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ParkedInReverse, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

Anyone else find the wording odd? ‘This. Is. Epic.’ that they’re finally coming to Steam after only being on… Epic.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone else find the wording odd? ‘This. Is. Epic.’

I think it’s supposed to be word play.

mateomaui,

should be “This. Was. Epic.”

woelkchen, (edited ) do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

The Steam page does not mention Denovo nor always-online DRM. I’m cautiously optimistic.

Edit: …steampowered.com/…/Tony_Hawks_Pro_Skater_1__2/ So you don’t have to visit Twitter/X.

Ganbat,

Publishers have been known to add that info one or two days before release in the past.

woelkchen, (edited )
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Publishers have been known to add that info one or two days before release in the past.

Oh fuck:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c1a1daf7-bfd2-4667-9fe9-879ea3b088d3.png

They mention always-online but not in the regular sidebar box but super tiny in the requirements.

prograhammingdev,

The system requirements do infact mention it “requires an internet connection”

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, that’s what I wrote in a reply to my comment.

kcdaguy, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

Will online multiplayer still be broken?

Nibodhika,

Is it broken?

Davel23, (edited )

It most likely uses Epic Online Services, so... yeah.

Silverstrings, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly
@Silverstrings@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My biggest issue with Epic is them very clearly doing the classic tactic of selling goods at unsustainably low prices in order to drive out competition before jacking them back up again. Their whole free game shtick can’t possibly last forever and they know it.

aesthelete,

I believe it used to be illegal to sell things at less than cost because the original monopolists did this too. Why did we make that legal again?

neshura,

It isn’t (at least over here) but the “cost” for a game is really iffy to define because if you want to be pedantic the distribution cost for a digital game are cents and that only if you actually factor in infrastructure costs. So technically they can just price them however they want because technically a single game download has 0 cost.

Technically because we all know that the production costs have to be regained somehow, just that with enough lawyer bs you can ignore that as a product cost on paper (for example if you label the entire production a learning experience or smth)

Viper_NZ,

This and the paid exclusives mean I haven’t, and won’t use EGS out of pure spite.

phx,

I’ve picked up a ton of their free games. I’ve yet to actually install their client and actually play one

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

I could always get one of those games off the high seas and pay the same amount. I’m not going to give Epic the engagement numbers to get investors with.

YeastInspection,

I believe these Indy devs get paid when you boot a game you got for free, so I’m happy to install stuff and boot it once just to support gaming in general

zeekzag,
@zeekzag@lemmy.world avatar

Just install a FOSS alternative to their launcher like Heroic

GodofGrunts, do games w Dusk: Unpopular opinion: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

Imagine thinking that Valve has a monopoly.

Monopoly doesn’t mean “Largest market share”. It’s a real term with a real meaning.

Monopoly:

the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.

What, exactly, does Valve control? They don’t require exclusivity, they don’t require their DRM, they don’t require the use of their network system. Hell, they don’t even require you to to give them 30% if you sell your own key.

Valve is also not a publicly traded company, while this doesn’t mean you can fully trust them it does mean they aren’t required to seek profit at all costs. This allows then to do things like, support Linux, make their own hardware (twice after their first attempt was a failure), work on Proton, develope games that make them no money, etc.

Itch.io, GOG, EA, Epic, Windows Store, Game Pass, Humble Bundle, personal websites. These are all examples of places you can buy video games on computers.

Timmy Tencent’s propaganda is working on you if you think Valve is any sort of monopoly.

merc,

Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a “monopolist” is a firm with significant and durable market power.

www.ftc.gov/…/monopolization-defined

Rolder,

I don’t think Steam qualifies still. There are still plenty of competitors such as GOG, Green Man Gaming, itch.io, Epic, Humble Store, Microsoft Store, and so on.

merc,

Steam accounts for 50% to 70% of all PC game downloads around the world.

enterpriseappstoday.com/…/steam-statistics.html

Rolder,

It being popular doesn’t mean it’s a monopoly…

GodofGrunts,

The “significant durable market power” part is why I went on to explain how they don’t lock you into their ecosystem. How can Valve raise prices or exclude their competitors when they literally do not have any mechanisms in place to do any of those things?

unconsciousvoidling, do games w Benji-Sales: Nearly 250k concurrent players on Steam today for Cyberpunk 2077 with the launch of the Phantom Liberty. The highest count Cyberpunk has had since December 2020, the games release...

I haven’t bought dlc… any good ?

dandi8, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

Now release it on GOG, then I'll buy it.

Rentlar, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

Steam is a legitimate value add for sellers and buyers/users, that justifies its 30% cut. Other than free games, Epic has a seemingly easy-to-integrate online networking system, that’s about it. Steam has a modding platform, broadcasting, remote “parsec”-like controller emulator, Linux support, content sharing, forums and a developer news feed. That’s quite a lot.

What makes me stick with them is that they don’t preclude Steam and other gaming users from using alternatives but simply compete with their own well-made system… plenty of games have their own cross-platform mod-launchers that aren’t workshop for example. Steamworks DRM isn’t required and Steam networking services for multiplayer aren’t mandatory either.

That said, itch and GoG are great alternatives where they have games available. I’d just like GoG to provide better Linux support.

TeoTwawki, (edited )
@TeoTwawki@lemmy.world avatar

Gog has support problems on some windows games too. Also they mark games run via dosbox as windows, which is annoying when you specifically want to find an older windows game that also had a dos release. Even with those issues, gog is still my goto because at least my games won’t be full of denuvo securom etc. and nobody else seems to remotely care about the really old harder to find games. I’d be scouring ebay for old discs if not for gog.

smallaubergine, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

I'll just keep emulating them

misk,
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

It’s genuinely one of the best remakes in existence and emulation is not even close in this case because THPS1+2 backports loads of quality of life features from later entries.

smallaubergine,

Is the music the same?

misk,
@misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

About half is from original entries, the other half is contemporary stuff that respects the theme and is very good on its own. It’s not the only area where remake gracefully draws from originals and modern skating, for example you get all the old skaters as well as modern pros.

Adalast, do games w Dusk: Unpopular opinion: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

Wait, this is unpopular? Well shit, I’m right there with you. I was already not liking Epic for many reasons, but the Satisfactory exclusivity deal seared them to a cinder for me. At least Valve is not publicly traded and the owner never has any intent on doing so. He is able to base his decisions on what he wants and is able to treat employees, customers, and content creators more fairly, even if it hurts his bottom line. Honestly, that is all I need to know about the man. He could go public and make billions, but he doesn’t. He wants the control and wants the closed company. In the modern world it is rare and, to me, laudable.

can,

He’s already a billionaire

Adalast,

This is quite true, though, unlike most of his cohort, he seems content with making more of them slowly over decades than trying to cash out asap.

Buttons, (edited ) do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly
@Buttons@programming.dev avatar

I was reading about the Unity debacle and thought thank God Gabe that Steam has never pulled shit like this.

I think part of the problem is too many companies are controlled by venture capitalists, or private equity, or whatever you call it. The point is that a single entity owns multiple companies from the shadows.

Companies are supposed to compete and the best company win, that’s good in theory. But when a single shadow entity owns multiple companies they’ll do something like squeeze customers of one company, which drives customers to their competitor, which, surprise, is owned by the same shadow entity.

Adalast,

You seem to know what you are talking about, so this is for those who don’t, the “illusion of competition” has become such a staple in the modern world. In the US (and much of the world as I understand it) eyeglass sellers are all owned by the same company. Pearl Vision, LensCrafters, and I think even the Walmart vision centers are all owned and operated by Luxottica. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxottica

It is a vertical monopoly that controls everything from materials acquisition to sales, directly “competes” with itself, and lies to customers every day to make them think they are actually in control.

Then you have companies like 3M, or Nestle, who control most of the entire industries. A good 85% of all food on the shelves in the USA is produced by one of 4 or 5 companies that definitely collude to fix prices and use aggressive tactics to protect their position. They also follow the “compete with yourself” model to make you think you are actually making a decision with your money. You aren’t.

Then there is the big Ag companies. In Ohio they have actually gotten laws on the books that make it illegal to do Farm Shares, where you purchase a share of the crops they produce for the year and for about 8 months a year you get a big basket of fresh produce delivered to you. An ex and I got to do it for a year before we split and it was amazing. It was a ton of food and only cost us about $150 for the half-share we purchased. It would be amazing right now with prices and it would help local private farms, which is precisely why they pushed it out.

I can rant for hours… So I cut here. This whole topic just infuriates me to no end.

Cybersteel,
@Cybersteel@lemmy.ml avatar

Illuminatus

naut, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

it should be easier to change publisher than engine, you can choose publisher, but Unity will hold your balls forever

mint, do gaming w PlayStation boss Jim Ryan is stepping down - Jason Schreier
!deleted4112 avatar

Homie was trash, glad he’s gone lol

Doubt whoever replaces him will be better though

Skyline969,
@Skyline969@lemmy.ca avatar

At least there’s potential now!

sub_, do gaming w PlayStation boss Jim Ryan is stepping down - Jason Schreier

Let’s hope that whoever is taking over the position is not as tone deaf as Jim is

vice.com/…/playstation-boss-jim-ryan-abortion-ema…

mint,
!deleted4112 avatar

"Dogs really are man’s best friend, they know their place, and perform useful functions like biting burglars and chasing balls that you throw for them,” Ryan wrote, according to Bloomberg

CEOs are not human

Ashyr, do games w Concerned Ape: Stardew Valley 1.6 content sneak peek. no release date yet

A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.

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