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Bieren, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

Part of the hate is against Sweeny. The rest of the hate is that it isn’t steam.

YiddishMcSquidish,

Don’t forget about exclusives!

radiohead37, do gaming w ADHD gaming

And when you’re about to start playing you get the obligatory 150 GB update.

Retro_unlimited, do gaming w ADHD gaming

Load game… Turns out there are updates, connect to the internet, wait for it to update, then get to loading screen and want to play something else.

commander, (edited ) do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

It’s been I think about 7 years and it’s not feature competitive for end users with 2011 Steam even though they definitely make more money than 2004-2011 Valve and by 2018 had 14 years of history to look at and feature target based off what competition offered

The CEO was regularly on Twitter complaining about Windows but refused to help grow Linux adoption. Valve has been doing that since like 2012. He constantly talks about standing with small developers but then in the Apple court case admits they would have been quiet if Apple gave them a special revenue split deal. He complains about Steam and mobile store cuts but doesn’t complain about consoles having the same.

Exclusive deals in lieu of providing a better experience for the end user. Talked up so much about being superior because they’re developer focused; didn’t have self publishing tools until the end of 2023 - 5 years after EGS launched. It’s been 7 years. They haven’t made PC gaming any better. They made it worse for a time when they were throwing cash at exclusives rather than store platform feature development

Recent example of how bad they are with pushing minimal viable products. EGS mobile store was launched the beginning of this year with no library view. You just scroll up and down, side to side looking for games you own mixed among games you don’t own. Their concept of minimal viable product is insanely mediocre for how vocal the CEO is and how much money they make and their turnaround time on improving these stores is awful.

There are numerous Android storefronts that don’t have Unreal Engine and Fortnite money keeping the companies funded and somehow Epic comes out the gate mediocre again where its marketing is free games but it’s mobile games so what’s available is way less headline worthy. They learned nothing from 2018 about the difference between what they consider a minimal viable product and what the market would consider a market competitive minimal viable product

Years ago Epic put out a kanban board to display a public feature development tracker to assure people they were working on improving the store. They abandoned that quick and I’m pretty sure what few they had on that, most still haven’t been implemented

Their support for handheld is at the level of GOG which barely markets itself and is pretty low revenue as it rarely gets any games that aren’t years old. Whether Windows or Linux, Epic for all their billions haven’t created a gamepad/TV centric interface. EGS is about at the level of GOG Galaxy which because of its DRM free policy will probably never be a big money maker. That’s just insane to me how badly managed EGS is to have so much more money backing it and so little to show for it in the product

The CEO is a regular blowhard virtue signalling about liberty/freedom on Twitter but can’t be bothered to try and pioneer anything for users as a storefront. Since 2018 EGS has been so stagnant while Valve has been expanding Steam as a platform, that EGS is less relevant to me today than when they were throwing out major free games every month. I have no faith in the platform to integrate WINE/Proton, put together a TV/gamepad interface, do something like Steam curators, comparable user review system, crowd sourced game tags - a lot of useless stuff makes it in those but I find them regularly useful at a glance as it’s usually pretty obvious which are probably jokes and which are probably legit, user gamepad mapping repository, I’ve used the guides before. Steam forums are not a place to browse, they’re a place to find when you Google a question and the answer is in a Steam forum thread Google/other shows you

I’d be happy with a suitable competitor. It’s just EGS has been terrible at it. I was sad that GameStop did nothing with Impulse. I had higher expectations for EA Origin. Ubisoft/UPlay was always garbage from day one AC2 always online DRM nonsense. I was hyped on GFWL before I learned they were charging for online multiplayer until that failed, also the install limits GFWL had where you had to call support when you reinstalled the game too many times. I was even excited for Windows 8 store until it was eating up peoples storage only reclaimable with a reformat of the drive

Only GOG exists with a unique selling point, DRM free. Every other competitor has existed just to try and have exclusives to make more money rather than try to attract users with a good service. In the end it turns out there’s so many solid to great games released every year that exclusives aren’t such a great point anymore. There’s not enough of them and exclusives not varied enough to make a storefront platform better than the total Steam package

Monomate,

I find EGS launcher to be incredibly slow, so I don’t even bother claiming their free games using it. I use the browser instead. The annoying part is EGS launcher will prompt my 2FA if I don’t open it at least monthly, which is also too much of a bother.

Romkslrqusz,

To my knowledge you still can’t easily discover / reuse existing game files, the launcher usually redownloads them anyways.

Even the Xbox app supports this (for most games)

commander,

I’m pretty sure Steam has been able to do that since launch, though I do remember the legendary loading bar that would progress then regress then progress and regress all with the same text message there so it wasn’t perfect in 2003. Roller coaster early on but by like 2007 it was pretty solid

I’m pretty sure EA Origin was able to do that day one or within a year of release. Origin was OK from what I remember just that it took stayed stagnant and I’m guessing onboarding games to the platform being a terrible process considering how sparse releases were on there

Steam is a mature platform. It doesn’t roll out new user facing features often. Yet somehow I think the gap has widened since 2018 vs EGS

Chronographs,

Iirc the epic store didn’t even launch with a cart

Romkslrqusz,

And Epic has had a lot more financial resources available when they launched their store. Estimated valuation of $15 billion in 2018, Valve’s was half that in 2022.

I don’t really see an excuse for Epic to have ever had missing features, they entered the market with plenty of templates for what does and doesn’t work

Trainguyrom,

I just went through this yesterday! I did a big upgrade on my wife’s computer, fresh install of Windows on a 2TB NVMe drive replacing the aging 120GB SSD that somehow didn’t completely fill up, etc. Etc. really loved pointing epic at the installs on the secondary drive and it just ignoring them and instead spending 3 hours downloading Fortnite after we just spent 1 hour applying the last update yesterday (and another hour on a different update the day before too!) on the drive that’s RIGHT THERE IN THE COMPUTER!

PillowTalk420, do gaming w ADHD gaming
@PillowTalk420@lemmy.world avatar

Full steam ahead until I beat the game. See I have just 3 achievements to earn until I have 100% completion.

They’re all “collect/perform action 1 billion times” things.

Never play again.

Have 100% in Prepare to Die Edition of Dark Souls; have not done the ones where you need to collect every spell and ring in the Remaster.

RonnyZittledong, do gaming w ADHD gaming
@RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world avatar

I usually load up Steam with the intention of clearing some of my backlog but then just end up doing another run of Binding of Isaac or Noita

RowRowRowYourBot, do gaming w Newly open relationship

The OG Sims game did this to me with my partner of the time.

mydoomlessaccount, do gaming w ADHD gaming

I like to spend all day at work thinking about how much fun I’m going to have playing a certain game when I get home.

Then, when I finally make it home and sit down in front of my computer, I’ll “get to it in a minute” for the next 3 to 4 hours until suddenly it’s time to eat and go to bed. Repeat 5 days a week.

HubertManne, do games w Day 306 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing

Was playing this but my steamdeck is bugging out when going outside in the plain of oblivion after talking to the guy in the round cage. switched to skyrim. the more I play these the more morrowind was like peak elder scrolls for me. I wish they had been smarter with the simplification to not lose the rp aspects as much. I want the temple and mages guild teleports as well as the city conveyances but I could see being able to access them from anywhere once unlocked.

massive_bereavement, do gaming w ADHD gaming

At my age, I'll pick a game that doesn't require several hours of unfun stuff to get to the fun stuff (endless tutorials, churning, unfun mechanics, git-gud, etc..)

If I want to dedicate lots of times to learn something, I'll pick any of the thousands of half-done projects and abandoned hobbies spread around my home.

notfromhere, do games w List of Fan (OpenSource) Ports/Remakes of Games

Legacy of Kane Blood Omen fan remake - omnicide.razorwind.ru/en/

TheImpressiveX, do games w List of Fan (OpenSource) Ports/Remakes of Games
@TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee avatar
  • Super Mario Bros. X is a Mario fan-game remake that uses lots of assets from the SNES era of Mario games (Super Mario World, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario RPG).
  • Sonic Robo Blast 2 is a Sonic fan game made from the Doom engine, inspired by the Sega Genesis era of Sonic games.

They’re both open-source.

OTINOKTYAH,

I like this two but i try to keep it in the pc gaming Side, less the console Side. Mostly because i never Had a console;)

Zahille7,

I mean you can only play them on PC, so I’m not really sure what you’re saying here

OTINOKTYAH,

Sorry it was very unclear. I’ve meant to focus this list on Remakes/source Ports of PC Games mostly. I added a link to a list of console games source Ports at the end of the list.

Broadfern, do gaming w ADHD gaming
@Broadfern@lemmy.world avatar

The real reason I take my meds to be honest

Krudler, do games w I'm a console gamer so, Why the hate on the Epic Games Store?

It’s very simple, valve is a gamer company. Epic is a money company. Every single thing each respective company does shows that. I’m not a bitch, I’m never going to let those Epic cunts have a penny of my money. Fucking with the games industry, fucking with gamers, locking exclusives, it’s all bullshit & they can suck my cock

MajesticElevator, (edited )

Meanwhile Valve pushing unrelated unregulated gambling to everyone, including children, through their case unboxing system

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

Counter Strike is a M rated game

MajesticElevator,

Oh so they have no responsibility at all then. Might as well stop checking IDs when people enter casinos or buy alcohol because they’re not supposed to if they’re underaged.

They make a deliberately addictive mechanic that they know ruin peoples’ life, and they also know they have a big young audience, but you think that’s fine? Shame of you, really.

It’s also in TF2 btw

And whatever you say, it’s still exploiting adults. In many countries, like France, casinos are legally obliged to detect addicted people, prevent minors from playing, and let people opt out legally, and never allow them to gamble afterwards. Valve blatantly doesn’t respect this and takes efforts to bypass the law. They got banned in Belgium and France, and used a legal loophole to avoid being banned in France.

You’re acting like a Valve fanboy. Be objective. Apart from that, Valve is an overall good company for the video games industry, but they act like a piece of shit in other places.

Goretantath,

Parents should do their damn job and prevent their kids from playing what they arent supposed to, or teach them right from wrong.

MajesticElevator,

Teens aren’t kids. Gambling is addictive to everyone.

Soggy,

Teens are kids, they’ve just got half a brain and adult hormones mixed in. They still need guidance and supervision.

kadup,
@kadup@lemmy.world avatar

I mean… Do you support the recent proposal to ban online porn? How about alcohol?

Valve provides a game, an appropriate age rating, a description of the monetization scheme, and a way for users to freely trade items.

If minors transform that into a gambling addiction, it’s certainly a big problem, but I don’t see how that translates into “Steam bad, Epic Games good”

MajesticElevator,

Do you support the recent proposal to ban online porn?

No, but that’s another subject. Not easy to regulate and is not as life threatening as many other things. We all consumed some when minors and it never was a huge deal for most people. Gambling is much worse imo, as it impacts your finance. Gambling is already banned/regulated and Valve is avoiding the current laws.

How about alcohol?

It’s already pretty well restricted for minors. The world would be better without it, but as nicotine, can’t go back now that people are used to it.

but I don’t see how that translates into “Steam bad, Epic Games good”

Never said that.

I talked about this because the original comment said Valve wasn’t here for money. Why do they push gambling then?

Krudler,

Whataboutism makes you look like an idiot

WhatsTheHoldup,

Not OP but your very first sentence was

It’s very simple, valve is a gamer company.

It’s not “whataboutism” to directly respond to your point and try to argue they aren’t a gamer company.

I do agree with you overall though that Epic can suck it.

MajesticElevator,

You’re saying Valve acts for gamers, not for profits. I’m proving you wrong. You’re just entitled and love Valve.

MajesticElevator,

Wrote unrelated instead of unregulated, which changed the meaning of my sentence. Fixed it.

taiyang, do gaming w What the fuck do I do now

A metaphor for life. Do everything right, die anyway.

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