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Dagamant, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit

yeah, dont buy digital. If its not available as a physical product steal it.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’d be happy with DRM-free video purchases, but they don’t exist like they do for video games, and even video games aren’t available DRM-free across the board.

otacon239,

It’s not necessarily cheap or convenient, but building a physical collection of Blu-Rays (or DVDs if quality isn’t priority) is something that can’t be taken away.

Add on a compatible Blu-Ray drive to your computer and you can even rip the digital files yourself. It’s taken me a few years, but now I never have to worry if my favorite movie is available when I want to show a friend. It also makes them easy to loan.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’d very much prefer to not even have them take up shelf space, but it’s the only way that exists to actually own a copy of a movie or TV show. I have ripped a number of them, but if someone made the GOG for movies, I’d move all of my purchases over there.

Flocklesscrow,

The marginal cost of information goods is zero. Digital Capitalism is inherently a scam, even moreso than physical products.

sartalon,

Unskippable ads, required downloaded updates, region restrictions…

Nah, I’m downloading that fucking car, I’m done giving movie studios chances to be reasonable.

They were good for a bit, but they are a slave to stock value and their finance bros will take every opportunity to squeeze you for revenue, ruining every experience.

scrubbles,
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Fun thing, even a DVD or Blu-ray is technically licensed by them, and they claim they have the right to revoke it whenever they want. In the case of Blu-ray they have tried to do this via “updates” to the Blu-ray players

CosmicTurtle0,

I remember complaining on Amazon about the price of digital books when they were still relatively new. They wanted me to pay the same price for a digital book as a physical book. Back then, Amazon still had pretty decent customer service and wrote me back saying that the price for the book wasn’t for literal pages but for the work in making the book, etc. etc.

I told them I understood that but I don’t get the same rights with the digital book as I did with the physical, namely the right to sell the book.

Books, board games, etc. any physical media is technically a license, yes. BUT the copyright holder cannot bar you from doing whatever you want with the physical copy, within the limits of copyright law. Those same rights simply do not exist with your digital copies and, in fact, is often codified within your terms of service that you don’t fucking own anything and they can pull your license at any time.

DVD is next to impossible to revoke while Blu-ray is not. But you can’t revoke Blu-ray licenses to specific people but to regions. I haven’t heard of this happening but if it did, you could, in theory, still play your Blu-ray disks on players that aren’t connected to the internet to receive those updates. That said, I’m like 80% sure that Blu-ray keys have been leaked and you can rip them like DVDs today.

scrubbles,
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I am not saying you can or you can’t, but if you could, and I’m not saying you can, I would have full DRM-free backups of every Blu-ray I own.

Bookmeat,

I’m not saying they would or they wouldn’t, but if they would, and I’m not saying they would, they would distribute the keys to the Blu-ray players online so other people could use their rightfully purchased discs in any way they pleased on their own hardware.

BeardedGingerWonder,

I’m not saying you you should or shouldn’t, but if you did, I’ve heard it’s possible to access a backup of the original even if you don’t have an original disc.

_cryptagion,

I am not saying you can or you can’t, but if you could, and I’m not saying you can, download basically any ebook or audiobook you want from “mouse torrent site”. It’s a private tracker, so you do have to apply for membership, but it’s the best place on the net for books.

I grab audiobooks from there, then pipe them straight from qBittorrent into an Audiobookshelf server so me, my family, and my friends can stream them to any device.

someguy3,

Sony owns Blu Ray tech but not DVD. DVD was industry consortium to prevent a repeat of the VHS and betamax war. Only lasted a generation unfortunately.

keyez,

BRB I have a blu ray player from 2017 I’m disconnecting from the internet

Arbiter,

Even physical these days means nothing, just look at The Crew.

stardust,

Thankfully modders have made good progress of coming closer to emulating servers for it so people can play it offline.

Bad part is Ubisoft actually removed The Crew from some people’s Ubisoft account. Steam versions were safe ironically to be able to download the game to make use of it when Crew community made fix is out.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Is it stealing though? Theft, as it is legally defined, requires depriving the original owner of the thing you are stealing. Stealing a car for example, means the owner cannot drive the car since you have it.

If you could take someone else’s car, but they still have access to their car as if it was never taken, is that really stealing?

Shapillon,

Well, there’s also the concept of intellectual property though.

_cryptagion,

There shouldn’t be.

Shapillon,

I fully agree with you on that.

Otoh our current law systems don’t.

piecat,

I think that’s called conversion. Or unjust enrichment.

mightyfoolish,

You speak of copyright infringement. Some people call it IP theft but in reality it has nothing to do with stealing in the traditional sense of the word (such as stealing a bicycle). You can’t actually steal something that’s still there after you “take it.”

IAmHeroForFun, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit

This will got to Past too unless all 9mil player files a lawsuit.

B0NK3RS, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

I’m all for these lawsuits etc but people need to wake up to the fact they don’t own anything digital, it’s been this way for years now so no excuses.

gressen,

If it says “buy”, then I should own it. Anything else is a lie and demands justice.

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

You did buy something, a digital license that comes with it’s own terms.

I agree with you by the way but it’s been 20 years and people still act surprised about this stuff.

DeathsEmbrace,

I’m going to keep this short. It takes a long time for society to “catch up” Facebook, twitter, the shitshows of algorithmic social media. It’s like watching a snail race but, that doesn’t make it right is what people are saying. When you go to the store and buy an apple they expect that apple to be theres except this is digital purchases and even in the terms it says that it can be modified by the corporation at any moment. Shit it’s been 112 years and climate change was only recognized as a real problem by the public in the last 30 years.

Aeao,

I know it’s like the people who get mad at me when they get hit with my chainsaw and it’s like “look wrong or right I’ve been out here swinging these chainsaws while wearing a blindfold for 24 years you need to get used to it”

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

I agree with all the replies I’m getting but people are literally going round in circles with the outrage over digital licenses.

Buy physical, backup your media, download illegally or do what you need to do to show businesses that things need to change.

Lojcs,

Even if it says “licence” or whatever then I’d still not be fine with it not being permanent. The language isn’t the problem

rtxn,

We’re already past the “spreading awareness” stage. Now it’s time to do something about legally sanctioned robbery.

fartsparkles,

No no no, OP told us it’s been ages now so we’re in the “dogmatically apathetic” stage, right before “crywank”.

njm1314,

Do we need to wake up to that? Or do we need to say that’s bullshit? Which one sounds better? Maybe companies need to wake up to the fact that they shouldn’t be able to do anything they want. Why can’t we wake up to that reality?

ogeist, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit
Akasazh, do games w Overwatch Classic | Official Trailer
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Or play something original and fresh and well crafted, like deadlock

Artyom, do games w Overwatch Classic | Official Trailer

Literally 12 hours too late. I just started playing The Finals today and I’m never going back.

_Atlas_,

The finals is such a good FPS

Mandy, do games w Overwatch Classic | Official Trailer

That’s just a kick in the nuts for the masochists who play ow 1.2

_haha_oh_wow_, do games w Overwatch Classic | Official Trailer
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

No thanks I already fucking paid for that and they took it away for a shittier version.

kalr, do games w Overwatch Classic | Official Trailer

When you’re out of ideas so you go back to basics.

meco03211, do games w Overwatch Classic | Official Trailer

Interesting model blizz. Create a game. Build a base. Destroy the game and lose part of that base. Re-release original game to claw back former base.

matrixrunner,
@matrixrunner@lemmy.world avatar

“re-release” XD

Even if Blizzard did actually re-release the game I paid 40$USD for and can no longer play, they couldn’t get me to jump back in with a battering ram.

djsoren19,

Kinda wild they’ve now done this for nearly every game in their portfolio though. We have multiple flavors of World of Warcraft Classic, Hearthstone had a Classic mode for about a year, D2R is basically Diablo Classic, now there’s gonna be Overwatch Classic. I guess we just need a Heroes of the Storm Classic and a remake of Brood War to complete the set.

Fitik, do gaming w malicious backdoor found in widely used game mod by Low Level [YouTube]
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

What's the name of the mod?

theangriestbird,

Paradox posted this the other day: paradoxinteractive.com/…/traffic-breach-statement

I think it’s just called “Traffic”? It’s still early days for CS2 mods, not that weird for a mod to have such a generic name.

Fitik,
@Fitik@fedia.io avatar

Thanks for the info!

Telorand, do gaming w malicious backdoor found in widely used game mod by Low Level [YouTube]

Tldr: it’s a crypto wallet stealer.

Always be wary of unknown code. Check comments on sites like Nexus. Run installers through virus checks.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If I understand it correctly from the reddit post, this was a popular mod, that you could get directly in-game, so probably available through the Steam Workshop or something. In that case you assume everything is fine and don’t really check out, if there’s something wrong.

Telorand,

Man if that’s the case, that really sucks.

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It is a CS2 mod – CS2 lacks Steam Workshop support. Paradox did not put it in, in favor of their own mod platform.

There was a lot of beef about the lack of workshop support, but it means it was on Paradox’s platform, if anything.

teawrecks,

Wonder if steam workshop scans for this kind of thing, or if it would have otherwise been found quicker.

thingsiplay,

This mod had some clever tricks to avoid detection from Antivir scanner. Not sure how deep and complex the Steam Workshop antivir scanner goes (if any). Hard to say if they would have found and prevented it. However, all antivir and other scanner software learned from this and now every malware using this technique could be detected instantly. At least in theory.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Steam has some basic scans, but nothing special. This kind of thing happened before, with mods and even games.

thingsiplay,

I would assume so. Did this happen in Steam Workshop?

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Yes. Apparently there were enough mods like this, that someone made a list to unsubscribe from them:

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=27…

Also, this time it’s the first Cities Skyline, I don’t know of any other games, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

FarceOfWill,

There were rumours about one for rimworld but I’m not sure if it was real or on steam.

bekopharm,
@bekopharm@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Heh, madlads :D Modern problems require modern solutions 👍

DarkThoughts,

At least name the mod.

FeelzGoodMan420,

I thought Nexus runs files through virus today?

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w How Modern Games Trick You Into Spending More - YouTube by Going Indie (24:17 minutes)

How do we fix it?

stop fucking playing these games

/video

Grangle1, do games w Batman: Arkham Origins (2013) - TV Spot [YouTube]

Origins tends to be the “forgotten” title in the Arkham series since it wasn’t developed by the same studio and doesn’t feature many of the iconic characters/villains of the others (just Penguin, Deathstroke, Riddler and Joker), but IMO it’s still a very good game that can be held up with the others in the series and can introduce players to a variety of other members of Batman’s rogues gallery they may have not heard of before.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

And the multiplayer was surprisingly good. I heard that some enterprising modders managed to revive it, and I’d love to play it again someday.

Zahille7, do games w Batman: Arkham Origins (2013) - TV Spot [YouTube]

This is probably one of the best game series ever made. Probably the best Batman game series ever, too.

Each sequel adds new things without changing the core formula too much, each sequel is a bit bigger than the last game, and each sequel is just “more of what you love” about the Arkham games. Imo it’s everything a game and its sequels should be.

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