games are becoming very different from what you bought.

I’ve started noticing a disturbing trend. More and more games that are older being sold at steep discounts or “free to play” and simultaneously jampacked with invasive telemetry and/or ads/microtransactions. And since Steam won’t let you play older versions, those games are effectively dead.

atomicpoet,

Out of the thousands of games I have, not once have I noticed anything like you describe.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Oh well if you haven’t experienced it, it must not exist then 🤷

atomicpoet,

I mean, if it’s a trend, you’d think I would have noticed it by now.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

And I suppose my experience doesn’t count? Or you think I’m making this up?

atomicpoet,

I don’t know, you haven’t pointed out multiple examples.

Hadriscus,

hmmm that doesn’t ring a bell here either. Which games do this ?

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

The most recent ones I’ve noticed are Riders Republic and Borderlands 2. Helldivers also introduced a bunch of new microtransactions years after it’s launch.

Dyskolos,

And what there is steam’s doing? Borderland’s a greedy IP from a greedy company. What do you expect?

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

And since Steam won’t let you play older versions, those games are effectively dead.

Dyskolos,

So it’s the fault of the delivery-device? Why didn’t you make a backup of an older version just in case? Besides, last time I checked, you can. With a bit more hassle. All not the case for a “live” online-game. Which borderlands wants to be.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

So it’s the fault of the delivery-device?

…yeah? Of course it is.

Why didn’t you make a backup of an older version just in case?

I pay Steam to do that.

Besides, last time I checked, you can. With a bit more hassle.

Not interested.

All not the case for a “live” online-game. Which borderlands wants to be.

That’s exactly the problem.

Dyskolos,

If BL is “exactly the problem”. And GOG does it better. Why is it still steam’s fault? Use GOG then? Where is it the delivery-device’s fault? As BL2 offers online-coop, and is also the major selling point of that game, a fragmented market is impossible.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Why would you think another company doing it better makes Valve not responsible? I don’t understand the logic.

As BL2 offers online-coop, and is also the major selling point of that game, a fragmented market is impossible.

…no? It’s not. You don’t have to play it online.

Dyskolos,

It doesn’t matter if you prefer offline or not or that you CAN play solo, it is online coop. I never played it coop either, but that’s what it is and hence everyone has to have the same version. Simple as that.

Point with gog was that they do it better. Vastly so. Yet only a tiny fraction of devs choose them. Hence it begs the question whether it’s the platform’s fault per se.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

It doesn’t matter if you prefer offline or not or that you CAN play solo, it is online coop.

Of course it does?

Hence it begs the question whether it’s the platform’s fault per se.

There is no question. GOG is proof that you can do it. Therefore if others don’t do it, it’s their fault.

Once again, all of this is beside the point. The point is that those games are effectively gone.

Dyskolos,

It only matters in the sense that you’re allowed to not purchase online games.

Otherwise we’re circling here.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

It only matters in the sense that you’re allowed to not purchase online games.

Virtually every game in existence has some sort of online element. But what you seem to be unable to grasp is that many of them have single player modes that don’t require any internet connection.

It’s as simple has having a server that checks the version of the game installed before allowing access to online services.

Dyskolos,

Oh wow, thanks for making me understand games and how software works. If only I knew earlier…

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

No problem 👍

Hadriscus,

I have to say I never played those. Do these microtransactions lock content that was previously available out of the box?

Dyskolos,

That is what firewalls and sinkholes are for. Stupid telemetry.

Yet I never noticed such a “trend” in direct combination with steam. The whole industry goes to shit, but it’s not steam’s fault.

Ulrich, (edited )
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

That is what firewalls and sinkholes are for. Stupid telemetry.

That shouldn’t be necessary and is beside the point.

The whole industry goes to shit, but it’s not steam’s fault.

  1. Steam has the clout to fight back against this
  2. As I already mentioned, it is partially because they don’t allow you to run older versions of games.
skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

[…] because they don’t allow you to run older versions of games.

They do if the dev makes it available, I’m looking at four different versions of Terraria in the beta menu right now that stretch back four major versions. I’m pretty sure a couple games in my library somewhere have their entire update history in there, though I can’t think of one to name off the top of my head right now, that’s not a feature I use very often. [Edit: Rift Wizard is one that does precisely this, I knew I had at least one in here]

This is not true of all games, but it could be, either directly by game devs without Valve even having to care, or via pressure by Valve by just making older versions available whether the devs want it or not. I think the latter option is probably the better move, but there’s technically nothing stopping the former other than the game devs themselves.

There’s also a valid argument that making downpatching very easy would be a huge boon to piracy. This is a reasonable talking point no matter which side of that fence you sit on. It would also probably benefit modding as well, which I think is a more objective good but some game developers or more likely publishers would probably disagree.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

They do if the dev makes it available

That shouldn’t be their decision.

I’m looking at four different versions of Terraria

Literally never seen that before. I think I see if the dev pushing their 4th update that day and now I have to wait a half an hour to play the damn game.

downpatching very easy would be a huge boon to piracy.

Not my problem. Guess I’d better just pirate the game instead.

Dyskolos,

Firewalls and especially sinkholes are VERY necessary, far beyond silly game telemetry.

They don’t allow this for a good reason. Imagine 1 million clueless gamers running an older version of their game because they’re too lazy too update. And, of course, then complain about a buggy game and the tech-support will drown even more and review would end up more badly. nothing worse than a fragmented game-world. how should online games work if every Joe and Jane got their “own” favorite version? the average user is a total clueless (pc-wise) person.

Also, you can install an older version. Just with more hassles. Also you could by GUI with many games IF the Dev wants you to be able to. Like a select few versions, if you’d prefer an older state. But, of course, only indie devs do that.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Firewalls and especially sinkholes are VERY necessary

You misread my comment. I didn’t say they weren’t necessary.

Imagine 1 million clueless gamers running an older version of their game because they’re too lazy too update.

  1. GOG already does this and it’s not a problem.
  2. It updates automatically but you can choose to roll it back at any time.

how should online games work if every Joe and Jane got their “own” favorite version?

Not talking about online games. Besides, the how or why do not matter, the point is the games are gone.

Also, you can install an older version. Just with more hassles.

I pay Steam to deal with the hassles. I am not a software engineer.

But, of course, only indie devs do that.

Valve has the power to enforce this system-wide.

Dyskolos,

Gog does it, but Gog only offers a mere fraction of what Steam has. Also your example of BL2 is not on gog either. For that reason.

Sure, Valve could enforce that, but…as said…why? They already offer the option for different versions. If the devs don’t use that, they will have their reasons. The biggest one i mentioned before: Fragmentation and the resulting nightmare of customer-support. On steam’s AND the dev’s side. Look at the Android or Windows-market. Someone complaining “my windows sucks”, but still uses Windows Vista. Or people screaming for support because “my favourite app doesn’t work” and use android 10.

Don’t get me wrong, personally I’d value the freedom of choice. But the vast majority of people are clueless (and still use those devices) and need to be “guided”. Every system gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. That’s why apple does so well (besides the “brand”-shit ofc).

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Gog does it, but Gog only offers a mere fraction of what Steam has.

And that matters for the purposes of this conversation why?

Sure, Valve could enforce that, but…as said…why?

I explained why in my first comment. It’s why we’re talking in the first place.

Fragmentation and the resulting nightmare of customer-support. On steam’s AND the dev’s side.

I don’t see it. Neither of them have to support old versions.

But the vast majority of people are clueless (and still use those devices) and need to be “guided”.

No they don’t. If people are clueless, they don’t need to utilize this feature. It’s call an “option”.

Dyskolos,

Just because YOU don’t see why support on both sides hate fragmentation, doesn’t matter. They do nonetheless for very obvious reasons unless you are very alien to tech.

And yes, people do need guidance. If they’re not forced to update, they rarely do. And then they complain shit’s not working. People don’t read manuals, FAQs, guidelines and also they don’t update unless forced to (or strooongly motivated or just nagged to death). I’ve been in this industry for nearly 4 decades now. From all sides. The average Joe or Jane is the worst.

And yeah sure, it doesn’t matter at all for some games. You play the version you want and it’s all fine. But either you offer this option (which steam does BTW, as mentioned before) or you don’t. If you don’t, maaaany devs would be going to use another platform. Maybe fucking EPIC. That’d be grand.

smeg,

FYI if seems you can access older versions of Steam games, it’s just a bit hacky

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

If I want hacky, I’ll go pirate the game. I pay for them so I don’t need a computer science degree to play them.

smeg,

You can still play them on your GameCube or Wii though, or take copies of the discs and play them on anything that runs Dolphin

kadup, (edited )
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

While you’re not wrong, by that logic, it’s actually fairly trivial to take my Steam downloads drive and run it on any computer even without my Steam account.

smeg,

Does that work? I always assumed games with DRM wouldn’t work if they couldn’t authenticate to your Steam account.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

It works in the same way that dumping your GameCube games and running them on Dolphin works… It’s quick and easy, but it’s against the ToS and requires breaking DRM.

Steam’s DRM is weak, and in some interviews some Valve developers even gave hints that this is on purpose. Many Steam games will simply run without Steam if you just double click the .exe in the install folder, and the vast majority that only rely on Steam’s DRM can be opened by running a free “Steam Emulator” software that pretends to be an active Steam account with a correct license.

sugar_in_your_tea,

A lot of Steam games don’t have any DRM, and most of the rest are pretty easy to strip.

Give it a shot sometime. Completely quit out of Steam, turn off your internet, and try running some of your older Steam games directly from the Steam folder.

I do this somewhat often when my kids are on my other computer playing games on my account and I still want to play something. It’s a little trickier on Linux since you need something to run the Proton/WINE layer, so I mostly stick to Linux-native games in that pretty rare case.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Family share is actually great for this now.

It used to be that if anyone in the group was playing any game it would lock you out of playing anything else on the main account without kicking them off.

But they eased up on it now so you can both play at the same time as long as you aren’t playing the same game at the same time.

So just make a burner account for you or for your kids and family share the library to it and now you don’t even have to go offline unless everyone in the house wants to play BG3 simultaneously.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Really? I haven’t tried that since they revamped the sharing thing. I have three accounts, one for me, my wife, and one my kids share, and they’re all linked. Most of the time my kids use my account, but I can easily change that if it’ll allow simultaneous play (on different games).

Thanks for the tip, I’ll try it out!

Dyskolos,

But the vast majority can be played without steam. Mostly by force coughcough but still. I know, still no legal ownership.

themadcodger, do gaming w [Ended] [Steam Key Giveaway] 3x Stardew Valley to give away
@themadcodger@kbin.earth avatar

It's been on my list, and I like cozy games… I just never got around to it. And I'm cheap, so unless I noticed it on super sale, I'd put it off until later™️

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