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ampersandrew, do games w Phil Spencer wants Epic Games Store and others on Xbox consoles
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s finally happening? Console manufacturers realizing that the old model, that’s worse for the consumer, doesn’t make sense anymore?

echo64,

No, there won’t be another xbox. Phil Spencer is angling to get gamepass on nintendo and sony. But he’s going to have to force it through the courts and government legislation, much like epic is doing with mobile stores now.

It’s a play for gamepass, not the consumer

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a play for the consumer’s money, and when the consumer has better options than the traditional console model, the console model breaks down. They’ve got at least one more Xbox in them, whether or not that next Xbox is just a PC with different branding.

echo64,

The “better option” is subscription services where you own nothing and the bottom drops out of the industry, just like music and film. You can cheer for that if you want, but it is not in the interests of the consumer.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I wasn’t cheering for subscription services. I was cheering that this exclusivity model of walled gardens no longer makes economic sense, while open platforms are on the rise. Microsoft is hoping that their pivot will result in more subscribers to their subscription service, but all signs are pointing to them having a rough time of growing beyond where they stand now, for all sorts of reasons.

ReakDuck, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

Nintendo got exclusives and its only way to play them is on a switch.

Steam Deck can do everything and is just overkill till today.

Microsoft Xbox Handheld… ehh? It got… nothing of them both lol

WarlordSdocy,

You’re forgetting the other advantage of the switch is how cheap it is. If Microsoft can manage to make something that’s inbetween the price of a steam deck and a switch it could be pretty enticing.

BmeBenji, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

Leave it to microsoft to join the party years late with a product that completely misses the point of what makes the original to their copy actually popular

frauddogg, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

What does Xbox even have that I couldn’t already play on my PC? Halo’s dead; there’s no reason to humor Xbox as a console anymore. Microsoft’s still-surviving exclusives are all mid; so really, why would I get one of these when I could just play on my PC, or pick up a Steam Deck to have access to my PC’s library?

BruceTwarzen,

Everyone says to just pick up a steam deck. You know that they are not available worldwide. I couldn't buy one if i wanted to

GBU_28,

Why would an xboxdeck be available in ways a steam deck isn’t?

lupec,

Valve only makes the deck available in a handful of countries while Xbox hardware is available pretty much everywhere, so I’d say it’s natural to assume a hypothetical dexbox would too

Crikeste,

Because Xbox deck wouldn’t be made by a tiny gambling company. It would be made by a massive corporation with footholds for tech already established in practically every country.

frauddogg,
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

NVidia Shields exist too.

catloaf, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it

I don’t think this guy understands what innovation is. The Steam Deck and Wii aren’t particularly innovative. The Wii is a bit unusual, but pointer controls didn’t stick (though gyro controls have, in a minor way). The Steam Deck is just a regular handheld but with an x86 CPU.

I don’t think people are going to buy small consoles to play big games. And a powerful handheld is overkill to play small games. If people want to play small games, they use the phone they already have.

The handheld console sweet spot is slightly more powerful than the Switch. But the Switch’s selling power isn’t its hardware, but its library. Nintendo games have selling power. And even outside of that, the Switch has a surprisingly large library of third-party games like Skyrim and Doom. But if people really want a console that will do everything, they’ll get a Deck, because I know you won’t be able to do whatever you want on Microsoft’s handheld.

tias,

When the C-suite says “innovation” they tend to mean either “things other companies did that this company hasn’t done yet” or “obvious stuff that we should have done already but didn’t”.

MossyFeathers, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
@MossyFeathers@pawb.social avatar

I hope whatever they come up with is linux-compatible so it can work on the Steam Deck. I know it almost certainly won’t be, but it’d be nice.

catloaf,

It’s Microsoft, so it’d be Windows-based, just like the Xbox.

Which is not to say it wouldn’t run Linux, but it would probably be a hassle to get all the drivers working for whatever hardware they put in it.

bigkahuna1986,

It’ll probably be locked down, just like the Xbox.

cynar,

Valve are the only ones confident enough in their systems to do that. Valve’s mindset seems to be that trying to lock people in is a losing strategy, long term. Instead they are just making sure that their offerings are better than anything else available. If done right, it has all the advantages of locking people in, with none of the downsides. It also combines with the perceived openness, which gains you a lot of credit with the geek community.

Microsoft are too reliant on lock-in to risk opening it up.

squid_slime, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

If they’re going with that design then expect a cease and desist lol

rdyoung,

From who? Sega for ripping off the gamegear?

squid_slime,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

No dont be silly I obviously meant the gameboy

altima_neo, do gaming w A handheld Xbox? Microsoft’s gaming chief can’t stop thinking about it
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I mean Nintendo’s doing it. Sony’s doing it. PC is doing it. They’re the only ones not doing it!

ItsAFake,

Isn’t Sony’s attempt just a glorified steam link with its own screen?

SchmidtGenetics,

Doesn’t need to be as powerful and the battery lasts way longer.

Theres obviously downsides like needing a connection, but it’s meant to fit a different role than the steam deck.

ag_roberston_author,
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That’s what Xbox’s will probably end up being too, haha.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

It is, but Sony’s also done PSP and Vita. Either way, its more than MS has done with Xbox.

ItsAFake,

Sony’s also done PSP and Vita.

In all honesty, I completely forgot they existed when I made my comment.

erwan,

Yeah they tried handhelds, barely made a dent to Nintendo market share then gave up.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I mean near the end of its life, the PSP was outselling the DS. Sony dropped the ball with Vita though.

Katana314,

People pretty often completely understate the Vita’s popularity/lifespan. Less than the 3DS for sure, but early metrics were stupidly counting hardware sales when it was moving early to digital.

In Japan it stayed popular long after the USA stopped talking about it.

Vaeril, do games w Overwatch 2 season 10 will make all new heroes free, Blizzard announces

This is cool but I miss being able to grind for skins. Playing events and earning a bunch of loot boxes just for playing was great. I’m not giving them any money.

arefx, do games w Overwatch 2 season 10 will make all new heroes free, Blizzard announces

Still not going back.

Defaced, do games w Overwatch 2 season 10 will make all new heroes free, Blizzard announces

My guess is they’re going to make the heroes free and the battle pass or season pass or whatever the fuck it is a part of gamepass.

rigatti,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

Could be? Either way it’s a win for the players.

warmaster, do games w Overwatch 2 season 10 will make all new heroes free, Blizzard announces

No more Pay / Grind to Win, I’m glad my biggest gripe is fixed.

dog_, do games w Overwatch 2 season 10 will make all new heroes free, Blizzard announces

Doesn’t make the game any better. I played until season 9, I’m glad I don’t play anymore.

Carighan, do games w Overwatch 2 season 10 will make all new heroes free, Blizzard announces
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Instead of having to pay for the game’s premium battle pass or unlock that new hero through dozens of hours of gameplay, Blizzard will make Venture and all future heroes available to free for all players when they launch.

Wow, Blizzard actually taking a factually negative change back. No further modifications, no further rework, just a straight rollback of something that was a bad idea to begin with. That’s really a sign of the times changing, that always felt like something that is strictly forbidden at Blizzard! 😮

The new hero Venture is so/so though, IMO. Yeah their movement ability is awesome, but that weapon is so boring. And they hype it up so much, but it is just Sigma’s primary fire, including the ability to fire around corners and all. Unavoidable with so many heroes and not nearly enough niches for all of them that things will get doubled and tripled up, but it’s still disappointing to see something copied&pasted so directly.

CanadianCorhen,

And it only took how many years of people saying “wow, this is a really bad idea”

I loved OW1, went and saw a couple OWL games live, put hundreds of hours in…

No interest in OW2.

partial_accumen,

I played the hell out of OW1. They turned off OW1 servers and required my actual real phone number to continue to play on OW2. Wouldn’t even let me use a VIP number. There is no time in this universe where I will want Blizzard/Activision or its advertising partners to have my real phone number. No interest in OW2.

simple,

AFAIK they removed the phone number requirement from people who own OW1 a few weeks after release

zaph,

They did because my alt accounts work and they don’t have numbers attached.

imecth, (edited )

It's a good change for sure, but the cynic in me can't help but think they're doing this solely because they believe it'll make them more money this way.

Riven,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The actual reason is to hide the fact they’re probably not gonna have much if any pve content soonish. That’s the whole ‘reason’ behind ow2. They just layed off a bunch of staff too.

imecth,

I don't see the correlation between those and making new heroes free. Maybe as a way to douse the community flames.
I think it's simply because people want to play the new content. While some cave and buy the battlepass, it doesn't offset the losses of the grind and paywall that stops people from coming back and investing to begin with.

Riven,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s a distraction tactic. Blizzard has been doing it for years in wow too.

imecth,

Obviously they made the announcement at an opportune moment, but blizz wouldn't be making this change if it didn't coincide with their bottom line.

NekkoDroid,
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The actual reason is to hide the fact they’re probably not gonna have much if any pve content soonish

They literally out right said multiple times that PvE content is mostly shelved and to not expect anything. This isn’t some sort of secret they are keeping

smeg,

That’s not bring cynical, it’s just being realistic. They’re a publicly traded company, every action they take has to (by law?) be to make more money!

Wes_Dev, do gaming w Switch 2 is crunch time for Nintendo and backward compatibility

Nintendo: “Let’s force retro gamers to buy the Switch if they want to play our titles, by pressuring Steam to remove all Nintendo emulators, and by suing Switch emulators into oblivion.”

Also Nintendo: “Why don’t retro gamers want to buy our products anymore?”

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