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AdmiralShat, w Ubisoft just added Denuvo to Assassins Creed Mirage via a day-1 patch a few minutes ago. AFTER all the major reviews went online.

I think anyone who reviewed it should publish a secondary videos explaining this.

This seems like it’s legitimately false advertising

Whirlybird,

Where is the false advertising?

r_se_random,

None of the reviewers experienced the game with Denuvo. Reviews are a form of advertisement (good or bad)

Whirlybird,

That’s not how it works. Someone else reviewing your product isn’t advertising by you.

Sivalente,

Providing a deceitful product for your reviewers before publication is kinda exactly that.

Whirlybird,

They’re not advertising anything.

Hadriscus,

The point is, the reviews represent a game that’s not the one being sold. Additionally, it’s reasonable to believe this was done on purpose. This should be simple to understand ?

Whirlybird,

You know what’s simple to understand? False advertising. They’re not advertising the game as “no Denuvo!!” and then putting in denuvo. A completely independent company doing a review isn’t the publisher doing advertising.

Hadriscus,

Ok

Bronzie,

Of course it is.
Them sending a copy of a game in the hopes the media outlet will write a favourable review is marketing 101.
It’s practically free marketing, so it’s the best kind even.

If the review came after launch from a purchased copy, then your argument would have had a leg to stand on mate.

Whirlybird,

False Advertising has a definition, and that ain’t it. Someone else doing “free advertising” for them isn’t false advertising by them.

This isn’t rocket science. They’re not doing any advertising saying it has no denuvo.

Bronzie,

By your logic, if I release a drug not mentioning it will kill you while knowing it will, I am not guilty of false advertisement even if I send it out for free knowing this will be published.
Murder sure, but not false advertisement.

If a game is being sent out without a performance limiting software with a clear plan of introducing this for the retail version, I would argue it follows the actual definition.

Quote: «the crime or tort of publishing, broadcasting, or otherwise publicly distributing an advertisement that contains an untrue, misleading, or deceptive representation or statement which was made knowingly or recklessly and with the intent to promote the sale of property, goods, or services to the public».

It’s deceptive. There is no arguing it. You seem like a bright dude arguing a moot point in to deep to accept being wrong.

Whirlybird,

I’m not wrong though, which is why I won’t accept it. They didn’t publish an advertisement. End of story. It’s shady as shit, but it’s not false advertising because they didn’t advertise anything here, let alone “no denuvo!”.

Bronzie,

Then I suggest you stop talking about rocket science until you gain the ability to see the world in a bit more of a nuance mate.

Have a great weekend!

Whirlybird,

By “more nuance” you mean “ignore meanings of words and terms”, right?

If you didn’t advertise something you didn’t do false advertising.

riskable,
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

Actually this guy is correct: What Ubisoft is doing here isn’t false advertising, it’s fraud.

False advertising is a very specific thing: You say something that isn’t true in an ad or as part of your product’s packaging. Like saying your product has a USB C port when in reality it has a Micro USB port and comes with an adapter. Companies that pull stunts like that rarely have legal consequences but technically it is against the law (why there’s not usually legal consequences is because most retailers will refund a product within 30 days without any penalty to the consumer).

Ubisoft is giving reviewers a different product than what they’re planning on giving to consumers. It’s like going to a car dealership, test driving a car, ordering that model, then when it finally arrives it’s a completely different car (e.g. smaller engine, different/weaker/flawed parts, etc). Case law is filled to the brim with scams like this. It’s one of the oldest and most widely-repeated types of fraud that’s ever existed: Bait and switch.

AdmiralShat,

Denuvo has an impact on performance for many games, so they artificially inflated the performance, and some people don’t buy games with Denuvo on principle, many reviewers will note that in their video.

Whirlybird,

That’s not false advertising by the developers/publisher.

AdmiralShat,

Fuck off with your corporate shilling

Whirlybird,

Imagine being so dumb you think that correctly pointing out when something isn’t false advertising is “corporate shilling” 😂

Mushroomm,

You’re arguing over semantics. Legally it’s not false advertising but it effectively is. You’re both talking past each other but only one of you is being stubborn for the sake of it. I’d have little patience for you too.

PerogiBoi, w Why Building Your Own PC Is Still a Smart Move in 2023 | Toms Hardware
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

My last PC build had a GTX 1060 that I bought at the time for $330.

My most recent one has an RTX 3060Ti and I paid over $700 for it 😭

If GPU prices don’t come down it’s going to be cheaper and smarter for me to buy a prebuilt PC, at least where I live.

catharticrespite,

Wow that sucks. Pcpartpicker has 3060 ti’s ~$370 now

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

My heart bleeds.

banazir, w CD Projekt employees form a union
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

Well that’s nice. Games industry is not known for treating it’s employees fairly. Or even humanely. I don’t know what the situation is in Poland, but I hope this is a positive development for them.

magikmw,

Reports of months of crunch before Cyberpunk’s release make the image pretty clear. There’s bunch of small indies and some midsized contractor companies in Poland, but not many on AAA level. Techland, CDP and People Can Fly (I think they are independent from Epic again?) are the only ones I can think of. Oh 11bit maybe.

charles, w Weekly what have you been playing discussion - week of October, 2, 2023

Dave the Diver on my steamdeck and Forza Motorsport on Xbox.

clay_pidgin, w Why CCP haven't stopped trying to make an EVE Online shooter for 15 years

It should be fun. The Fanfest presentations went well and players are cautiously optimistic about Vanguard. Dust was popular, but not successful commercially. In part, that’s because it was a console exclusive that tied to a PC-only main game. If anyone has questions about EVE, let me know.

ThatOneDudeFromOhio,

o7

clay_pidgin,

o7, capsuleer.

Risk,

Regarding Vanguard - how will it tie in to EVE? Will Vanguard players be able to sell stuff to EVE players for currency?

clay_pidgin,

I haven’t heard anything about how vanguard will tie into the economy, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

There’s a new pirate faction-team-up called "the deathless"and several new pirate ships, and I would imagine that Vanguard players might get faction LP which they could sell or use.

Maajmaaj, w Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor - Getting offline mode
@Maajmaaj@lemmy.ca avatar

Fuck yeah! Between this game and darktide, I’ve been playing 40k games non stop. It’s so awesome that Inquisitor is only $10 on steam

Weylandyuta,

Yeah the definitive edition sale came in clutch. I only had the base game and the tech priest on PS5 but now I have the sororitas and the mission dlcs all for a tenner on steam. Should pair nicely with the steam deck.

Pregnenolone, w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient

Neither Cyberpunk nor Starfield are rushing to win any awards for their writing. I’m playing the expansion for Cyberpunk at the moment and it’s average at best.

Sharpiemarker, w Epic only realized it had ‘financial problem’ that led to layoffs 10 weeks ago

Not paying developers and then axing 800 employees? Surely Epic can’t be long for the world at this rate.

Caligvla,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Surely Epic can’t be long for the world at this rate.

One can hope.

Sharpiemarker,

While I also dislike Epic, I feel that their going under would be a bad thing for the industry as a whole. There are only a few game distribution platforms of this size; Steam, Epic, Prime, GOG, and EA/Origin (not including Consoles). So there will be less competition and less innovation. They give out a ton of free games, and people may lose access to those licenses. They also employ(ed) a large number of people who are going to be jobless. I’d prefer they get their act together and be held accountable.

muddybulldog, (edited )

Epic has never been about innovation in the retail space. Sweeney talks a good game but it’s always been consistently out of his ass. He launched the Epic game store framing it as some sort of crusade on behalf of consumers, “Apple bad”, “Steam bad” but the reality is he just didn’t want to split money with others in the stack. I don’t blame him for that but his marketing was disingenuous and it’s quite obvious, now, that his business plan was inherently flawed.

His performative crusade against Apple has now led to 20% of the company looking for new jobs. We all stood by cheering, selling our souls for a bucket load of cheap games that, for the most part, we wouldn’t actually have paid for and will never get around to playing.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I don’t really care about EGS, I’m more concerned about Unreal Engine. If they keep dumping money into EGS exclusives and whatnot, it could impact UE investment, which would be bad for the industry.

Metal_Zealot, w CD Projekt employees form a union
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

They could sense the layoffs coming

_waffle_, w Xbox Series X/S players feel forgotten by Rockstar after Red Dead Redemption 60fps PS5 port
@_waffle_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Anything Rockstar and Sony related I’d assume would be shitty for Xbox people. The bonuses that PlayStation players could get for GTA Online was ridiculous, so this is nothing new unfortunately.

dan1101, w Todd Howard says Starfield was 'made to be played for a long time,' but a month after launch I'm already drifting away

I’m looking forward to the first big update, and the update that officially supports modding, although that is supposed to be next year.

Kolgeirr, w Warhammer 40,000: Inquisitor - Getting offline mode

Well cool, about time. If they put offline mode in it’ll finally make sense to put it on my Steam deck. Been wanting to play it portable since I got the deck but always use it away from home and setting up a hotspot connection to play an ARPG solo isn’t great.

YeetPics, w Todd Howard says Starfield was 'made to be played for a long time,' but a month after launch I'm already drifting away

That’s totally fine.

gsf, w CD Projekt employees form a union

Not just at CD Projekt. This is a trade union!

Gorgeous_Sloth, w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient

I absolutely don’t get why Bethesda sold Starfield as a “new generation rpg”. It’s nothing but an archaic game with old mechanics. Don’t get me wrong, I’m really enjoying my time on the game so far (30/40h).

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