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Gerudo, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect

I can’t believe the devs sat there, built that abomination, and said, yeah $45 and $15 a month sounds about right…

KoboldCoterie, do games w Starbreeze says sorry, reverses price increase on Payday 2 DLC bundle: 'We definitely didn't handle this right'
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I actually like these “DLC Subscription” type things, particularly for older games with tons of DLC. There’s a huge barrier to entry for someone trying to pick up an older game, and being able to pay $5 or $10 and ‘demo’ all of the DLC for a month is a nice way to see what’s worth buying or if the game is even going to have enough longevity to make buying the DLC worth it.

Obviously when it’s accompanied by a huge increase in the price of the DLC, it sours it considerably, but at its core, the subscription itself is not a bad thing.

Wildmimic,

Yeah, i agree on that; when i heard that i thought about jumping in for a month and playing it again; it actually is pretty fun, but it’s simply too expensive to buy in. I would be happy if other games with lots of DLC or expensive DLC considered something similar; Paradox games are the first thing that come to mind, but there’s other stuff like Rimworld where you can drop 100 Bucks on expansions that i simply do not have.

Mirshe, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect

Just play City of Heroes. It’s still running in private servers, and Homecoming is even doing active development on new powers and questlines.

glimse,

Not only is it still running on private servers, those private servers have the blessing of the original devs. If I’m remembering correctly, they even provided the admins some dev tools and code

chunes,

Plus, there is just zero chance any new game could possibly come out of the gate with more features and hours of gameplay than CoH. Physically impossible.

dom, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect

I would be far more open to mo they subscriptions if I didnt have to pay for the game upfront.

I would probably play wow and pay monthly if i didnt have to pay for the game and all the expansions as well as the subscription.

Just too much money imo for what I would get out of the experience

BarbecueCowboy,

Not saying it’s entirely cool, but wow base game purchase usually includes all expansions except the latest nowadays and that rolls (you get newer ones as more expansions are released) if you had an account historically.

dom,

Oh that’s good to know. I wasn’t aware of that

Zarxrax, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect

A ship sounds a lot less exciting than a city.

ms_lane,

*Unless it’s a murder-mystery, but then Train > Ship

_cryptagion, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect
@_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus avatar

That’s, uh, a bold play.

7toed,

And uh its YOUR fault, so uh don’t buy our game? Wait wait - do buy our game, but you should feel bad

Pika, (edited ) do games w Starbreeze says sorry, reverses price increase on Payday 2 DLC bundle: 'We definitely didn't handle this right'
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

payday still exists? I haven’t heard of the game in years. I’m surprised they even attempted this as a whole because it sounds like it’s only going to piss off their remaining userbase.

BEING SAID, I think their main issue here isn’t the fact that the price went up in the first place, it’s that they decided to make it almost 25% more as the increase after having it be ~52% off for ages. This rollup should have defo been more gradual if they wanted people to not be pissed about that. An instant 50$ increase in price is a tough amount to swallow for a 12 year old game, regardless of if DLC is involved, even moreso when it boosts the price to $170

mugita_sokiovt, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect
@mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online avatar

This is called renting… not purchasing for ownership.

Katana314,

Unfortunately, there are some very celebrated games that commit to this approach. Final Fantasy XIV and WoW keep getting away with it, and there are others.

Of course, they had to work for a long time to earn that pedigree and price tag. This certainly has not.

Bbbbbbbbbbb,

And other celebrated games, Everquest, are 100% free to play up to the most recent 2 expansions. There is a paid subscription that unlocked slightly more powerful spells, quick alternate ability progression, and…i dont remember… You can pay about $10 for the quick ability progression instantly but the spells are unimportant. You could also just buy the expansions without subscriptions, or you could just wait a year for your next free dosage of content. Hell theres enough content free for a few years of play without needing to buy anything.

TrousersMcPants,

FF14 is also free to play for the first several expansions to be fair

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

FFXIV has certainly earned it over the years, and in the case of WoW, isn’t it only the most recent expac that costs extra? I think you get all the previous ones, and WoW Classic, for just subscribing.

snugglesthefalse,

Tbh with FFXIV you only have to buy the 2? Most recent expacs and you can play free up to 70/100 and the accompanying story stuff without. It doesn’t do the limited time free trial anymore.

Evotech,

These are games that require constant development though.

mugita_sokiovt,
@mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online avatar

I don’t think that matters. The should’ve made it a one-time purchase, DRM free, no P2W, no macrotransactions. More people are becoming old-school about their gaming needs nowadays, and I for one happened to be in that camp.

SoftestSapphic, do games w Starbreeze says sorry, reverses price increase on Payday 2 DLC bundle: 'We definitely didn't handle this right'
@SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world avatar

Payday 3 didn’t make enough money, so they’re following the players back to Payday 2 to try to shake them down there.

What a sad decline for such a great dev :c

Switorik, do games w Starbreeze says sorry, reverses price increase on Payday 2 DLC bundle: 'We definitely didn't handle this right'

They are only sorry the fans saw right through their plan. There’s no reason to increase the price on old digital content.

msage, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?

advocate general at the Court of Justice of the European Union Juliane Kokott

Anyone from Czech/Slovak Republic here?

I know it’s infantile, but.

RememberTheApollo_, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?
@RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world avatar

I dunno about the tax laws here. Seems anything purchased in game with fake game money that stays in game shouldn’t be subject to a sales tax. Buying game currency with real currency? Sure. Buying real things by selling in-game accounts or items for real money? Fine.

vane, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?

Food safety organs need to inspect all those Stardew Valley farms.

Someplaceunknown, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?
@Someplaceunknown@leminal.space avatar

RuneScape still exists?

crumbguzzler5000,

Yer god damn right it does! Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

commiunism,

OSRS is legit on its way to become bigger than it was in 2007 on miniclip days, it broke 250k players recently I believe, there’s also been a WoW streamer exodus towards OSRS too

So yes

UltraGiGaGigantic, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar
yetAnotherUser,

Earning 400,000€ in two years makes you part of the 1% though?? Where else would this guy be? Upper middle class?

Dasus, (edited )
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

Okay that’s not nothing but 200 000€ / year is hardly top 1% in EU, I think.

This is what slop gave me:

Based on available data on income distribution in Europe, a rough estimate for a gross annual individual salary to be in the top 1% across the EU would likely fall above €200,000.

When I asked how much you’d need to make in a year to be in EU top 1%. Didn’t even mention 200 000.

So yeah upper class but not necessarily top 1%. In Lithuania they’re probably top1% but not on the EU level.

Sorry for being pedantic, you were close enough tho

yetAnotherUser,

According to the German (I have not found an EU equivalent) office for statistics, you are part of the top 1% of full-time workers if you earn >213,286€ per year:

www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/…/PD25_134_621.html

Sure, this doesn’t include billionaires who don’t work but there just aren’t enough of them to matter. It’s not like there are hundreds of thousands billionaires in Germany.

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