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AccmRazr, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot

Look at this clown! First, they came out saying they weren’t even fans of the material. You have Henry Cavil in the lead role who is a super fan of the source materials arguing with you and the writers about the show. And then you finish it off by blaming the audience for your decisions. Mind you, the audience you have ultimately attracted is largely influenced by the decisions you have made throughout the production of YOUR show. The audience didn’t make this show, YOU did

deweydecibel,

Is this the same person? This is just an executive producer, not the writer or show runner.

Pretty funny to call out someone for not reading something while simultaneously not reading the article to know who it is you’re even talking about.

Overzeetop,
@Overzeetop@kbin.social avatar

If you're the executive producer, it's your fault that your team members fucked it up. If you cannot find a competent writer to properly express nuance on the screen, it's still your fault. You hired the wrong person to adapt the books. You are the boss, the final say, the one-ass-to-kick when things go wrong. The Witcher is not some nuanced story about regional distinctions in low-visibility communities told in short form, which seems to be his only acclaimed experience, followed by several production failures.

This entire interview comes down to "those lazy zoomers don't know how to appreciate good film." From the description of his past, massive failures it appears to be a problem with his process and ability, not an audience problem.

bane_killgrind,

by several production failures

Hehe savage

Windex007,

If you’re AN executive producer:

youtu.be/8P_AnvUIvJs

stopthatgirl7, w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email
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Microsoft wanting to buy Valve and Nintendo should tell you just how much what they really want is a monopoly on gaming.

jeebus,
@jeebus@kbin.social avatar

If Microsoft loves anything, it's monopolies.

Whirlybird,

They all want a monopoly, not just Microsoft. Microsoft are just the only ones that could afford it.

stopthatgirl7,
!deleted7120 avatar

Trudat

thatsTheCatch, w Anita Sarkeesian is shutting down Feminist Frequency after 15 years

When I was young a dumb, I followed the anti-feminist YouTubers that used Anita Sarkeesian as their punching bag. I loved video games and bought into their idea that she was trying to ruin them. Now that I’m older and wiser, I can see that that was a load of baloney. I watched the original Tropes vs. Women in Videogames series and it was very level-headed and rational. There were a few things that the anti-feminist YouTubers said “well what about this???” and Anita actually covered that in the video but the YouTubers cherry picked and didn’t show the response. Anita has done a lot of good and has had so much hate and harassment that I feel she deserves a break.

ripcord, (edited )
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

The ratio of downvoted you got is...interesting.

I wonder what u/KalChoedan, /u/PizzaFeet, /u/Phrodo_00 and others dont like about your comment.

Edit:. At the time, upvotes:downvoted was nearly 1:1

captainlezbian,

Good job with the personal growth

conciselyverbose, w Overwatch 2 director opens up about having the worst-reviewed game on Steam: 'Being review-bombed isn't a fun experience'

If real people hate your game because of the changes you made from the last one (that you took away from them), that's not a review bomb.

It's just a review.

CraigeryTheKid,

the game/steam release definitely deserved bad reviews - but it’d be hard to deny that it wasn’t also a bombing run.

conciselyverbose,

A review bomb is when people start jumping down the game's throat with negative reviews for shit unrelated/peripheral to the game. If they're triggered by the actual core design choices of the game it isn't a review bomb.

These reviews are because the game is a money grubbing downgrade from the game people bought and had taken away from them, and this is the first opportunity they had to publish a review on a storefront. The motivation being the actual game means it can't be a review bomb.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

If they're still playing the game anyway, I might call that a review bomb.

hook,

No, it's still a review because you're still actively dealing with whatever it is you're complaining about.

"Hey, I really like/liked the core game play loop of this game but I think that it's gotten significantly worse than it was previously. It'd be nice if they changed it back?

4/10."

520,

Plenty of people leave negative reviews for games they otherwise play. Especially where big changes are put into effect

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

That's the exact recipe for ensuring that they don't change it back.

520,

That's depends on the business model. For one-off payment games, it still does considerable damage, whereas they don't gain much by you continuing to play.

For subscription games, your point stands much stronger.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

It's a free to play multiplayer game. If you continue playing it, you're providing value for some other player who might spend money, so just by being in the matchmaking pool, they've got you where they want you, and they won't care about your review.

NotTheOnlyGamer,
@NotTheOnlyGamer@kbin.social avatar

Exactly. People need to vote with their wallets and PCs.

cre0,

So overwatch 2 is objectively terrible, but putting that aside for a moment…

Can you seriously not envision a scenario where you personally do a thing (maybe even enjoy that thing), but still wouldn’t recommend it to others?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Can you seriously envision a scenario where the worst game of all time is among the most-played?

cre0,

Ah okay I see you’re the kind of kid who answers a question with a question. 🤦‍♂️

Enjoy picking petty fights over… who likes which video game better. Not really my dig kiddo

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Yes, I answered your question with a question because your scenario was as absurd as you perceived mine to be. So I'll answer yours directly: "yes, but not at that scale". Because at that scale, it's a review bomb.

cre0,

K

crossmr,

So if General motors was using slave labour to build their cars and feeding said labour with baby kittens, would you consider it a review bomb for someone to say 'You shouldn't buy the latest vehicle from General motors because of the way it is made'?

What if general motors came out and said that they think a great start to the day is to wake up and punch a dutchman in the face?

A review is, ultimately, a recommendation of whether or not you think other people should buy this product. If you can't recommend it because of something the company who made it did, to me, it's still a review. Because recommending that product is recommending financial support of that company. Not recommending it, is not supporting them.

For me a real review bomb would occur generally only in a case where a site like 4chan might suddenly spin a wheel of mayhem and pick a random game to just go shit on or something like that.

conciselyverbose,

By definition, yes, that's a review bomb. It has no connection in any way to the quality of the product, which is what a review is.

Primarily0617,

You're entirely disconnected to reality if you think Overwatch 2 deserves to be the worst-reviewed game on Steam.

conciselyverbose,

Based on what?

The negatives are extremely bad, and people are legitimately reviewing the game negatively because they legitimately think it's a pile of shit.

It is literally unconditionally impossible for it to be a review bomb if the reviews are motivated by the core design decisions of the game.

Primarily0617,

Today's concurrent player peak is ~47k.

Why would 47k people choose to play the game when it's the worst game on Steam? Literally worse than a game like Bad Rats: the Rats' Revenge that fundamentally doesn't function correctly. For reference, its peak today was about 20 players.

Before you reply with something like "marketing", you seriously think that if Bad Rats launched today, and with the same marketing budget as OW2, that it would achieve anywhere close to 47k players peak 10 months after its release?

Like I said: you're disconnected from reality if you think OW2 is the worst game on Steam.

conciselyverbose,

Did bad rats deliberately steal a game people liked to replace it with an addiction machine?

Primarily0617,

deliberately steal a game people liked to replace it with an addiction machine

what the actual fuck are you talking about

conciselyverbose,

The reason Overwatch 2 is the worst reviewed game Steam has ever had?

A bad game does a lot less harm than a game that seems good on the surface then tries to rob you blind.

Primarily0617,

by "tries to rob you blind" you mean a game with entirely optional additional purchases?

wow you're right they really get you with that "you can pay if you want" model

it's practically criminal definitely worthy of being the worst ranked game on steam

conciselyverbose,

There is no such thing as a microtransaction that is not pure unredeemable evil.

Primarily0617,

then please explain why Counter Strike Global Offensive, Team Fortress 2, Dota 2, etc. don't deserve to have the same rating

conciselyverbose,

As far as I'm concerned they do. But my opinion doesn't decide the rating of a game any more than yours that's it's supposedly a better game than bad rats.

It's a product of everyone who votes giving their opinion, and the entire steam userbase has come to the consensus that Overwatch 2 is a particularly egregious example of it.

It cannot possibly be a review bomb when the reviews are legitimate opinions based on what the game is.

Primarily0617,

supposedly a better game than bad rats

the previously referenced games all sit above 80% positive and yet have the exact same problems that you cite as OW2's reason for being bad

legitimate opinions

"the zeitgeist has told them that the game is bad" is not a legitimate reason for not liking OW2, hence accusations of review bombing

if you think there are legitimate reasons OW2 deserves the rating it has, by all means please provide them, but so far all you've given me are that also apply to basically all the popular F2P games on Steam.

cre0,

Because it’s a F2P game that is monetized as such and exists only to make the game I bought obsolete.

I bought a game.

The game I have now is not the game I bought.

Primarily0617,

correct: it's a different game

reviewing it because it's not Overwatch 1 is by definition review bombing

cre0,

it’s the game they gave me to replace the game i purchased.

if i bought a toyota camry, and 2 years later toyota said “sorry we can’t let you continue using your camry, here’s a corolla” you better fucking believe i’d be trashing toyota in every public space possible to warn potential customers.

Primarily0617,

"i wanted a camry not a corolla" is not a valid review of a corolla

cre0,

It absolutely is if I bought a Camry and got a Corolla.

Enjoy life in prescriptive hell my guy 🙄

Primarily0617,

in your analogy you bought a camry and mr toyota said "we're getting rid of this camry but don't worry i fought to get you a free corolla" and were fine with it and hailed mr toyota as a hero but then mr toyota left the company so the free corolla became poisonous and bad

cre0,

What?

520,

Those games are not nearly as aggressive in their attempts to get you to buy shit. CSGO? a tiny ass fucking button to buy Prime. TF2? Don't even remember seeing a shop button.

OW2? Makes the worst, money hungry mobile free-to-play blush with how aggressive it tries to sell you shit.

And they killed OW1, just for this.

Primarily0617,

tf2 drops crates every 30 minutes that's literally just an advert for the in-game store (which has a dedicated button pretty clearly labelled on the main menu)

pretty sure CSGO does the same

520,

CSGO does not do the same. I play that one regularly.

Primarily0617,

you're saying CSGO doesn't drop crates?

520,

If it does, I've literally never seen it, and I play regularly. The closest I ever got was the Halo MCC soundtrack in CSGO, and I'm pretty sure I only got that because I also have MCC on Steam.

Primarily0617,

my guy csgo crates were controversial enough a few years ago that people sued valve over them, and at no point did csgo come anywhere close to being the worst reviewed game on steam

how are you unironically out here saying that csgo doesn't drop crates?

520,

The original Overwatch, which had none of this shit and was a one-off payment, was killed off in favour of OW2

Primarily0617,

leaving a negative review because of that would by definition be review bombing, because at that point you're not reviewing the game, but external context that surrounds it

520, (edited )

Not really. Reviewing the game as OW with enshittification is a perfectly reasonable review of OW2 in and of itself.

Especially if the publishers made the one-off purchase version unusable just to push people onto the enshittified one.

Primarily0617,

"i liked overwatch 1" is not a valid review of the game overwatch 2, and people leaving reviews to that effect en-masse is pretty textbook review bombing

520,

Yes it is. It's perfectly valid.

It says that the changes in Overwatch 2 are unpopular with the reviewer.

If the changes were positive or even unnoteworthy, that review wouldn't be there

Primarily0617,

if you're reviewing specific things you don't like, that's reviewing a product

leaving a negative review because "OW1 was killed off" isn't doing that

if you want to discuss specific things you don't like, please provide some that would reasonably justify OW2 being literally the worst reviewed game on steam rn

520, (edited )

leaving a negative review because "OW1 was killed off" isn't doing that

Leaving a review because "OW1 was killed off" and the intended transition route was a drastically inferior product, is in fact reviewing a product.

Context is actually an important part of reviews. Orcarina or Time looks like a shit game today, and needs the context of being a late 90's innovator to fully appreciate it. Likewise, a BoTW clone would look fantastic, a game changer, even...if a certain 2017 game hadn't already set the benchmark.

Calling something an inferior version of its predecessor, which was cynically shut down to push people to this inferior product, is worthy review information. It tells people that a superior product existed, and all this new product is, is the enshittification of it.

Primarily0617,

you're reviewing a different product

ow1 was shut down to avoid splitting the playerbase. when kaplan went on record saying that he'd fought to get ow1 owners a copy of ow2 for free everybody loved it, but now it's bad, actually? yes that makes sense

Orcarina or Time looks like a shit game today

comparing the entire landscape of gaming to a game is a very different thing to comparing it to a specific game

it would be like if somebody reviewed Baldur's Gate 3 by saying it was bad just because they liked the source powers from Divinity 2. as part of a review maybe it works, sure but as the bedrock and sole item of substance, it's useless.

your entire argument so far has been "I preferred the previous game therefore OW2 deserves to be the worst reviewed game on steam". even ignoring the fact that you've failed to articulate any differences past a vague notion of not liking that it's free-to-play, that's an almost laughably braindead take

520,

you're reviewing a different product

And making comparisons between the two products is perfectly valid.

ow1 was shut down to avoid splitting the playerbase.

I'm sorry, are you an Activision/Blizzard employee?

I ask because only one of their employees could come up with such a bullshit statement. The core gameplay loops aren't different enough to cause that kind of split, and OW2 Is free-to-play. Anybody that wanted to voluntarily jump from OW1 to OW2 could have freely done so at literally no cost, if they so wanted.

They shut down OW1 to a) pump up the numbers for OW2 and b) to get OW1 players forcibly exposed to their F2P market.

when kaplan went on record saying that he'd fought to get ow1 owners a copy of ow2 for free everybody loved it, but now it's bad, actually? yes that makes sense

Definitely an Activision/Blizzard employee. Nobody else would miss the disingenuity of making such a statement about a free-to-play game.

comparing the entire landscape of gaming to a game is a very different thing to comparing it to a specific game

And my point is, taking into account the landscape, even in a macro level such as Activision's own behaviour with the series, including this very game, is relevant context worthy of being part of a review.

it would be like if somebody reviewed Baldur's Gate 3 by saying it was bad just because they liked the source powers from Divinity 2. as part of a review maybe it works, sure but as the bedrock and sole item of substance, it's useless.

Your analogy falls flat because Divinity and BG, though they share much of the same inspirations and development staff, are very different games. OW2 is basically OW1 with some minor tweaks and microtransactions.

The problem with OW2's mtx though is that the game makes it as hard as possible to ignore its microtransaction nature as possible, and they willingly hamper the user experience to do so.

Other than the MTX, OW2 is so similar to OW1, that without it, these reviews would be saying that they're essentially the same game. So what they're saying now, that it's OW1 enshittified, is valid.

your entire argument so far has been "I preferred the previous game therefore OW2 deserves to be the worst reviewed game on steam".

If that's what you took away from my comments, then I'm afraid you cannot read. That, or you're unable to discern from different users. All I've said was that people calling OW2 basically enshittified OW1 is not review bombing, because it's a valid review.

even ignoring the fact that you've failed to articulate any differences past a vague notion of not liking that it's free-to-play

Because there are very few differences and none of them are improvements. Like the shrinking of team sizes and available modes.

Also, F2P can be predatory as fuck, and Activision/Blizzard have most certainly been so here. they've even broken sales laws in countries like Australia.

Primarily0617,
  • The core gameplay loops aren't different enough
  • OW2 is basically OW1 with some minor tweaks
  • OW2 is so similar to OW1, that without it, these reviews would be saying that they're essentially the same game
  • All I've said was that people calling OW2 basically enshittified OW1 is not review bombing, because it's a valid review.
  • Because there are very few differences

Okay so you clearly agree that OW2 doesn't deserve to be the lowest rated game on steam, since "there are very few differences", and you liked OW1.

I don't really care what semantic nonsense or mental gymnastics you have to apply to convince yourself that whatever caused it to be ranked so low doesn't count as review bombing.

520, (edited )

Okay so you clearly agree that OW2 doesn't deserve to be the lowest rated game on steam, since "there are very few differences", and you liked OW1.

I do agree it doesn't deserve to be seen as literally the worst game on Steam. I never said otherwise. I hate, hate, HATE the MTX system...but as you said, this doesn't make it literally the worst game ever. MTX aside the game still works and the core gameplay loop is fun while you're in a match. Big Rigs: Over The Road Racing this is not.

Would I hit the Recommend button on Steam? No. The MTX strategy is a deal breaker for me. Whenever I'm not in a match I feel like a fucking product. At that point I'd rather just fire up another shooter because I straight up don't want to deal with that shit.

OW2 isn't a bad game. It is a predatory game. It is debatable which is worse (I consider predatory to be much worse than bad). Being predatory is plenty reason enough for a bad review.

TwilightVulpine,

You are really trying to downplay the power of marketing, but you seem to realize that gets people playing. Not only that but live service design is very effective at keeping people playing even when they are not having any fun whatsoever. Because they gotta grind the battle pass and such. Extrinsic rewards and habit-forming conditioning making up for a lack of intrinsic enjoyment.

Still, I would agree with you that it's not the worst game on Steam, but like I mentioned in the other comment, that's not what steam ratings mean. It means that the vast majority people would not recommend it, and that seems pretty reasonable.

Primarily0617,

bf2042 had a playercount in the high 1000s 2 months after its launch

ow2 released 10 months ago

are you saying bf2042 didn't have marketing?

which is more likely:

  • 50k people have been brainwashed into playing the game every day, and similar numbers into watching it on twitch
  • there is review bombing
TwilightVulpine,

Doesn't look like you even read my full comment so I'm gonna wait till you do.

Primarily0617,

i mean i ignored the second part because it was irrelevant

"You're entirely disconnected to reality if you think Overwatch 2 deserves to be the worst-reviewed game on Steam." doesn't say "deserves to be the worst game", so if we're playing the reading game maybe you should take the first turn

TwilightVulpine,

Oh, so you have no response to it so you are gonna pretend it doesn't matter. I see.

I could say I'd do the same but nothing you are saying now even addresses what I already responded to you, so I'll just call it a job done.

Primarily0617,

yes good job you failed to read my comment again 👏👏

TwilightVulpine,

On Steam being reviewed poorly is not a matter of rating from 1 to 10, but how many people would recommend it or not. It's completely valid that the vast majority of people would not recommend this game even if it's not a 0/10.

Primarily0617,

yes obviously, and none of that changes anything about the fact that very clearly OW2 isn't bad enough to deserve the title of worst rated game on steam

TwilightVulpine,

You tried to argue with someone else over this, but the fact that more people played it, being F2P, means that more people can agree that they wouldn't recommend it. Given how Steam ratings work, that makes it the worst rated. There's no arguing how it is. You seem to take an issue with it as if it meant Gabe Newell personally stamped it with a 0/10, which is not how it works.

In Steam, being 4/10 for thousands of people is worse than being 0/10 for a couple people.

Madison_rogue, w Unity cancels town hall over reported death threats
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

He was the CEO of Electronic Arts when the controversial loot box monetization was added to FIFA 09. He made news when he called developers “fucking idiots” over some developers’ reluctance to introduce monetization schemes earlier in the development process. There’s also the infamous clip of Riccitiello talking during a shareholder call about charging Battlefield players a dollar to reload their guns.

Look at this guy...I couldn't read all of the Bloomberg article due to paywall, so I don't know if this jackass actually provided proof of these "death threats."

While I don't condone them, it seems awfully convenient that an executive who's known to stir controversy with his monetization strategies received "alleged" death threats. I have a hard time believing it without proof because this guy is a sleaze ball greedy mofo.

FreeBooteR69,
@FreeBooteR69@kbin.social avatar

In any group of people there will always be a tiny subset of the population who will pull this unhinged bullshit. It's unfortunate, but now the CEO gets to play the victim, and anyone who's against his bullshit gets to be painted with the same brush as the unhinged guy.

gullible,

I never understand freaking out about death threats. If someone actually wanted to murder you, they’d be quiet and methodical about it, not grandiose. To be fair, I’ve never received a death threat so perhaps I’m not theeeeeeeeeeeee

Madison_rogue,
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

There might be a reason people freak out about death threats...

gullible,

I can’t reply, sorry. I’m dead.

Madison_rogue,
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

RIP gullible

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

Not trying to justify threats, but freaking out over one 40-year old event seems like overreaction, may not be the best argument.

Madison_rogue,
@Madison_rogue@kbin.social avatar

How 'bout last year?

Ferk, (edited )
@Ferk@kbin.social avatar

Particularly in the US, where having a gun is relatively easy... to the point that even school kids can end up getting hold of them. I'd be scared.

ThunderingJerboa,
@ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social avatar

I mean you are assuming the person who is trying to murder you is a rational actor but you can't really be a rational actor if you are threatening death to someone because of their shit monetization policies on your entertainment. Hell some people throw "Death threats" at people because they decide to change a reload speed by a fraction of a second. So yeah "gamers" can be quite unhinged. Hell you had idiots in Jan 6 who loudly stated their intention and beat a cop to death. Hell we have seen situations of weirdos getting close to celebrities (in their heads) then trying to kill them, and I imagine cases like that will only get worse with parasocial relationships getting a bit out of hand with modern influences and streamers.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

That's the fallacy of trying to understand criminal acts. For the most part, if someone were as smart, logical, and thoughtful as you are when you imagine the best way to commit murder, the kind of person to actually try and commit the murder would not be as smart, logical, or thoughtful to have gotten into that situation in the first place.

There are exceptions, of course, but it's enough of a possibility that it's probably better to take them seriously than not.

Edit: typed all that, scrolled down, some other dude already said it

green_witch, w The Witcher producer blames Americans and social media for Netflix series' simplified plot
@green_witch@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah, right.

I don’t think any American was like “wow I want a shittier version of the Witcher to watch, that’d be sooo great!”

masterspace,

American test audiences literally said that for I Am Legend which combined with studios unopinionated cowardice caused them to ruin the ending, amongst many, many, many other times that test audiences have given bad artistic feedback.

His anger should probably be focused at the showrunner / studio, but I’m guessing he’s not risking burning those bridges so is instead blaming the only other party in the decision making process, the test audiences.

green_witch,
@green_witch@beehaw.org avatar

Judging by your other claim in this thread that Americans have a 20% illiteracy rate, as an American here’s a 20% effort response:

Hurpdurp what’s i am legend gotta do with witchermans durrr

masterspace,

You do have a 20% illiteracy rate, and the response is that American test audiences have ruined very obviously good plots with their stupidity many times before.

green_witch,
@green_witch@beehaw.org avatar

Help, my literacy rate goes down every time I read your comments. Now, I can only communicate this way:

❔️🤔📖

MJBrune, w Unity Has Apologized For Its Install Fee Policy and Says It 'Will Be Making Changes' to It - IGN

Far too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

RandallFlagg, w Final Fantasy 16 sales did not meet high expectations, says Square Enix president

I’m interested in playing this but I don’t own a PS5 and I’m not buying a whole console for one game. They would have gotten a day 1 sale out of me if they released it on PC.

CIWS-30,

Knowing them, they'll probably do it. It'll just take a year or so.

Edit: that said, they should've done it to start with, and not kept it off of X-box. They're killing their brand and mindshare here.

Gordon_Freeman,
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

they'll probably do it

FTFY. The PC version was confirmed a long time ago

stopthatgirl7,
!deleted7120 avatar

Originally, they did plan to release it on PS5 and PC. My guess is Sony made a timed exclusivity deal with them, which Sony had done with companies before. SE shout themselves in the foot by taking it.

QuantumField,

Ditto for me. I have all Final Fantasy games released on PC, but I can’t justify buying a PS5 for a single game. I’ve chosen to watch a let’s play of the game. Glad I did because it’s definitely not a Final Fantasy I’d play a second time.

Caligvla, w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Considering Gabe is ex-microsoft and wants to distance himself as much as possible from them, I highly doubt that’d work, he’d go down fighting at the very least.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

No need to go down fighting. Valve is a private company. They can just say no.

50MYT,

The problem is when he goes down.

Gabe won’t live forever.

Rayspekt,

Or will he?

We need to fund some altered carbon stuff right now

echodot,

If the technology likenthat is even remotely possible then it’s already being funded you can guarantee it.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Valve is more than Gabe.

50MYT,

Yes.

But gabe owns it.

Itty53,
@Itty53@kbin.social avatar

Does he want to distance himself? Gabe said he learned more in his short months-long tenure at MS than he did in the rest of his academic career. He dropped out of Harvard, mind you.

He modeled his entire company off of MS. He even adopted their primary strategy, buy, polish and package. It's literally just embrace, extend, extinguish all over. Balmer taught him very well.

I really don't get why people think he's all that different from any other billionaire. He got there by buying out competition, and if they wouldn't sell, theft and litigation.

Caligvla,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not saying he’s different from other rich people, but Valve developing both SteamOS and Proton is a clear message they don’t want to rely on Microsoft and their software.

Itty53,
@Itty53@kbin.social avatar

Microsoft doesn't want to rely on licensed software every time they install their programs either. Again, Valve taking a queue from MS. And that's fine BTW, the whole industry follows MS.

Moreover the real issue, the difference in computing cost between running Win10 with all the unnecessary boost vs Linux is massive. Had they used Windows it would've costed more to be able to run less.

As to being reliant on Windows, that's been their standard most of their history. Steam was Windows based. If Windows were to go ahead with making a stripped down Windows OS that was specific to gaming, such as the one demoed in a code jam earlier this year, you can bet steam would be selling that version of Windows direct from their store, and likely have a easy tool ready to use to install it to your deck. They would probably offer it as an installation option too. Why not? There's no good reason they shouldn't. The whole verified question goes out the window. That's huge. But again, MS controls that situation, not Valve. They're still reliant on MS in major ways.

style99, w Unity Has Apologized For Its Install Fee Policy and Says It 'Will Be Making Changes' to It - IGN
@style99@kbin.social avatar

They "apologize" about "confusion" and "angst" that us stupid peasants have? That doesn't sound very apologetic to me. That sounds like they're doubling down.

Centillionaire,

All of these companies don’t realize how replaceable they are. Reddit got replaced for many of us with Lemmy. Unity devs can jump to Godot.

Chariotwheel,

Heck, this worse. We wouldn't lose massive amounts of money when posting on Reddit. This is about the existance and viability of development and companies.

apemint,
@apemint@kbin.social avatar

This is a huge opportunity for Unreal as well. I'm surprised they haven't announced some flashy on-boarding campaign.

Rodeo, w Starfield and Baldur’s Gate 3 Revive Age-Old RPG Debate About Encumbrance - IGN

What about gear durability? I hate that shit even more than I hate encumbrance.

exohuman,
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Yeah, encumbrance can be overcame but the durability thing is annoying. Especially when you can’t repair the gear.

discodoubloon,
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BOTW/TOTK Zelda games are the only ones that get it right. It’s a core game mechanic and they give you enough weapons to have fun with it.

RaineV1,

Eh. Can't say I had fun watching my higher end weapon break on the stronger, bullet sponge enemies later on, and replacing it with a crappy short swords that do barely any damage. ToTK though was certainly better thanks to fusion.

hydro033,

Same. Like what kind of sword breaks after 3 uses.

BruceTwarzen,

That it kind of the thing tho, if you just violently smash your sword around, it's gonna break. Like katanas are pretty flimsy and a german greatsword for example could just snap it off. Let's take elden ring for example and you use your sword to find an invisible wall, that's terrible for a sword and it would go to shit really quick. So i guess in a way it's realistic. But i really don't like it when games do that. All it does for me is that i'm never going to use the nice things in the game, because they break, then you need a new one or repair it or whatever.
I'm fine with encumbrance... especially in these Bethesda games. All they do is litter the world with garbage for the player to pick up and carry around for no reason other than make the game longer.

LineNoise, w Epic is now offering 100% of the revenue to exclusive games for the first 6 months, up from 88%

My experience of Epic exclusives is that most become things that are never on my radar again, even after the exclusive period.

I take it from this increase in rates that I’m far from alone in that regard.

ampersandrew,
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All signs point to that program being a failure for them, which is why the exclusivity offers and announcements started drying up, but I guess this is them trying a revised strategy.

CIWS-30, w Insomniac, Blizzard, Obsidian Devs Attack Baldur's Gate 3 Scope, Call it "Rockstar-Like Nonsense"...

Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3, they just want a complete game that works without shitty microtransactions everywhere and always online for no reason. Plus, having interesting characters and storylines, quests that can be solved in more than one way, and gameplay that's actually formed by taking player feedback and listening to it is what people reacted well to, among other things. Baldur's Gate 3 doesn't even have Denuvo!

If there's one thing that I hope competitors learn from Larian and BG3, it's that respecting your players and giving them what they want leads to success. Similar to Elden Ring and from software, like that video mentioned. Now compare BG3 to Diablo 4 and Immortal, or the upcoming Starfield and you'll see why people love it. It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

Wait, what's wrong with the upcoming Starfield?

Goronmon,

Nobody really expects RPG's to be as big and deep as BG3...

Just to warn you, you will now be quoted in a future video about "Social media viciously attacks Larian for games that are too big and too deep!"

TheRazorX, (edited )

It's not about specs or scope, it's about designing a game to be actually FUN.

This is the key point that these publishers and studios are trying to avoid.

  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on designing microtransaction psychologically manipulative money sinks (dark designs)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on creating addiction in the player-base so that they keep playing the game (and spending money)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DLC (not actual new content)?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit to satisfy shareholders?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on shit the devs don't want, but executives do?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit padding for marketing purposes?
  • How much of most AAA budgets are spent on bullshit DRM?

And keep in mind, by budgets here, I mean both the dollar amount AND time spent by devs that could be spent elsewhere (which is part of the dollar amount since salaries, but I wanted to make it clear that time spent is also important).

Some of the absolute best games in the industry have literally none of that, and people still want to play and buy them years after release because gasp they're actually fun, but these publishers and devs don't want to compare to those, because they WANT the industry to be a bunch of "GAAS" bullshit that's basically a vacuum pushed into people's wallets, cause hey, if it worked for Candy Crush....

Poggervania, w Disco Elysium for $12 may be the best $12 you ever spend on games in your life
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

Honestly, better to pirate the game because ZA/UM fucked over the original devs and now they don’t get any money from the game’s sales - and it ruined any potential for a sequel.

Here’s a Youtube vid on that drama.

ripcord,
@ripcord@kbin.social avatar

I don't normally do this, and I'll go do some searching of my own, but any chance for a tldw on the video? What's the background? 2.5 hours is a bit much and the intro was sort of wandering and more or less.just repeated that yes, the game was stolen from them.

MentalEdge, w Cult of the Lamb Developer Threatens to Delete Game on Jan 1 Amid Unity Backlash - IGN
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Oh dear. The only option left will be to pirate it… And in the new model, the dev might have to pay unity even for pirated installs.

ShaunaTheDead,
@ShaunaTheDead@kbin.social avatar

For real? That's crazy!

metaStatic,

Try to charge me retroactively for anything and see how fast I lawyer up.

Unaware7013,

Right? How the fuck is it legal to decide that your customers retroactively owe you money just because you unilaterally said so?

HolyDuckTurtle,
@HolyDuckTurtle@kbin.social avatar

One of the really fun details about this fiasco is a few years back, after they had made a big PR fuck up like this, Unity stated they would make their Terms of Service version-bound. If you had Unity 2019 and continued to use it forever, you would only have to abide by the ToS for that version. Put simply, they could not retroactively apply new changes to you.

...Guess which segment got quietly removed last year!

conciselyverbose,

I would think their public statements would significantly hurt the ability to do this, even if developers "agreed" to the terms without that clause.

I straight up don't think they could legally do it either way. But if they made public statements specifically addressing this particular thing, it has to significantly weaken their case.

Unaware7013,

That's the part I don't get. If I bought it in 2020 or whenever that was in the license, how can they decide to violate the license on the software you bought?

It's one thing of you go into the agreement knowing about the fees, but enforcing them retroactively against your own license agreement sounds like you're asking for a lawsuit.

Itty53,
@Itty53@kbin.social avatar

Put simply, they could not retroactively apply new changes to you.

Sounds like they could though?

Jokes aside, this is another in a recent string of "let's pretend our ToS are legally binding documents as fool-proof as the law" actions by major companies because ... well, who's stopping them?

Gordon_Freeman,
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

your customers retroactively owe you money just because you unilaterally said so?

John Riccitiello is Unity's CEO, you may remember him from being EA's CEO or for being the guy who said the devs who don't monetize (you know adding microtransactions, loot boxes and all that greedy stuff) their videogames are "fucking idiots". I think that explains all

TwilightVulpine,

Over a finished unavailable product and unauthorized distribution? They might as well sue Unity back for trying to profit over piracy of their works.

Pamasich, (edited )

Only monetized games have to pay. If they stop selling the game, they shouldn't be affected anymore.

Also

Does the Unity Runtime Fee apply to pirated copies of games?
We are happy to work with any developer who has been the victim of piracy so that they are not unfairly hurt by unwanted installs.
(source)

wave_walnut,
@wave_walnut@kbin.social avatar

"trust me bro"

Wirrvogel,
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Ferk, (edited )
@Ferk@kbin.social avatar

As far as I understand (someone correct me if I'm wrong) games that are free / non-commercial and have zero revenue are not affected at all by this, they still don't have to pay anything regardless of the number of installs.

If the game is no longer being sold (and thus no longer commercial / having revenue), then I expect that even under those new rules Unity would also not charge the dev.

Sethayy,

“Will games made with Unity phone-home to track installs?

We will refine how we collect install data over time with a goal of accurately understanding the number of times the Unity runtime is distributed. Any install data will be collected in accordance with our Privacy Policy and applicable privacy laws.”

Sounds like they’re gonna add tracking data to the game, so probably pirated installs won’t count

conciselyverbose,

“Will games made with Unity phone-home to track installs?

We will refine how we collect install data over time with a goal of accurately understanding the number of times the Unity runtime is distributed. Any install data will be collected in accordance with our Privacy Policy and applicable privacy laws.” They already do, and fuck you for asking.

What a joke of a response.

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