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jawa21, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'
@jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Obviously, the solution is to use the turbo button to slow things down.

MossyFeathers, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'

Maybe the most significant issue is that, for some reason, the Seekers of the Storm update has tied Risk of Rain 2’s physics systems to its frame rate. When asked about it on Discord, Gearbox developer GBX-Preston said FPS-related issues, “and all the ramifications on balance/physics/attack speed/movement/etc. were not intentional. This is in our top handful of issues we’re investigating.” As a stopgap, he said players experiencing issues should lock the game at 60 fps.

Amazing. How the fuck did you do that?

addie,
@addie@feddit.uk avatar

It’s in Unity, isn’t it? So rather than multiplying the speeds by Time.deltaTime when you’re doing frame updates, you just don’t do that. Easy peasy. They’ve got that real “Japanese game devs from twenty years ago” vibe going.

bigmclargehuge,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

You mean “Bethesda to this day?”

ms_lane,

They fixed that with 76, Both 76 and Starfield have physics untied from framerate.

bigmclargehuge,
@bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world avatar

Thats great to hear. Not surprised about Starfield tbh, but I am surprised they fixed it for F76, considering it relies largely on the same tech as F4, which does have that limitation.

Zoboomafoo,

Or even a decade ago. Dark Souls 2 had some enemies’ attack animations tied to frame rate, like the Alonne Knights. So they attacked incredibly fast on PC compared to console.

Weapon degradation was also tied to framerate :(

Cornelius_Wangenheim,

At least Gearbox isn’t spending a year+ denying that the problem exists.

xavier666,

Minecraft has this wonderful mechanism where everything is dependent on game-tick/server-tick, which is independent of player FPS. Why do modern developers keep using FPS for game physics?

Baleine,
@Baleine@jlai.lu avatar

Minecraft is different because it uses a client and server pattern, separating the physics and display loops completely

breadguyyy,

basically every game uses ticks lol this was not intentional

Annoyed_Crabby,

Huh, now i know why that particular enemy are janky as heck in every aspect.

CluckN,

From what I’ve read they tried to combine the console and PC version into a unified single version. Gearbox must’ve seen the Borderlands movie and sought to lower the bar below the ocean floor.

p03locke,
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From what I’ve read they tried to combine the console and PC version into a unified single version.

JFC. Starting off with something that is cross-compatible is one thing, but trying to merge the two codebases together… that’s a 2-3+ year effort, minimum.

funkless_eck,

Destiny 2 still struggles with this. Some enemy attacks 1 shot because at high frame rates they hit the player multiple times as the projectile passes through the player character’s model

ALERT, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'
@ALERT@sh.itjust.works avatar

What’s all the hate about? I have already played this dlc for 8 hours and have seen zero bugs.

Wrufieotnak,

Saying your own anecdotal experience to counter balance a reported problem for many others is fine. Acting like those problems don’t exist is stupid.

Read the article and you will know ‘what all the hate is about’.

dhhyfddehhfyy4673, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'

Steam should implement mandatory version history rollbacks. Super lame that it's optional, at the dev's discretion.

epicsninja, (edited )

You can freely download old versions of steam games. You used to be able to do it through the steam console, but now you have to use an external application.

Edit: you can still do it through the Steam Console.

breadguyyy, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'

main issue is that with console parity and unity version upgrade a lot of things are now tied to fps, but they are aware of it and are working on it. the main issues were regional pricing (which has been remedied) and all embracer products (including this dlc) being unpurchasable in Russia. Basically, give it a couple weeks

Annoyed_Crabby, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'

Risk of Rain 2 is developed by just 8 people. It’s a game that I don’t regret buying early access because the early access till 1.0 is the smoothest sailing i’ve ever seen for a game. I have a pretty old pc that’s low spec even back then, the game just run smoothly.

And of course a multibillion company is the one messing thing up.

Cadeillac,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t realize Gearbox had any part in it. Are they just the publisher?

breadguyyy,

no it's being developed by an internal team now

Cadeillac,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, that sucks

breadguyyy,

they're not that bad, they had been working with hopoo for a while before the IP sale

Cadeillac,
@Cadeillac@lemmy.world avatar

The article says otherwise

breadguyyy,

idk maybe the team changed but last I heard (from hopoo) the internal gbx team were mainly the folks who did work on sotv and anniversary update

Annoyed_Crabby,

They bought the IP from hopoo a few years ago, and this DLC is 100% by Gearbox internal dev.

CodexArcanum,

Man that is the saddest thing. I really loved that series, sounds like it’s cooked.

Annoyed_Crabby,

The content looks pretty good though, sadly with Gearbox takeover i think the polish just gonna suffer from now on.

simple, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'

Something to note is that it’s not just the DLC, the patch that released alongside it introduced a slew of bugs to everyone who owns the game. Apparently this includes framerate now affecting things like movement speeds, enemies sometimes dealing insane bursts of damage randomly, invisible enemy projectiles, among other gameplay breaking stuff. Total disaster.

Sigh… I guess we saw it coming with Gearbox…

xavier666,

You mean if I just update my game on Steam, it will get messed up? I don’t have the DLC

simple,

Yes.

KeraKali, do games w Gearbox's first Risk of Rain 2 expansion gets hammered on Steam as developer admits the PC version 'is in a really bad place'

Wel it was in a pretty good place until they came along…

dillekant, do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit

My main issue with it is that everyone is using it to push their own narrative about why the game failed. People doing the “It’s a woke game, so it went broke”, or “it’s a saturated market”, or whatever. These are just reactions, not data driven analyses.

Iapar, do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit

I just want battleborne back…

VulKendov,
@VulKendov@reddthat.com avatar

Me too…

CHOPSTEEQ,

On god. I bought four god damn copies of it and it still wasn’t enough.

Faydaikin, (edited ) do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Pcgamer sure is putting a lot of words and intentions onto people.

Edit: I have now read Firewalks wiki and I’m starting to see a picture. Just seeing the words “Sony”, “Bungie” and “Activision” repeated everywhere does kinda give an impression of what the hopes for the game were.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

Yep. This was definitely going to be the next destiny and this PvP hero shooter is using the existing assets in the most cheapest way

apotheotic, do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit

There’s no jubilation at “seeing a big game fail” there’s jubilation at seeing a game fail that is developed by a studio that is doing fucked up shit, or a game that is shovelling some fucked up agenda, or the like.

We dance on the graves of any game developed by Actiblizz, Ubisoft, EA, etc not because they are big games, but because they are developed by evil corporations.

AnEilifintChorcra, do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit

Over and over and over and over the gaming community has been screwed over by Publishers so I’ll stop grave dancing when Corpos stop being so horrible

  • Requiring a third party account to play a game months after it was released and after selling it to customers who can’t legitimately make an account because you don’t feel like their country can make you enough profit. Helldivers 2
  • Attempting to take away peoples digital “purchases” of media because you can’t be bothered to pay licencing. Sony
  • Changing the definition of “purchase” an established word in English and not defining your new definition until page 22 of a EULA that you know nobody is going to read. Sony, and everyone else
  • Shutting down a server and rendering a game with a whole single player aspect completely useless and not telling consumers this at the time of purchase. The Crew (www.stopkillinggames.com)
  • Selling a terribly incomplete game filled with glitches for the price of a full game. Cyberpunk 2077 and so many others.
  • Selling Pre-Purchases to let people play the game early but really its just another way to get people to pay to be Guinea pigs in your buggy game. That new Star Wars game and so many others.
  • Adding so many stupid “micro transactions” to games to milk players as much as possible for useless skins and camos etc. Diablo 4 and so many more.
  • Adding a “Season Pass”??? I don’t even understand what this is??? Buy a full priced game and then buy a subscription to that game??? But still not have access to all of the content and then be shown a magic glove that costs €500, why is this not part of the subscription or is it??? I hope it is. New COD and probably others
  • “Making” a game and selling it to people but really its just a scam where they got “volunteers” to work on the game for free. Then shutting the game down instantly. That zombie game with Will Smith.
  • Something, something Overwatch 2 is a totally brand new game.
  • Shutting down third party mods for an unsupported and dangerous game just after the sale for that game is over. Fine, they didn’t own all of the assets used but they did fix the issue where people could infect your system with malware. COD
  • Increasing the prices of all of your subscriptions and making those subscriptions worse by offering less while your parent company is posting ~$20 Billion profits in the most recent quarter, yes quarter, thats like 3 months…

Btw all of these examples have happened within the last 4 years. Its pretty sad that I can list these off the top of my head. I only play single player games and I only got back into gaming a couple of years ago after ~10 years of not really playing anything

The_Che_Banana,

Gambling mechanic disguised as loot boxes.

maxsettings, (edited )

Here are some more to add to the list:

Running a proprietary anti-cheat at the kernel level that causes system instability and only works on Windows. Valorant and many others.

Releasing a sequel to a live service game that doesn’t port over the money / skins users have purchased in the original game over many years. Smite 2.

Paying publishers to make games exclusive to your crappy store on PC instead of making the store front better. Epic Games.

Making a single player only game with always on DRM and network requirements. A lot of games by EA, Ubisoft, and Bethesda.

That time Ubisoft tried to make NFTs in video games a thing.

EDIT: Removed Overwatch 2. It does allow skin transfers for ones the developer chose to keep in the sequel.

Megaman_EXE,

Wait what hold the phone. You don’t keep your skins from OW1 going to OW2?

CaptainBasculin, do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit

Not running on linux = no buy

delmain, do gaming w The eagerness to grave dance on unpopular games has become a bad habit

I have a very simple reason for hating Concord and being slightly happy that it failed: They bait-and-switched the hell out of all of us with that reveal video.

You can’t build up an interesting world filled with characters like that and then give us a PvP-only hero shooter. Who do you think you are, old Blizzard?

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

That’s not old Blizzard, but new Blizzard.

Old Blizzard is everything before WoW.

SineSwiper,
@SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

You being very generous by calling the characters interesting. The character line-up was the most generic, by-the-numbers GotG ripoff I’ve ever seen.

delmain,

I didn’t say they were interesting, we didn’t get nearly enough interaction from them to know, but there was unarguably much more depth to them than “agent 123” in most shooters

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