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mesamunefire, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

It's strange really. You can buy 4 extremely good indie games for the price of one game. And that's at a 20 each.

And with steam sales and sharing...valve is fun.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Trying to raise the “standard” price to $80 will have very nice ripple effects of more pricing diversity, where each game will really consider what it’s actually worth, which we haven’t had for a long time. Even now we’re getting first-party Microsoft titles releasing at $20, $30, and $50.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Steam doesn’t advertise at the scale of Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo. It won’t have a ripple effect because it won’t change the degree to which artificial hype drives people towards the “Buy” button.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

A lot of games priced at $70 right now are having a rough go of it, so charging more on top of that isn’t going to help, but there are the likes of South of Midnight and Clair Obscur launching at $50. If your game isn’t as hot of a commodity as Mario Kart, you’re probably going to try to lure people in with a lower price.

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

there are the likes of South of Midnight and Clair Obscur launching at $50.

Beautiful games, both. But again, they aren’t having the full court press of advertising like a new Call of Duty or Final Fantasy or Diablo would.

That’s the real cost savings. You don’t need to change $80+ for a game if you aren’t focused entirely on presale figures to justify your studio’s budget.

Incidentally, you also get to focus on a better game. Balatro didn’t need wall to wall subway ads in New York to end up on everyone’s phones.

Yermaw,

Steam doesn’t need to. It’s got the steam sale and a hundred million people to share memes of “sale so good spent all my money no time to play all the games I bought in such massive sale”

mesamunefire,

You don't need to promote if everyone else does it for you lol.

Korhaka,

How much is Factorio worth though, everything?

ArmoredThirteen,

The amount of time I’ve put in it could have cost me $200 and it would still be one of the best $/hr games I have

Korhaka,

I bought it long before the steam release, back when multiplayer was in experimental. So glad that there are 1000s of hours that were never tracked so I don’t need to see those.

lagoon8622,

If they charged according to value no one on Earth could afford to buy it

samus12345,

I think all it will do is raise the ceiling of what publishers are willing to price games at. If they think they can get away with it, they’ll charge $80 instead of $70, with the rest being $70 and less just like it already is now.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

you dont own those games brotherman

TheGreenWizard,

Not ALL steam games have DRM. Yes, you should buy from GOG whenever you can, but if you use Linux like me, GOG doesn’t give a shit. It can be hard to decide, support DRM free games and proper ownership with GOG, or expanding compatibility with Linux and improve it in general. If its cheaper on steam cause of a sale or something, I’ll buy on steam, then years later like with DOOM 2016 for example, I’ll buy it when it hits like 4 bucks on gog. That way, I have acces to an offline installer, and I show support and interest to valve for investing in proton.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Another option is to buy through Heroic Games Launcher. Heroic gets a cut, and GOG sees what they’d have to do to earn your entire dollar.

TheGreenWizard,

Completely forgot about that, I do really like the Heroic Launcher.

cyberpunk007,

What? You can buy gog games through heroic?

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, it just launches a web browser in the client, but behind the scenes, it’s using a referral code in partnership with GOG to make sure they get a cut. So you can support DRM-free and Linux gaming support at the same time.

cyberpunk007,

Oh shit I had no idea. If I didn’t buy so many on my phone I’d be doing this. Next time I’m buying gog on my deck, it’s through heroic.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

thanks for spreading the word

looks like the solution i needed for all the smaller more useless launchers. wich it included connectability to ea/ubi/battleNet’s launchers too

Xbox for example seems more solid to me as a gamerscore addict for example. Steam obviously the main standard you wouldnt want to compress

mesamunefire,

Your not wrong. If it weren't for steam being absolutely stellar than I wouldn't be buying games from them. I would try to go through gog. But with their work on proton alone I personally give them a pass.

cyberpunk007,

I’d almost argue the same with modern consoles with all the crappy digital bullshit and planned obsolescence

But_my_mom_says_im_cool, (edited )

To run the games i wanna play would require a pc worth 3 ps5s

Edit: people here don’t like facts, but where I live a pc that matches a ps5 is around $1500+ it you’re lucky. Yes your pc is better than my ps5 in the same way that your Ferrari is better than my Honda. But I like Hondas.

Korhaka,

You can play other games, there is so much to choose from just drop the expensive ones.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Again no, that’s not my taste. I’m just saying steam doesn’t work for most people. The convenience of a console alone is always gonna keep me. To know i can buy a game 5 years after the console is released and it’ll run. PC gaming is superior, but it costs way more and takes way more work. Im it’s not convenient for casual people like me, especially since I want to sit on my couch with a controller and not have to interact with a computer

Fiivemacs,

*laugh sitting on the couch playing PC games off steam using a tv to display and a wireless controller

What are you even talking about …enjoy paying more for less, and paying monthly to play games while also being locked to whatever terms they decide all willy nilly.

samus12345,

If you can afford the cost of console game prices, more power to you. They’re pricing me out and I know I’ll have no choice but to switch to PC in the future if I want to be able to keep playing games.

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Steam doesn’t work for most people? You sure about that? It has 132 Million active users, that’s nearly double the number of PS 5s that have been sold!

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Very odd comparison, you need to buy a ps5 to be a ps5 user, you don’t need to buy anything to be a steam user, you just need to sign up and you’re considered a user.

Buelldozer,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Very odd comparison…

Not really. There are more people using Steam than own a PS5 or Xbox X. So in what reality does Steam “not work for most people”?

you just need to sign up and you’re considered a user.

You’ll note that I used Steam’s ACTIVE user statistic. That’s not people who just “signed up”, those are people playing games on Steam.

Steam works just fine for most people.

cyberpunk007,

You can also tweak the graphics settings and get a budget PC.

But_my_mom_says_im_cool,

Again, no. Why not just get a ps2? I want current gen games and I know that for this to be comparative on pc it costs nearly triple

cyberpunk007,

I’m playing current Gen games on my steam deck and my 2019 PC build…

tamiya_tt02, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos
@tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world avatar

I truly love my Ally. It’s even better with Bazzite. I’m so impressed by the power it has. I hope the Ally 2 has a much bigger battery.

cyberpunk007,

How’s it compared to the deck

tamiya_tt02,
@tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t have a Steam deck, but from what I’ve seen and read online the Z1 Extreme processor in the Ally is more powerful than the Deck, but the Deck’s batter lasts longer. Personally, I’d say they’re both really good choices. I got the Ally because I was playing a lot of Destiny 2 on it.

ramble81, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos

Everyone remember how janky and ugly the OG XBox was? The controller that was too big for anyone but Andre the Giant?

atrielienz,

The Duke WILL RIDE AGAIN!

moonburster,

Wait, people think the Xbox controller is too big??? I find the ps controller too small and it cramps my hands!

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

The OG xbox controller was HUGE compared to the versions you might be aware of, look up the duke if you’re not aware.

moonburster,

I know haha, I have above average hands. I really like the steam controller with the same reason and remember the n64 controller fondly

slaneesh_is_right,

That was the only controller that fit me comfortably. Ps controllers are tiny abd annoying

caut_R, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos

It doesn‘t look sexy but it might have a more comfy, ergonomic grip to it compared to Switch (for sure) and maybe the Deck from the looks of it. I‘d like to hold one and find out.

cyberpunk007,

The deck feels comfy and ergonomic as fuck in my hands.

echodot,

I have to admit though the deck doesn’t look like it should be ergonomic. It looks far larger than it actually is and it is pretty big.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it is too large for a lot of markets. It definitely seems like a product that was designed for westerners in mind.

caut_R,

In mine it‘s alright but could be a lot better.

hobbsc, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos
@hobbsc@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

why is it so filthy? looks like it was run through some stress testing.

Tronn4, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos
LiveLM, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos

Huh, it’s just the next Rog Ally with a Xbox sticker.

miguel, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos
@miguel@fedia.io avatar

Oh look, the MS steamwreck.

DoucheBagMcSwag, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos

Man that look ugly AF

also I wonder if an Xbox handheld friendly UI will be eventually rolling out to the ROG ally and Ally X as well once this releases

NOT_RICK, do games w Microsoft and Asus’ Xbox handheld appears in leaked photos
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty ugly lookin tbh

Adulated_Aspersion, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

PC Linux Sales

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I didnt know Linux manufactured solid controllers. Can you link me one? /s

Like for real: Xbox Controllers are actually good.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Playstation controllers have more features though, and arguably better Linux support.

PraiseTheSoup,

Said features are mostly gimmicks, and quite frankly the symmetrical stick placement is uncomfortable and outdated by nearly 20 years. Even my $40 8bitdo controller I use for my Switch feels more premium than a $80 PS5 controller. In every other case be it PC, android, or Xbox I am going with the Xbox controller.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Idk, gyro aiming is pretty sweet.

I’m also not a fan of the symmetrical sticks, but it doesn’t bother me a ton, and having gyro aiming as an option is a big value add. I definitely don’t pay full price though, I’ll only pick it up on sale.

AnimalsDream,

I prefer the symmetrical sticks, calling it outdated is just cult of inevitable progress vibes. Also the touchpad is hardly a gimmick when we’re talking about PC as a gaming platform. If anything a touchpad should become standard on all controllers.

My biggest complaints with the dualsense controller is that the shape of it starts to feel uncomfortable after long game sessions, the ds4 was better. Also the dpad sucks.

demonsword,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

and quite frankly the symmetrical stick placement is uncomfortable and outdated by nearly 20 years

sorry but I have to disagree, it’s so much more comfortable than the mismatched sticks other controllers have

fuck Sony BTW, they patented said symmetrical stick placement and the world is worse off because of this

Jakeroxs,

Wish I could agree, but the consistently broken bumpers really irritate me.

I have gone through probably 20ish Xbox controllers, the 360 controllers were the most durable (except the stick rubber bit) whereas the core and series controllers and even my elite 2 controllers have all had the bumpers break or otherwise stop functioning.

I replaces the bumpers several times manually, then with the elite 2 they changed the design but now it breaks at the actual button instead of the flimsy plastic piece like on the core/series controllers.

Luckily putting some ISO on the button and throughly cleaning it along with sticking a small piece of paper near the actuator seems to have fixed it for several months.

I would love a solid controller with Xbox style layout (particularly the thumbsticks) replaceable sticks and 4 back paddles. I think the Playstation TouchPad would also be a welcome addition for PC navigation or steam input mapping.

PraiseTheSoup,

20 controllers bro you have a problem and it’s not the controllers. My original Xbox 360 controllers from 2006 still work. My original Xbox one controller still works. My series x launch controller from 2020 still works. And I play dark souls. You have some other issues to sort out.

Jakeroxs,

I blame Skyrim/Fallout and Dark Souls/ER, so much bumper pressing in those games.

I also use them A LOT, even being a PC gamer lol if it supports controller, that’s how I’m playing it.

I do think where I comfortably press it probably has to do with it.

If you think I’m like throwing them around or doing crazy stuff like that, I don’t haha.

Edit: If you look online, it’s very common for the bumpers to fail

cabb,

You’ve probably tried this but in case you haven’t: try putting isopropyl alcohol in the gaps around the bumpers, it can clean the contacts and make the bumpers work again.

But yeah I’ve also has a ton of first party xbox controllers fail on me, although usually its the left stick or right trigger (I mostly play rocket league which abuses both) and was mostly the xbox one controllers so I’ve switched to more durable 3rd party controllers.

Jakeroxs,

Ha yeah, that’s how I got the elites functional again, took it apart and did it directly at the button, so far so good after several months.

The Xbox one/core controllers though it was usually part of the thin plastic bit that connects the bumpers (it’s all one piece for some reason…)

IEatDaGoat,

8bitdo controllers are fucking amazing.

Liberal_Ghost,

Fact. Thats all I use now. Just ordered another one today lol

BlameTheAntifa,

It’s all I use now. They are so good.

LunarLoony,
@LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

So are the vastly more affordable 8BitDo controllers!

DefinitelyNotAnAlien, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

As we are all switching from Windows to Linux, I’m actually surprised Microsoft is doing this. I guess they really don’t want to be competitive in the consumer market anymore. I guess they are making enough money through military contracts now that they don’t need to cater to us.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

We all? I mean, I have, but we represent single digit percentages of the market, which is why they keep shoving more bullshit into Windows that no one wants, because hardly anyone leaves Windows. The most that this affects Linux gamers is if you like their controllers or individual games that they publish, but that would be the same as on Windows as well.

AnimalsDream,

We all, all of me. I don’t have to care about what others are buying, because Steam and Linux is an amazing gaming experience and they’re the ones missing out. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Liberal_Ghost,

Truth. I swapped my laptop to linux a couple weeks ago, and then my ROG Ally, and next I’m putting linux on my gaming desktop. Just trying to decide on a distro for that one.

AnimalsDream,

On my laptop I switched from Debian to Fedora and that had a distinct impact on gaming performance, though I think it had more to do with how I had it set up previously. For instance I used full disk encryption for Debian, but skipped that on Fedora, because it does seem to impact games noticeably.

But it also might be because Fedora is more bleeding edge, so the OS itself might actually play a role here.

On my desktop I’ve been running Bazzite and that’s been pretty great so far.

Liberal_Ghost,

I have fedora on my laptop, and it seems to game fine. I do have full disk encryption on. Maybe if I turn that off I’ll get even better performance? I have Bazzite on the ROG ally and that is doing really good. I’m thinking about putting fedora on the desktop

CaptnNMorgan,

But your entire point was based on the idea that people are switching to Linux in droves…

AnimalsDream,

That was somebody else’s point. I just chimed in with my own take. :D

CaptnNMorgan,

Haha my bad! I’m usually good at looking for usernames, but I definitely didn’t look this time. Carry on, my bad

mahin, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

After my series s becomes irrelevant, I’m switching to a PC.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemm.ee avatar

I pretty much switched to the Steam Deck, but I still have a backlog of games on Xbox that I may end up with one or two last Xboxes if my Series S dies for any reason. Hopefully it lives long enough that I don’t have to get a new Xbox sometime in the future.

commander, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide

Microsoft may as well just cancel their whole Xbox hardware business. Xbox Series is a secondary market for Microsoft games after PlayStation and any console successor they release is going to limp to the starting line. At least the XSX had hype from the Bethesda acquisition and previous Obsidian/Inxile/etc acquisitions

Really we all need a Steam Deck 2 and a stronger Valve produced Strix Halo mini-PC

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s looking like the Xbox will stick around as a cheap entry point into Game Pass and the games that Microsoft publishes themselves. Yes, I know, it’s not as cheap as it used to be, but still fairly capable for a game machine at that price. The Steam mini PC is likely on its way. A couple of months back, there were leaks of the new Steam controller that leaked on their way to be mass produced after finalizing the design, so they’d probably accompany the living room machine. In the meantime, I have a mini PC running Bazzite that’s been awesome, but with tariffs in the US, you won’t be able to get the same performance per dollar that I got.

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemm.ee avatar

Xbox will stick around as a cheap entry point into Game Pass

Not after these price increases

Scotty_Trees, do games w Microsoft is raising prices on Xbox consoles, controllers, and games worldwide
@Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world avatar

I still use my Xbox One to play some Battlefield games. But I’m never buying a new console ever again. Fuck Microsfot. Fuck Sony. And you know what Nintendo fuck you too. Price gouging, greedy fucks the lot of them. PC+emulators is now the way to go, fuck all these greedy companies.

t_berium,
@t_berium@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately greed is rampant in the PC market, too.

MorningThunder,

Wait till you find out about Nvidia and AMD

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