I think it will depend on what Microsoft promises to the team. Eventually the funding needs to como from someone, and seems that Game Pass is great for games that can’t drive by selling copies alone or are not Baldur’s Gate III level of quality.
Yeah that’s fair. But with how they’ve managed other “first party” titles I do not trust their policies.
I’m most curious to see how Senua’s Saga comes how since it should be a single player-only game that won’t fit into the monetization scheme Microsoft seems to like most
Which monetization scheme is that? It's not like Starfield, Hi-Fi Rush, or Psychonauts 2 had microtransactions, and those are just some of the games that actually had time to cook after Microsoft bought them. For how they've managed Halo and Gears, I don't believe microtransactions made their way into the campaigns, unlike an Assassin's Creed. I'm not sure I see the association here.
Both yes and no. Epic hasn’t gotten anything out of their attempt. Xbox is another matter, they are still trying. It was more or less the point of buying all those developer studios. They are just not rushing it. But yeah, the plan is to get the Game Pass concept to a certain point of normalization. Which they’re quite close to achieving.
By every metric we know of, they're very far from achieving it. Even with some of the largest companies by market cap now in their ownership, they're still nowhere close to owning the breadth of games that get made. Palworld still sold more copies on Steam than there were Game Pass subscribers who tried the game out as part of their subscription. Growth for Game Pass has slowed dramatically to something in the ballpark of a plateau, and subscription services for games only accounted for 10% of spending. This was two weeks ago that Matt Piscatella of Circana said that the idea that subscription services would take over gaming is unsupported by the data.
Palworld isn’t a MS Exclusive and the studios they bought haven’t churned out anything of note, yet. So it makes sense there hasn’t been any inclination of sudden growth in subscriptions.
But as I said, it’s a long con. The plan remains the same, get Game Pass into as many homes as possible. Let subscription become the new standard. It’s Microsoft after all, their track record speaks for itself.
You don’t have to agree with me, time will tell if it works out for them or not. But as for my part, I’m still actively against it and will stick to my guns about “Subscription Services and Storefront Exclusivity” being a no go.
I don't have a subscription to it either. Their games aren't exclusive to Game Pass, and you can still buy them a la carte. In fact, my point with Palworld is that many more people still opt to even though the intuitive answer is that it's cheaper to rent the game for one month than it is to buy it outright, but I think people have a pretty firm grasp at the value you're giving up to not own it outright. It was a long con to get people to buy games from the Windows Store too, and people rejected it. They can't squeeze blood from a stone if the market doesn't want something. The online subscription service that is doing the nasty stuff that you're afraid of is Nintendo's; there are games there only available via subscription. Not to say you're wrong for where you draw the line in the sand on what you will or will not buy, but nothing indicates we're anywhere close to that doomsday scenario.
“Doomsday Scenario” might be a bit much as a descriptor. XD
And yes, be it Nintendo, Sony, EGS or whatever, it’s the same deal. The biggest difference is simply that MS is so big that it not even close to a risk for them. As long as Xbox’s income evens out to zero and they aren’t actively losing money, it’s “a win” and they can easily make up for it and add to it until it starts making money. But it already does, so…
A juggernaut that size is hard to contend with and usually gets it’s way.
It will be interesting to see how many of InXile, Obsidian, Bethesda and ActivisionBlizzards future games will be Windows Store and Xbox exclusives. (timed or otherwise.) They are the new bargaining chips after all.
I mean, it was in an article where they were assuring people there wouldn’t be DLC. I mean obviously they didn’t say “there will 100% not be DLC”, but why make comments to the media saying “we’re not planning on DLC” if you were still toying with the idea of DLC.
I mean, it was in an article where they were assuring people there wouldn’t be DLC.
Which article is that? From what I remember the sentiment was basically “FFXVI is meant to be a complete experience, no DLC required. But if it’s successful and there is demand for it, it’s possible we’ll work on something in the future”.
This would be different from many games which have DLC planned and worked out during the development of the main game, before it’s released.
Did you play Final Fantasy XV? That game planned DLC from the start. It impacted the game heavily. Some of the DLC never even got made.
They said it wasn’t planned for XVI because it wasn’t planned at the time. But also to let people know that the base game wouldn’t have pieces missing from it. It’s truly a completely standalone experience and I believe that DLC was only an afterthought at that time.
But also, companies say all the time that they’re open to stuff, DLC, ports, sequels but nothing is planned yet. It’s really common. Sometimes they go do those things, sometimes they don’t. That’s what “not planned” means.
This feels like a pretty big overreaction from my perspective. As far as I know, they never promised to never release expansion content, nor does the existence of an expansion make the original game “less complete” retroactively.
Either way, I also don’t see what about this is “Modern gaming sucks”.
“It’s a one-off game,” Yoshida tells me. “We’re asking players to pay the full price for this experience, and so we want an experience that’s going to equal the amount of money that players are going to be paying and we want them to have satisfaction equal to what they paid or even more than that.
“We have no idea if people are going to fall in love with Valisthea and fall in love with Clive’s story and want to see more of the world and more of its characters,” Yoshida says. “So while we always want to consider DLC or spinoffs or those types of things where you can learn more about the game, first we want to see if Valisthea and Clive are really things players around the world want to see more of and then make that decision.”
More like fuck modern gamer reading capability am I right? Literally the same interview. Read more than headlines. This is the same crap takes you see on reddit, and we should take the opportunity to do better here.
The last mainline game they released was an incomplete mess that they couldn’t even fix with like 5 DLC’s. Then they lead their answer with “it’s a one-off game.” The quote you posted is complete marketing double speak, and IMO it’s completely fair to criticize. Yes, fuck modern gaming.
Hopeful, but not holding my breath. I will happily buy it at full price since I wanna support smaller, passionate studios, but I’m waiting on my purchase to see how it ends up on launch. Huge fan of the OG, hoping that this one rocks my dick off!
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