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Dagamant, w Diablo IV Coming to Steam on October 17

Not worth it regardless of the platform. I loved the Diablo games and this game was the end of that love.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

Diablo 4 isn’t that bad. Diablo Immortal is bad.

Dagamant,

Being “not that bad” is still bad. It’s not worth the price.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

As a person who bought it at $70 because the demo was really really good, yep.

Id recommend buying it for $20. Or waiting for all the content drops. Diablo 3 only got good with the expansion.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

Diablo 3 got good much earlier.

The release of the console version was what spured them to make the game better it was highly praised so they imported all of those features to the PC version.

Every class having movement abilities, change in the difficulty format and Loot 2.0.

Right now, Diablo 4 is much better than Diablo 3 was on release. It just lacks an endgame.

Atomic,

It lacks so many more things than just endgame.

You comparing D4 to D3 at launch is just ridiculous. That’s the standard you have? For it to be better than D3 launch? I’ve seen flash games better than D3 at launch. It’s not exactly an achievement.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

Except it needed to be literally perfect for me to give Blizzard Activision another cent.

prettybunnys,

You know I really wanted to love it.

I loved Diablo.

I loved Diablo 2

Diablo 3 was sometimes amazing

I haven’t picked up 4 since I played an hour of the battle pass.

They ought to reimagine the game as the rogue like it was.

I want to be a warrior with fire bolt again, let me find book shelves too!

manapropos, w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.

It’s Ubisoft, who would be surprised? Pirates get a better experience than paying customers and it’s been that way for over a decade

empireOfLove, (edited ) w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.
@empireOfLove@lemmy.one avatar

Ubisoft does the Ubisoft thing - nothing new under the sun.

Refund, refund, refund. The only single thing they will ever care about is the $.

netchami,

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  • Pregnenolone,

    No one fucking cares. This isn’t Reddit.

    Apollo,

    Why, you going to fight them one by one, Jay and Silent Bob style?

    resketreke,
    @resketreke@kbin.social avatar
    empireOfLove,
    @empireOfLove@lemmy.one avatar

    No clue, cause my instance has downvotes disabled and idgaf lol

    Probably a corporate bootlicker(s), why there are so many who feel like they need to defend the huge game companies I have no idea…

    korewa, w Diablo IV Coming to Steam on October 17

    I can’t even get myself to finish the story mode, I fun know why it feels boring

    CraigeryTheKid,

    I finished the story, quite liked it, thought it was great.

    But THEN I join you where it just died and got so boring after. I had no problem “grinding” in D3, so what’s different? They somehow managed to make the core of the core game not worth doing.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    It took Diablo 3 around 3 years to get to that stage though.

    explodicle,

    I feel like they’re on the right path with uniques and legendaries in D4. Sets in D3 provided huge bonuses and took up most slots, diminishing build variety.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    I ultimately refunded D4 but I suspect I will pick it up again in the future on sale and when they game has improved quite a bit.

    0xc0ba17,

    Yeah and Diablo III came out 10 years ago. There’s no excuse for Diablo IV.

    Diablo III was (and still is) dumb mindless fun, it’s perfect at what it offers. Diablo IV is just boring, with a cash shop and paid seasons on top of it. Like oh sure, I’d love to pay to get a super nice transmog that nobody except me will ever see since the game is super dead.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

    Diablo 3 was a dumpster fire. D3 players have almost completely dropped off as people either play D4 or D2R.

    0xc0ba17,

    Oh it definitely was a dumpster fire while the auction house existed. No doubt about it. But if you try it today, it’s a nice over-the-top ARPG.

    D3 players have almost completely dropped off as people either play D4 or D2R.

    I’m not talking about popularity here, I’m talking about fun. The popularity of a solo game absolutely doesn’t matter.

    korewa,

    Yea d3 is on top of most hours.

    I did play d3 on the first few weeks when it came out and downed Diablo pre nerf. I remember not liking the grind but that was when only DH could effectively farm, I built a full tank barb with life steal and heals

    Dagamant,

    You could accomplish something in a 20 minute session of D3. You could get a rift done, maybe two, get enough stuff to upgrade something or find a better piece of equipment. You can’t get anything worthwhile done in D4 with only 20 minutes.

    AdmiralShat, w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.

    I think anyone who reviewed it should publish a secondary videos explaining this.

    This seems like it’s legitimately false advertising

    Whirlybird,

    Where is the false advertising?

    r_se_random,

    None of the reviewers experienced the game with Denuvo. Reviews are a form of advertisement (good or bad)

    Whirlybird,

    That’s not how it works. Someone else reviewing your product isn’t advertising by you.

    Sivalente,

    Providing a deceitful product for your reviewers before publication is kinda exactly that.

    Whirlybird,

    They’re not advertising anything.

    Hadriscus,

    The point is, the reviews represent a game that’s not the one being sold. Additionally, it’s reasonable to believe this was done on purpose. This should be simple to understand ?

    Whirlybird,

    You know what’s simple to understand? False advertising. They’re not advertising the game as “no Denuvo!!” and then putting in denuvo. A completely independent company doing a review isn’t the publisher doing advertising.

    Hadriscus,

    Ok

    Bronzie,

    Of course it is.
    Them sending a copy of a game in the hopes the media outlet will write a favourable review is marketing 101.
    It’s practically free marketing, so it’s the best kind even.

    If the review came after launch from a purchased copy, then your argument would have had a leg to stand on mate.

    Whirlybird,

    False Advertising has a definition, and that ain’t it. Someone else doing “free advertising” for them isn’t false advertising by them.

    This isn’t rocket science. They’re not doing any advertising saying it has no denuvo.

    Bronzie,

    By your logic, if I release a drug not mentioning it will kill you while knowing it will, I am not guilty of false advertisement even if I send it out for free knowing this will be published.
    Murder sure, but not false advertisement.

    If a game is being sent out without a performance limiting software with a clear plan of introducing this for the retail version, I would argue it follows the actual definition.

    Quote: «the crime or tort of publishing, broadcasting, or otherwise publicly distributing an advertisement that contains an untrue, misleading, or deceptive representation or statement which was made knowingly or recklessly and with the intent to promote the sale of property, goods, or services to the public».

    It’s deceptive. There is no arguing it. You seem like a bright dude arguing a moot point in to deep to accept being wrong.

    Whirlybird,

    I’m not wrong though, which is why I won’t accept it. They didn’t publish an advertisement. End of story. It’s shady as shit, but it’s not false advertising because they didn’t advertise anything here, let alone “no denuvo!”.

    Bronzie,

    Then I suggest you stop talking about rocket science until you gain the ability to see the world in a bit more of a nuance mate.

    Have a great weekend!

    Whirlybird,

    By “more nuance” you mean “ignore meanings of words and terms”, right?

    If you didn’t advertise something you didn’t do false advertising.

    riskable,
    @riskable@programming.dev avatar

    Actually this guy is correct: What Ubisoft is doing here isn’t false advertising, it’s fraud.

    False advertising is a very specific thing: You say something that isn’t true in an ad or as part of your product’s packaging. Like saying your product has a USB C port when in reality it has a Micro USB port and comes with an adapter. Companies that pull stunts like that rarely have legal consequences but technically it is against the law (why there’s not usually legal consequences is because most retailers will refund a product within 30 days without any penalty to the consumer).

    Ubisoft is giving reviewers a different product than what they’re planning on giving to consumers. It’s like going to a car dealership, test driving a car, ordering that model, then when it finally arrives it’s a completely different car (e.g. smaller engine, different/weaker/flawed parts, etc). Case law is filled to the brim with scams like this. It’s one of the oldest and most widely-repeated types of fraud that’s ever existed: Bait and switch.

    AdmiralShat,

    Denuvo has an impact on performance for many games, so they artificially inflated the performance, and some people don’t buy games with Denuvo on principle, many reviewers will note that in their video.

    Whirlybird,

    That’s not false advertising by the developers/publisher.

    AdmiralShat,

    Fuck off with your corporate shilling

    Whirlybird,

    Imagine being so dumb you think that correctly pointing out when something isn’t false advertising is “corporate shilling” 😂

    Mushroomm,

    You’re arguing over semantics. Legally it’s not false advertising but it effectively is. You’re both talking past each other but only one of you is being stubborn for the sake of it. I’d have little patience for you too.

    PM_ME_FEET_PICS, w Browser games you have burned a lot of time on?

    Urban Dead was fun back when I played it. Used to be on the forums a lot and organize curing centres or safe zones.

    Dominate Game. Great online risk game with elo system. You could play the default maps in the browser but thier client let you play tons of customer player made maps. Sadly this one got taken down a long time ago, is has a spiritual successor as Dominate 12.

    Supremacy 1914. Only played 2 matches of this game, but do to its nature it was over the course of 6 months or so. I believe they have a download client now and the game is also on Steam now.

    mindbleach,

    Barhah!

    gila, w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.

    Wait, but they already launched it without Denuvo. So pirates can easily crack the launch version without it, and only paying customers need to deal with the antipiracy bullshit? Nice, they took a pro-piracy hyperbole and made it actually real.

    julianh,

    I’m thinking this too… like what’s even the point of using denuvo if it’s not applied day one? The whole point is to delay piracy so they sell more copies during launch week (in theory), so waiting until after day one completely ruins that since you can just pirate the easily cracked launch version.

    kautau,

    The point is that they purposefully left (or created) bugs in the day one version that are fixed in this patch after you install denuvo

    It’s not the first time they’ve done something like that, they broke another assassins creed game and leaked it to get people to buy the real copy, this is no different

    gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/…/43146901

    Derproid,

    Doesn’t this make it easier to crack the denuvo as well though? Since now you have a list of changes to look at for where denuvo is implemented.

    redcalcium,

    It’s not a day one patch, but day-1 patch. The game will be released a few hours from now.

    Hotzilla,

    If non DRM version is given to reviewers, it will leak to crackers, unless you control 100% of reviewers you give a copy. This does not make any sense.

    circuitfarmer,
    @circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    That’s the thing: paying consumers always pay the price for DRM by having to jump through any hoops.

    Whirlybird,

    There are no “hoops” here though?

    Veraxus,
    @Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

    DRM ONLY ever affects paying customers, ergo DRM is always unethical malware.

    Also, let’s never forget how Ghostwire Tokyo had Denuvo patched IN over a year after release.

    gila,

    Eh, I only meant hyperbole in terms of antipiracy affecting the pirates that had to figure out how to crack it. As a broad gesture at the fact piracy (consumption) depends on piracy (effort) to work

    ColeSloth,

    Reviewers get games prior to release day. So it may not be so likely that you can get a working game without the day 1 patch.

    Whirlybird,

    Sounds like they added it after the review embargo ended but before the game releases to the public.

    Honytawk,

    So time for those reviewers to send their version.

    Whirlybird,

    😂 yeah if they want to get blacklisted and sued.

    wildginger,

    Unless each review copy is internally flagged, I wouldnt expect anyone to own up to leaking the copy to even risk being sued.

    gila,

    You’re right, according to Ubi the update on PC was ‘included in the 41.6 GB game files ahead of Oct 5’. It was a prerelease patch, not day 1.

    Nice of Epic to start directly exploiting the lack of PC physical media around the same time people are talking about getting rid of disc drives on consoles.

    Whirlybird,

    Epic? This is Ubisoft.

    gila,

    I think the primary method of PC sales for this game is on the Epic Game Store. Yeah I neglected to consider it’s also available from Ubisoft+ or whatever but also does anyone actually use that

    Epic Game Store also doesn’t have any preloading, meaning they had all the opportunity to deploy Denuvo pre-launch but post-embargo without having preloads as a loose end.

    Veraxus,
    @Veraxus@kbin.social avatar

    What does Epic have to do with this?

    alldreadme,
    @alldreadme@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, but pirates won’t be able to get the newer updates/bugfixes

    XTornado, w The modder behind Burps of Skyrim and Snores of Skyrim has made a breakthrough in the field of customizable flatulence with Farts of Skyrim

    I cannot wait for Starfield editions.

    epicsninja, w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.

    Well, they’ve accidentally made a really easy workaround, then. Just download the day one depot and you can play without Denuvo.

    FoundTheVegan,
    @FoundTheVegan@kbin.social avatar

    True, but will also prevent you from getting any other updates or bug fixes. This is such a scummy action for Ubi to do, I wouldn't it put it past em to pair this with some sort of game bricking.... "glitch" that needs a patch.

    Pieisawesome,

    They did exactly that In another assassins creed game

    KairuByte, w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.
    @KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I… but… that… that isn’t how this works…

    You’re putting the cat outside after it already ate the canary.

    Monomate, w Unity Fallout Continues: Dev Group Shuts Down While Developers Refuse To Come Back

    This article only mentions old quotes from develpers. Nothing new to see here…

    NanoooK,

    It’s from after the updated price structure, it’s not that old.

    Monomate,

    The price structure update is old news by now as well.

    someguy7734206, w The modder behind Burps of Skyrim and Snores of Skyrim has made a breakthrough in the field of customizable flatulence with Farts of Skyrim

    This is exactly the sort of headline I hoped to read in a gaming community.

    praise_idleness, w The modder behind Burps of Skyrim and Snores of Skyrim has made a breakthrough in the field of customizable flatulence with Farts of Skyrim

    This is big if true

    yesdogishere, w Unity Fallout Continues: Dev Group Shuts Down While Developers Refuse To Come Back

    Sooner Unity dies the better. Same with Unreal engine. Tired of crappy programming codes. We need to start fresh. Back to machine language !!!

    jormaig,

    What’s wrong with Unreal? IMO it’s quite an amazing engine.

    Alk,

    You see, what they are trying to say is that the 1’s and 0’s are nice and crispety crunchety but unreal engine is soft and mushy.

    slimerancher,
    @slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

    Crispety Crunchety sounds so much nicer than soft and mushy! Back to machine language it is!

    war,
    @war@kbin.social avatar

    Once we're back, I volunteer to invent C.

    AlligatorBlizzard,

    Okay Chris Sawyer.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    Wow, you wrote a game engine in machibe language?

    Can we see it?

    CancerMancer,

    That’s an interesting way of saying you’ve never delivered a commercial product.

    DeriHunter, w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.

    It was the same with lies of P… I think it’s becoming a trend and someone needs to stop it, it’s false advertising. None of the reviews are credible, they’re not reviewing the same game

    DrQuint,

    Nah, they don’t need to stop this at all. This basically lets people pirate games all they want so long as the devs don’t intentionally throw in a game breaking bug on the review version.

    HughJanus,

    I think Valve has the power to end this nonsense…

    rivalary,

    Ah shit… Removed it from my wishlist. At least I didn’t already buy it.

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