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FangedWyvern42, do games w Star Citizen Expose Paints a Fairly Bleak Picture: 'There's No Actual Focus on Getting the Game Done'
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

Is anyone really surprised?

I do think they will at least release Squadron 42, but the main game is never coming out

rozodru,

I honestly don’t even think they’ll get that far. I mean they’ve announced it now, yet again, for a 2026 release date…two years from now. they’ve been doing this for the past decade. “It’ll release in 2016” then it’s “Squadron 42 coming 2018” and so on and so forth. Mark my words we’ll get to 2026 and at their little convention they have to further milk their userbase of money they’ll announce Squadron 42 for 2028 but please, user, they need more backers and as a reward for backing you’ll get a fancy ship you’ll never get to keep.

Banzai51,
@Banzai51@midwest.social avatar

I’m pretty sure Chris Roberts views Squadron 42 as the main game.

Etterra, do games w Star Citizen Expose Paints a Fairly Bleak Picture: 'There's No Actual Focus on Getting the Game Done'

I never fell for this, and I’m laughing at you if you did.

throbbing_banjo,
@throbbing_banjo@lemmy.world avatar

They got my $40 in 2012. I absolutely loved the Wing Commander series; Wing Commander II was an embarrassingly important part of my adolescense, I love space sims, and still had fond enough memories of the name Chris Roberts that I didn’t think he’d blatantly lie and steal from me.

How people are still giving these clowns money I have no idea.

setsneedtofeed,
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

People are buying the dream. There is personal investment now- this isn’t a game, this is their game. Supporters tend to talk like this is a community project, not a transaction between a customer and a studio.

Whenever the studio finally folds, I guarantee there will be whales lamenting that if they’d only spent a little more they’d have kept the game afloat.

Summzashi,

Same here. It was a much different time. Lots of games that originated in kickstarter became succesful. This just seemed like another one.

Hindsight is 20/20

SynopsisTantilize,

One of my ex coworkers has spent somewhere in the ballpark of 12k. He sells, flips and trades rare ships to sell back to people after the exclusivity of the ship has expired. He’s made like 4k. I don’t understand gaming anymore.

funkless_eck,

to be fair this kind of expenditure and aftermarket exists in CCGs.

SynopsisTantilize,

Yes of course! But I’d imagine the average CSGO/2 player is really only in for $100 or so on side market deals. Not 1000s. The lowest ship is like $35 or something.

funkless_eck,

CCGS, I meant like Magic the Gathering, Pokémon, Yu Gi Oh

SynopsisTantilize,

What is ccgs?

sulgoth,

Collectable card game.

SynopsisTantilize,

Oh duh. Lol my bad.

ours,

That’s not gaming anymore than people buying toys, leaving them in their boxes as an “investment” are into playing with toys.

Meanwhile the rest of us are buying games, playing them, enjoying them, moving on to other games and so on.

SynopsisTantilize,

Yea that’s where I’m at. I’m platform agnostic, and the only game I simp for is the original halo trilogy. Microtransactions are dirty. And making digitized items a financial value just to sell them is the same as what you said, like Funko pop collectors.

Buddahriffic,

Lol if that game is ever finished, I bet there’s going to be some people who paid way too much for a ship that turns out to completely suck but seemed ok on paper. Kinda like a PT cruiser, except it looked ok on paper.

SynopsisTantilize,

Lmfao the PT Cruiser! My Grandmother’s new husband has one, and he put flame decals on it as one does…backwards.

Yes theres a shit ton to balance. Honestly no mans sky seems more appealing now adays. I might go fire that up on my xbone.

ByteOnBikes,

I used to be like you, laughing and enjoying life.

The new director of technology we just hired a few months ago flexed about how he’s now hit 6-digit donations to Star Citizen. It’s still early and he hasn’t shown any results, but if he’s following the Star Citizen path of growth, my department is fucked.

reksas,

i want to fall for it yet i keep waiting for further development, thankfully they occasionally do free flight events so I can actually test the game without having to pay

yamanii, do games w Star Citizen Expose Paints a Fairly Bleak Picture: 'There's No Actual Focus on Getting the Game Done'
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve genuinely been sat in meetings that got derailed for 30 minutes so that the placement of objects that players are likely never to interact with could be discussed in detail. There’s just no actual focus on getting the game done.

We have a saying here that translates to something like this: “perfect is the enemy of done”. Getting lost in details like this will always delay things a ton.

cmhe,

Also called bikeshedding.

Fades,

My boss LOVES to throw that out all the time as a defense for when I inform him that he and mgmt are rushing something out the door that isn’t ready.

It definitely has wisdom but it’s not something to wave around all the time either.

Not that that’s the problem here, SC ain’t ever coming out and it’s not because of perfection. It’s because it’s a scam lol

Read this fucking gofundme trash: robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

WhyFlip, do games w Star Citizen Expose Paints a Fairly Bleak Picture: 'There's No Actual Focus on Getting the Game Done'

Star Citizen sounds right up my alley in terms of game content and play, but I will never touch it due to the business model they’ve chosen.

Psythik,

All I want is a space pirate game that doesn’t require me to quit my job and dedicate my life to it in order to acquire a good enough ship to actually be competitive.

That, or a street racing MMO with realistic physics and a true-to-life level of customization and tuning, that has a map the size of small country. Like The Crew except no arcade physics and more than 5 players in a server. And also not shit.

Somebody, please make one of these two games already. I need this so badly in my lifetime before I die.

Randomgal,

You want that online? If you’re okay with single player, the first one does exist: Check out the X series of games, the latest one is X:4 Foundations.

Idk about racing lmao

Psythik,

Gotta be online. Single player AI just isn’t good enough yet to entertain my dopamine-deprived brain. (I have ADHD).

bbuez,

My dream is to make or at least be a part of the former

It is very hard

barryamelton,

For racing, you have Fly Dangerous. It is also a successful FOSS game!

store.steampowered.com/app/…/Fly_Dangerous/

RangerJosie, do games w Star Citizen Expose Paints a Fairly Bleak Picture: 'There's No Actual Focus on Getting the Game Done'
@RangerJosie@lemmy.world avatar

It’s called Store Citizen for a reason.

Randomgal,

Scam Citizen

immutable, do games w Star Citizen Expose Paints a Fairly Bleak Picture: 'There's No Actual Focus on Getting the Game Done'

Why would you complete a game when you can make a constant stream of income and increase that income stream with announcements and drip feeds.

Look at this madness robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

filcuk,

64th million has finally allowed for the technology of having pets added to the game

Fades, (edited )

Jesus fucking Christ! What a goddamn scam.

If you donate 65 million dollars worth of stretch goals we’ll make the game! But only if we meet the stretch goals… otherwise go fuck yourself, give us more money!

That whole page you linked is fucking gross. What kind of morons have dumped 65 million dollars into an unproven fucking kickstarter

Seriously, I encourage people to read the text for some of these stretch goals of tens of millions of dollars, it’s a goddamn scam

For reaching 3.5 million in donations, this is the stretch goal reward:

  • Cockpit decorations – Turn your stock cockpit into your home with personalized decorations; amaze your friends with bobbleheads, photographs, dinosaurs, fuzzy dice, nose art, posters and many more cool options!
  • Ship boarding – learn more about how Star Citizen will allow players to conduct boarding operations.

It sounds like a fucking scam, 3.5 million to be able to place decorations in your ship???

For 19 million dollars:

  • Know your foe with a Jane’s Fighting Ships style manual free in PDF form to all pledgers.
  • Manage Space Stations – Players will compete to own and operate a limited number of space stations across the galaxy.
  • RSI Museum will air monthly, with a new game featured each time!

Like really? You needed 19 million dollars to be able to provide a pdf ship manual to users? Good thing the PDF is free though!!! (Free, after paying 19 million usd of course)

stupidcasey, do games w Star Citizen Expose Paints a Fairly Bleak Picture: 'There's No Actual Focus on Getting the Game Done'

In another timeline No Mans sky was called Star Citizen and StarField was cancelled.

ampersandrew, do games w PS5 Pro Games to Scale Better Than PS4 Pro's, Says Dev; Maxed PCs Cost 3-5x Times, Can't Be Compared
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

But what is interesting and says a lot about the flattening silicon evolution curve is that your game on your monster PC is not going to look or play 3 to 5 times better than on a PS5 Pro console. There is a huge diminishing return now on high end silicon, and that might have an impact on the life cycle duration of console hardware.

Likewise, there are diminishing returns in how much better PS5 Pro games look than base PS5 games, and that’s kind of the problem. Don’t compare a PS5 Pro to a top of the line PC; compare it to a similarly priced PC for the same reasons.

Squizzy,

If you go over the price of a ps5 pro on a PC, you are likely interested in gaming enough to save the difference by having more than one marketplace, not to mention not be advertised to constantly and have more support for avoiding antifeatures like always online conditions of play.

_sideffect, do games w PS5 Pro Games to Scale Better Than PS4 Pro's, Says Dev; Maxed PCs Cost 3-5x Times, Can't Be Compared

Load of crap… 3-5x?

Lol,someone has never built a pc it seems

ChapulinColorado, do games w PS5 Pro Games to Scale Better Than PS4 Pro's, Says Dev; Maxed PCs Cost 3-5x Times, Can't Be Compared

Even if I don’t disagree games on consoles are better optimized, anti-consumer tactics they employ have made sure I will avoid them in the same way I’ve started to avoid Microsoft and Google products. It’s not about console vs PC, it’s about consumer media rights for me.

Alexstarfire, do games w STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl Potentially Banned in Russia Due To Potential 'Justifying Terrorism'

That’s rich.

Agent_Karyo, do games w STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl Potentially Banned in Russia Due To Potential 'Justifying Terrorism'
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

It will most definitely be banned (they even shut down one of the few Ukrainian language libraries in russia before the full scale invasion) and likely it won’t be available in russian anyway.

rockerface,

Good. Hopefully russia also bans all the games portraying LGBT characters and ethnic minorities, so I can fucking play Overwatch without running into these assholes every other match

Agent_Karyo, (edited )
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I am surprised it’s not already banned. They were going to ban Duolingo because of presence of animated LGBT characters. Duolingo caved and made a custom “LGBT free” version for the russian market.

rockerface,

oof. If Blizzard does that, they’d have to cut like at least 1/3 of the characters lmao

mrfriki, do games w STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl Potentially Banned in Russia Due To Potential 'Justifying Terrorism'

The question is whether they have the intention of publishing it in Russia in the first place.

Agent_Karyo, (edited )
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Russian users can still use workarounds to purchase from the steam store. I believe this is a big business for some enterprising users in other countries.

webghost0101,

Where there is prohibition there is business. Always has been.

Bonesince1997, do games w STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl Potentially Banned in Russia Due To Potential 'Justifying Terrorism'

Russian pigs

Hobbes_Dent, do games w STALKER 2: Heart of Chornobyl Potentially Banned in Russia Due To Potential 'Justifying Terrorism'

It’s maybe my fault.

I immediately abandoned BF2042 after the second invasion of Ukraine because it was full of Russians and ‘expat’ or not I ain’t cosplaying as those assholes.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t even watch russian movies or listen to russian music (even artists that have openly opposed the full scale invasion). It just gets me in a bad mood.

Any time I see a russian flag on the internet, it’s like seeing a nazi flag. I start thinking “Why the fuck is this here?”.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

That bad blood would take ages to clean.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not going to clear, because the russians won’t change.

Not because there is something inherently malicious about them/their culture. That’s bullshit.

It’s the choices they make. And they will continue to make the choice to support genocidal imperialism because they have zero incentive to change.

Western coddling about “they are just afraid, what can they do?” is a massive disservice to the russians (not to mention the countries on the recieving end of their genocidal imperialism).

andrew_bidlaw, (edited )
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

May I ask you to elaborate on your last paragraph. About the disservice. What do you mean?

ed: deleted a pointless preambula

Agent_Karyo, (edited )
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Engaging with russian victim-hood polemics is not going to help bring about any positive change in russian society.

Pretending that russian society does not consist of a strong majority of genocidal imperialists. Coming up with fantasies about how “everyone is just afraid” so they are just pretending to support imperialism. Turns out you can estimate preference falsification and it is relatively minor at ~10% with the impact being a change in support from ~75% to 65% (still a strong majority) for the full scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not putting Navalniy on the pedestal. He was a committed racist and imperialist. He was also a fool who decided to go back to russia, got himself put in jail and got himself killed. If the russians can’t find a better leader, then that’s on them.

Inviting Navalniy’s wife to high end forums where she comes up with stuff like:

What is the European Union’s strategy for Russia?

What is your (the russian opposition’s) strategy for russia? Everything you’ve done so far has been a massive failure. Your organization is in exile and your husband foolishly decided to go back to russian prison where he was killed. What are russians going to do next?

Finally, there are those who advocate for the urgent “decolonization” of Russia, arguing to split our vast country into several smaller, safer states. However, these “decolonizers” can’t explain why people with shared backgrounds and culture should be artificially divided. Nor do they say how this process should even take place.

You killed 5% of the civilian population in Chechnya, including in brutal targeted attacks and you speak about artificially divided? If 7 million russian civilians (roughly 5% of the population) were killed, would you be taking such a cavalier attitude?

If the russians do want to change their society for the better, they need to first confront the issues above. They will never achieve anything if they keep playing dumb. There is no reason to choose a “putin lite” over the real deal.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hugh, that’s more based than I thought it would be. I’d reply again when I have a break.

rockerface,

“Shared background and culture” more like forcefully homogenised by russian empire and then ussr. Jesus Christ there is no end to the gaslighting

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Your reply is irrelevant to that exact conversation.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

They will never achieve anything if they keep playing dumb. There is no reason to choose a “putin lite” over the real deal.

They won’t, unless something slaps them hard enough, maybe? But what would sober them up? Being denied the capture of Kiev - didn’t. Denied on Kharkiv -didn’t. Prigo’s march - didn’t. Prigo’s murder - didn’t. Whole forests burning and towns getting flooded - these didn’t do much. And losing parts of Kursk region didn’t do that as well. Where’s the limit to them? What would exceed their tolerance to humiliation? Idk. They are still happy to suck someone’s ass and direct their anger as the party says.

Russia currently has no culture, as many talents from Ukraine and other states left, as many conscious russian artists left too, TV programs are all about referencing and reproducing songs, movies, ideas of the past. There’s literally a genre of shows based in nostalgic reproduction and it is the only thing other than propaganda that exists and thrives. The whole country is a human centipede that sucks it’s own shit. And it’s impotent to produce anything new. There won’t be a russian Triumph of the Will because russian Leny Riefenstahl is too edgy, too different, too wrong to fit the strict borders of what’s allowed. And you can see even russian fascists like Tesak (Chopping axe) got killed for they don’t toe the line well enough. This fascist state is too afraid of their own creations.

Dead Navalny and opposition on social media are rather useless. They aren’t interesting to anyone, not to the regular russians at all, and even harmful for they focus people’s irritation on their non-existant causes. These rich libs just can’t cut it.

There should be some person or multiple persons to first teach these people to be proud of themselves, to learn that they matter, that they aren’t garbage. To get some self-esteem and disdain to how abused they are. Only then they’d start to form civil and class consciousness. Them laughing at ukrainians at Maidan is them just not getting they themselves do deserve better and can demand that.

Can’t say much on national\race question because (1) I’m too white to feel and understand oppression myself and (2) if a region would like to break out, they’d know better what they want. But (3) I feel, like some of them just can’t do so as long as set leader is supported by Kremlin. It’s a question to solve.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

It would take a strong defeat (e.g. loss of occupied territories not only in Ukraine, but also Georgia, Moldova and loss of Belarus). They are unfortunately really petty and it would piss them off to no end if our countries became successful and independent.

Perhaps I am too biased against russians, but some sort of global ostracization would be helpful. Not allowing russian citizens into EU, US, Australia.

And most importantly a prolonged period of economic decline.

Yeah, Navalniy and his crew have zero influence inside the country and they are not really looking to do anything beyond YT videos. They don’t really want to fight. They are malicious grifters that at best run an online discussion community for somewhat liberal leaning russians.

Their pride stems from imperialism and “being feared”. They are no where near recognizing that they have the capability to build a better world for themselves. Not to mention they just can’t stop themselves from digging a deeper hole, that exponentially increases the cost of action.

andrew_bidlaw, (edited )
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Most russian people haven’t left their region at all, except on annual holiday trips. With current prices and the withering weight of rouble, it’s unlikely someone who doesn’t do higher mid tier wages can travel outside of Russia. I’d probably advocate instead on closing programs allowing to gain citizenship by investments and creating a business. That’s how rich russians who have a significant econonical impact get their foreign passports.

I’m not sure how territorial\political losses or economical decline would make russians frustrated rn. With a total grasp on local media, Tzar can easily put a blame on other states and for his followers it works. They do sell the myth of capturing others is the way to go, and that it needs some sacrifices.

I think you’ve been caught in a trap of thinking russian commoners are somehow different to others. Vatniks aren’t an unique occasion, and it seems a lot of countries are vulnerable to have them, especially if authporitarian states put effort to nurture a culture of useful idiots somewhere else like Russia does in bordering states.

Maybe my bias is directly opposite to yours.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not sure how territorial\political losses or economical decline would make russians frustrated rn. With a total grasp on local media, Tzar can easily put a blame on other states and for his followers it works. They do sell the myth of capturing others is the way to go, and that it needs some sacrifices.

I am not saying it’s a magical solution. But their only hope for a better life (democracy, government respecting their rights and not being able to just randomly kill people, addressing corruption) is them understanding that their dreams of empire are over and that they will be treated as they treat others (no visiting Europe). They can keep playing the victim, it’s all up to them.

I think you’ve been caught in a trap of thinking russian commoners are somehow different to others. Vatniks aren’t an unique occasion, and it seems a lot of countries are vulnerable to have them, especially if authporitarian states put effort to nurture a culture of useful idiots somewhere else like Russia does in bordering states.

That’s where I will strongly disagree with you. I will even go as far as saying this sort of attitude (and variants) of it is a key enabler of russian degeneracy.

I’ve lived in several countries in North American, Europe and Asia (several years each) and you’re right there are “vatniks” everywhere. However, what is unique about russian chauvinism is 1. It’s brutality and self-important backwardness. 2. The level to which it is universal across any and all demographic group; chauvinism and genocidal imperialism is the defining aspect of russian culture. That is not true for all countries.

Russians are still stuck in an 18th century colonial mindset. They reflexively gravitate towards taking land and forcing occupied people to become russian. While the rest of the world has largely moved on more efficient forms of geolpolitcal influence. And this is true for North America, Europe, Latin America, Asia and Africa.

Support for genocidal imperialism has a strong majority across all demographic. You can slice the population by age, education, rural vs urban, income, federal district and still get a strong majority support for genocidal imperialism. Different quantitative methodologies, qualitative research, longitudinal studies; it all leads to dark, black hole of cruel and crude imperialistic mindset that dominates all priorities (even the well being of their own children).

This is not the case for all countries. There is been a lot of news about Hindu-nationalism in India. But even in India (a country much poorer and less education than russia), there is a modicum of internal cultural dynamism. You have the muslim minority. People in the south have their own language and culture. The Bengalis in the west have linguistic and kinship ties with their muslim cousins in Bangladesh.

Or consider the US, you have a lot of “vatniks” there too (I always found it entertaining how such a large portion of American are “experts” on constitutional law), but you still have some sort of internal sociopolitical dynamism. I believe US leadership has apologized for genocide against the native American population? Have you ever heard of any apology russians about the countless genocides they implemented over just the last 100 years?

And the West continues to ignore the russians’ deep rooted and near universal commitment to genocidal imperialism. The West continue to coddle the russians with their child-like fairy tales of the population not supporting putin and genocidal imperialism.

They need to understand that won’t be able to play dumb. They can play the victims and say that “you’re playing into putins hands” or “you’re discriminating against russians”; or they can start thinking on what they need to do change things. It’s their choice.

andrew_bidlaw, (edited )
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

We may disagree with each other but I like to read your thoughts. I’m just pondering the idea of if Russia just have their government magically replaced with someone else’s, would the culture you say persist for more than a decade. I’m sceptical it would. It kinda erases the responsibility and agency of russian people themselves, making them look like empty vessels to what their powerholders put in them, but with how some thoughts about current war overtook them overnight, made them replicate these, makes me think they just don’t have a nurtured own position on most things because they are degraded to lower levels of Maslou pyramid and thus don’t hold their own beliefs but constantly cowardly adapt to whatever is in the news.

Agent_Karyo,
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you for the good convo as well!

I’m just pondering the idea of if Russia just have their government magically replaced with someone else’s, would the culture you say persist for more than a decade.

I maybe wouldn’t phrase in that way, but I do agree that russians are capable of change. There is nothing inherent or unchangeable about their chauvinism.

I think their current situation (authoritarianism, broad support for genocidal imperialism) is a product of their own choices, not some sort of essential chauvinistic quality of russians.

But to get to a state where they can replace their government, they need to be frank about the root causes of their predicament.

They have to clearly and openly condemn imperialism (including their actions in Chechnya).

They have to recognize that the root cause of putin’s rule is not some external scapegoat. It is the russian people. They elected him in 2000 (widely considered a more or less free election). They elected him again 2004 even after he shut down all independent TV stations. They went with comical medvedev seat warming exercise in 2008, there was no pushback against their invasion of Georgia. They again allowed to him to come to power in 2012 and there was no pushback to the invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea.

You can’t both claim that the elections are illegitimate, while also partaking in them and calling to vote for openly chauvinist parties that are well know to be directly managed by the Kremlin as fake opposition.

But instead we get some fake platitude about how putin does not reflect the russian people and “What is the EU’s strategy on russia?”

I don’t see any real desire to take actions that would allow russians to nurture their own position on things. It doesn’t have to be that way, but it is.

andrew_bidlaw, (edited )
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

The truth I don’t want to believe in, lol. But seeing the latest elections and talking to people gives your points, not mine, a ton of weight. And I probably insist on a possible awakening\redemption arc because I don’t know what to do with that on the day-to-day basis if that’s not possible, if people selling me groceries are irredeameable bastards who cheer to the pain induced onto others, but that’s on me trying to stay sane.

Either way, back to the OP: death to the russian empire, glory to Ukraine and fuck me for I’d probably only play that UE5 game on Youtube if I sell some organs (:

Hobbes_Dent,

Right there with ya.

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