I just hope he learned from the first time and gets some people involved that can make a loud splash about this. If they just repeat what they did, it'll die in the crib.
Oh that has already happened. Second generation blizzard nepobaby PirateSoftware, misunderstood the goals of the initiative, started spouting personal hate towards Ross and made a video out of his stream for his large following months ago. People aren’t exactly a fan of the guy because of another controversy. He generally never likes admitting he’s wrong and apologizing for it. Always doubles, triples, quadruples down.
So that video he made got added to the list, big name drama/gaming news channels picked it up and got the ball rolling.
Kinda worried that nothing comes out of this because Ross did mention that he is aware of some amount of botting and, people making mistakes and also fake ones. Which is why reaching that 1.4 mill goal is important. The initiative has technically reached the goal but not 100% of the signatures are legit.
We are approaching the 1.4 million signatures but it has been very slow recently. I am a bit anxious that the total number of valid signatures is going to fall short of one million :S
I’m going to spoiler tag all the Nintendo legal-ese because it’s A LOT.
It boils down to this console is banned from logging in online. So a couple of questions:
Do you HAVE to be online to play Switch 2 games?
If the ban is correct for user violations, why ban the hardware? Why not ban the account?
spoilernintendo.com/…/error-codes-2124-4007-2124-4508/?s…You’re unable to connect to an online service and you receive the error code 2124-4007 or 2124-4508. You receive the error message “The use of online services on this console is currently restricted by Nintendo.” What to do: This error code indicates that the Nintendo Switch console you are using has been permanently banned from connecting to the internet due to a breach of the user agreements. A breach of user agreements may include, but is not limited to, activities such as: Fraudulent or unauthorized transactions Violation of the Code of Conduct accounts.nintendo.com/term/eula/AU5 Nintendo Code of Conduct When using the Nintendo Account Service, you must comply with the Nintendo Code of Conduct and ensure that your Nintendo Account is not used in breach of the Nintendo Code of Conduct. The Nintendo Code of Conduct prohibits all illegal, harmful or otherwise inappropriate conduct, including, but not limited to, the following: Illegal, harassing, hateful, defamatory, embarrassing, offensive, obscene, sexually explicit or otherwise objectionable actions performed with the Nintendo Account; Soliciting, accessing, storing or distributing prohibited materials; Providing any incorrect or false data when registering or using the Nintendo Account; Submitting false reports (either in a game or through an online service) regarding other users or content; Making, sharing or playing unauthorised copies of games, applications, software, add-on content, music, images, videos and other content available via the Nintendo Account Service; making new versions of Digital Products or other content available via the Nintendo Account Service (“derivatives”); Using cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorised device or software designed to modify the Nintendo Account Service or any part of it or using any unauthorised User Device or any unauthorised modification of a User Device; attempting to derive source code of the Nintendo Account Service; Gaining unauthorised access to any of Nintendo’s computers, hardware, equipment, servers or networks used to support the Nintendo Account Service; hosting, intercepting, emulating, reverse engineering any part of the Nintendo Account Service or redirecting the communication protocols used by Nintendo as part of the Nintendo Account Service, regardless of the method used to do so; Engaging in any commercial or advertising activity, or arranging meetings using a Nintendo Account; Selling, trading, assigning or otherwise transferring a Nintendo Account to another person or entity; Posting, sending or otherwise making available via Nintendo Account Service any content that infringes the rights of others, including any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, privacy rights, portrait rights or other intellectual property or proprietary rights; Posting, sending or otherwise making available via Nintendo Account Service any content that contains personal information (including photos, images and videos) of any third party without their permission; Selling, trading, assigning, licensing, or otherwise conveying virtual property for real money or for funds credited to a Nintendo Account, where “virtual property” refers to any features of games or other content that can be traded with other users for free or for in-game virtual currency; Fraudulent activities performed in relation to the Nintendo Account Service (in particular in relation to transactions in Nintendo Shopping Services).
Yes, in order to download your “Game Keycard” games, you must get the game data from nintendo online services. This is why banning online services is considered effectively bricking the console, at least for all 3rd party games on keycards.
If an account is banned, another one can be made for free and the user can keep utilizing their online services… Nintendo obviously looks at that like a burden, and wants to financially punish that user, making them have to buy another switch. This in turn benefits them.
For point 1, this sounds like a class action waiting to happen.
You buy a Nintendo console, Nintendo says you broke the rules and bans that console, now non-Nintendo games won’t work on it because it’s banned from reaching online services.
Any platform that restricts how and what I can run in it has inherently less value to me. This is why I mostrly avoided consoles all my life.
The only console I bought was the original Wii. The games were extremely expensive, and they disabled all the services that made the console useful after a few years (weather channel, news channel, store).
Fortunately I added a few SNES, PCEngine, Genesis/Megadrive and Gamecube emulators otherwise I would now have a very pretty white doorstop.
Switch - play w/ kids; Smash has been amazing for this
Steam Deck - not a console, but I use it as one; got it to play games in bed
I play most games on PC because I’m just not as interested in exclusives anymore, except maybe Zelda games, and with BOTW and TOTK, I’m less interested in those (they lost the formula I like).
I’ll probably get the Switch 2 eventually, but I’ll wait until there’s a game I really want (say, ALttP remake or something), my kids break our OLED Switch, or there’s an OLED Switch 2 with better battery life.
I don’t personally like Nintendo’s actions, but I’m not sure why this article is trying to imply Nintendo miscalculated and don’t know what they’re doing - as if bricking consoles will somehow lose them money.
From Nintendo’s perspective, turning the used market into a minefield of bricked consoles can only be a good thing, because it encourages people to buy new, and buying new is money in Nintendo’s pocket.
And the conclusion that people won’t buy the console for their kids because of this? “Sorry kids, but Nintendo are bad so we cant play your favourite Mario - you’re getting a steam deck instead!” Like heck! A small minority maybe, but people will generally buy their kids what the kids ask for.
While true, I think it’s important to note that many buy the Switch for other reasons. My kids wanted a Switch, but I didn’t get it until there were enough games my wife and I really wanted to play. My wife was bummed about Kinect dying and was Ted a replacement for her exercise games, and I had been missing Zelda games, so I got the Switch, some Just Dance games, Ring Fit Adventure, the two Zelda remakes, and a couple games for the kids. The kids have kind of taken it over, but it still fulfills our purposes in getting it.
My point is that the Switch has a lot more appeal than just shutting kids up for a bit. It’s a good console on its own, and the only console I’m willing to buy. The PS5 and Xbox Series has nothing I’m interested outside of a few exclusives, so my wife and I just play on our PCs and my Steam Deck.
it can suspend all kinds of services on your console, up to and including bricking it completely.
No, just online services.
Xbox and PlayStation have the same terms & conditions. Why is Nintendo being singled out?
Xbox:
You will not attempt to defeat or circumvent any Xbox Console, Kinect Sensor or Authorised Accessory technical limitation, security or anti-piracy system. If You do, Your Xbox Console, Kinect Sensor or Authorised Accessory may stop working permanently at that time or after a later Xbox Software update.
The second part simply isn’t true. Look at the ToS wording (US version). Nintendo added a clause specific to the device’s functioning, not only to online services.
“This shitty company has been shitty for 20 years, why do we care” is one of the most fanboi, dickriding responses possible. Why are you riding for Nintendo so hard given their shitty anti-consumer practices?
Agreed. Permanent hardware bans have been a thing since the PS3/360 era.
I’m not saying it’s a good thing that they can unilaterally disable hardware you purchased (although I certainly understand the reasoning wrt cheaters and pirates) but the author here is acting like the idea is some completely new scheme from the diabolical industry villains du jour.
This whole article is dumb because this is the same as it ever was with Switch 1. Resold switches could be banned from online play, how is this unique to the Switch 2? If you're going to buy used, go for a reputable source.
The change in EULA was the hint; I have not; and will not be buying any Switch 2 games, consoles or related merchandise. Nor will I be paying any further into my Switch beyond NSO as I have or buying any games for the Switch that are not explicitly on a physical cart.
I don’t buy games often anyways and would rather support Pocketpair and Palworld and Valve. So that’s where my discretionary spendand gift requests will go henceforth.
In general Nintendo is having it’s villainous arc; and I don’t believe they will survive it…given that they’ve run out or demoted their creatives and visionaries to workers. Nintendo is dead; what’s left is a greedy and soulless shell that behaves more like a gang or mafia. Given their History; that doesn’t surprise me.
I wish people would boycott but most people don’t know or think about right to repair, game preservation etc.
Nintendo is selling record numbers of Switch2 and they can just keep phoning it in because they have proven that people are willing to pay a subscription to rent emulated copies of their childhood games whilst replacing drifting joy cons every month.
Doubt this will be the end of Nintendo even though I would be happy to see some consequences for companies that clearly hate their paying customers.
It will be the end of Nintendo. …Eventually.Of course these things take time; and people in general are slow on the uptake; especially uninterested masses.
Eventually though; they will grow too bold; brick a larger number of systems than is absolutely necessary to intimidate people away from piracy and basically piss off the gaming userbase; at which point the Steam Deck and related hardware will likely draw all casuals in.
This is how you challenge actual pirates and grow your real enemy, while you punish innocent civilians. Pirates will pirate, regardless of what Nintendo says, wants or does. The real losers are loyal customers who pay lot of money.
When I got banned from online play on the Switch for using homebrew I stopped paying them for games on the platform. A lot of people are former pirates, and they’ll only accept so much before they decide the grass was greener.
And the loyal customers don’t care else they would have switched to a deck ages ago (like I did).
Nintendo doesn’t care and neither do its customers apparently. We can throw a hissy fit here on Lemmy but the cold hard truth is nobody outside Lemmy and reddit cares.
I also posted this in another threads a few days ago:
Nah, the OP of one reddit thread admitted he tried more than just his backups:
Dude is a prolific poster in Switch hacking communities and he used an account which he previously used with a hacked Switch 1
He admits trying the migswitch with the Switch 2 and it starting downloading something.
They got an online ban, so offline games and such still work.
You can agree or disagree whether piracy should be legal or whether backup copies are permitted (depends on jurisdiction), but this dude obviously played with fire and got burnt.
TL;DR: don’t be stupid and get banned for breaking ToS (whether you agree with it or not)
Yeah I was thinking the same, first few votes were down lol. Now you seem to catch the fire for pointing it out. Hope you care as much about votes as I do
Things you should never get caught liking on Lemmy:
Nintendo
Windows
Auth-right, lib-right, or lib-left politics
A can of beans
Police
Man vs bear hypothetical
CalyxOS
Etc.
I know Lemmy’s objection to most of these and I honestly dislike them too (oh no, brainwashed drone alert! Honestly, I consider myself quite lucky I hit a group where I actually do match the hivemind instead of being different yet again. Except I think Lemmy has a much higher tolerance for political posts, and for personal insults towards people who don’t share the hivemind than I do, but hey, you’ll probably never hit 100% consensus with any big group), except: I wasn’t aware that Lemmy had something against a can of beans. Genuinely, could someone please explain? Is this a reference to something, or is it genuine dislike towards canned beans? What’s wrong with canned beans?
Luckily at the moment they have a lot more upvotes than downvotes. Probably because they are providing information and aside from the “you are stupid for breaking (a likely-predictable) TOS and expecting nothing to happen” judgment, it’s pretty neutral on passing judgment on the bigger argument at hand: whether this policy should be here in the first place.
Stop moving the goalposts. Nobody cares about the votes themselves.
This is about observing a fact and recounting it to someone who’s misinformed about the situation and even has the audicity to gaslight someone over it
Tbf, I hope nintendo keeps going this route and punishing more and more its customers. After all, if you keep supporting a company that hates you so much, you deserve what you get.
Well if you’re already a pirate you don’t need the MIG or benefit in any way from using it. Presumably you’ve got an Erista Switch or a modchip. The MIG is only for pirating stuff on modchipless Lite/Mariko/OLED/Apparently 2 (but watch out) consoles. It can’t pirate updates or DLC or eshop-only games so it’s always worse than CFW or modchips for those that can use CFW or modchips.
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