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Phegan, do gaming w I've never seen a company squander as much goodwill as Blizzard.

Blizzard is dead. At the time they were Activision. Now they are Microsoft. The blizzard that existed to make StarCraft, warcraft and diablo only exists in name.

TrousersMcPants,

I don’t know, the World of Warcraft dev team recently unionized and got Chris Metzen to return as creative director. And, personally, as a current WoW player (War Within is great so far btw) the whole feel of the studio is so much better than during Shadowlands when things were bad and I quit the game. I think that Warcraft at least is having a bit of a comeback now.

Overwatch 2 is awful tho

jjjalljs,

Chris Metzen

I don’t really know details about who does what at Blizzard, but isn’t he the guy responsible for the utter train wreck of Diablo3’s writing? Whoever wrote and approved “How tastes your fear, Nephalem?” did a bad job.

TrousersMcPants,

He wrote the setting for Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft. He developed the story for Diablo 1 - 3 as well as most of the lore for the first 3 Warcraft games I believe.

Phegan,

There was no story for Diablo 1. At exile con the creators of Diablo talk about how there was no story and the execs at Blizzard tacked one on. Chris Metzen had nothing to do with it.

TrousersMcPants,

What? I played Diablo 1, it literally had a story? Chris Metzen co-created the setting for the franchise with David Brevik and Bill Roper in 1996. The changes Blizzard wanted made from the original concept of Diablo was to make it real-time rather than turn based and to add multiplayer as part of the publishing agreement. I don’t see anything about a storyline being “forced” on the developers.

Phegan,

Basically David brevik said that there was no story and the cut scene on the end was added by blizzard south. They had no intent to add that.

I stand corrected though. Metzen is credited as a writer on Diablo. But not Diablo 2.

I suspect Metzen wrote the ending that was tacked on according to Brevik, since at that time blizzard north was a completely different team at the time.

Phegan,

youtu.be/0coFsOfLcPg?si=1JRdDva77SivwKN6

This is the interview. I don’t have a timestamp but the whole thing is compelling.

TastyWheat,

One game was all it took for Big Red to turn from an epic “Not even death can save you from me” into a cartoon villain. Fucker wouldn’t shut up throughout Act 4…

jjjalljs,

Right?? “Not even death can save you from me” is a little corny but on the whole solid. All the shit he says in the 3 is just bad.

snekerpimp, do gaming w I've never seen a company squander as much goodwill as Blizzard.

I miss the Warcraft II and StarCraft days. You could tell they were serious by their cutscenes, but also knew they were having fun, and wanted the player to as well, by the gameplay and Easter eggs. “Line must go up” took over, now it’s all cash grabs. I will not buy a game from them at full price again.

criitz,

It hasn’t been the same company that delivered that gaming magic in the 90s since, well, the 90s.

LaserTurboShark69,

Their cutscenes still go hard honestly

snekerpimp,

Meh, they are what I expect from a company that is that profit centric. Looking good is top priority for selling, after all.

Rekorse,

Its probably not that hard to make an inspirational 5 minute animation though, is it.

I mean they likely have some great talent doing it, but its not the product, its not what we are paying for.

At least they started putting more cut scenes in game rather than the single intro video to hype you on the game.

dinckelman, do gaming w I've never seen a company squander as much goodwill as Blizzard.

It’s a cultural issue.

People at Larian had one objective the entire time - making a genuinely good D&D based game. If the money comes, that’s incredible. And it did come.

People at blizzard make games with the goal of making money. The era of making something fun has been long over in this studio

The_Picard_Maneuver,
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It seems that publicly traded game companies simply can’t help themselves from becoming this (e.g. Activision/Blizzard, Ubisoft, EA).

It’s very sad, but at least there are still a few private AAA companies and indies who seem to make fun games for the sake of fun games.

dinckelman,

Once you go public, you’ve practically forced yourself into aiming for infinite growth. “Just enough” revenue is not in the vocabulary of these people

henfredemars,

That’s what happens when MBAs start making too many product decisions at a tech company, and game companies are no exception.

oxideseven,

Not even just game companies. Publicly traded companies are a curse on humanity.

arefx,

I don’t buy or play their trash any more. It ain’t the 90s or 00s any more. Blizzard is ass.

Ea, ubisoft, Blizzard. The games aren’t even that good

dinckelman,

Yeah, pretty much. A lot of their games appear on a 80% sale half the time, and even then it’s still not worth it. It’s not even about the money, it’s about being disrespected by the dogshit they continue to release.

I would rather give my time to a passionate indie studio, where the people put together a genuinely unique experience

Cornelius_Wangenheim,

It’s an ownership issue.

Larian is privately owned by Swen Vincke. They can concentrate on making good games because they don’t answer to anyone but Swen.

Blizzard is publicly owned. It has to answer to greedy and short-sighted shareholders.

LEDZeppelin, do gaming w I've never seen a company squander as much goodwill as Blizzard.
Zomg, do gaming w I've never seen a company squander as much goodwill as Blizzard.

It’s a shame, I liked OW1, even with the tired meta and 6v6 more than I liked OW2.

The loot boxes weren’t predatory, allowing unlocking of skins and content without spending anything extra was a nice balance in my opinion that I wish more games did.

They took OW1 and bastardized it, it deserves the rating it has. It used to be that new versions of games were better.

Coasting0942,

It used to be that new versions of games were better.

I for one am very interested to see the quality differences between worker owned game studios and corporate studios. But last I heard they had only just started unionizing.

And a programmer friend I talked to couldn’t comprehend why he would want to be in a union.

SteveFromMySpace,

But last I heard they had only just started unionizing

Who is/are “they”?

the_post_of_tom_joad,

Tech workers in general have been finally making baby steps with unions trying to form at goog and maybe a couple others. I think kickstarter got a union a couple years ago as well… There are some other examples too which is a big change from just a few years ago

SteveFromMySpace,

Word I just wasn’t clear if you were talking about a specific studio or blizzard or something.

Visstix,

World of warcrafts team and Bethesda recently unionized.

eyeon,

unions are a harder sell in an industry like tech where it’s common to have a diverse skill set spanning work that could arguable each be it’s own union. does a full stack dev have to join the database admin union before they can write sql queries?

those diverse skill sets also make the individual value of workers fluctuate a lot more as well.

I still like the idea of unions but I just don’t know how you can make them work for tech;if anyone has any good resources on the subject I’d love to read more about it

jjjalljs,

And a programmer friend I talked to couldn’t comprehend why he would want to be in a union.

I also had a programmer friend that was anti-union. He was like “If the place I’m working at sucks, I’ll just find another place.” Very short sighted and optimistic.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
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It really is a shame. I played so much OW1, and then suddenly it changed to be like all the other modern games with sleazy monetization that I avoid.

zalgotext,

The loot boxes weren’t predatory

Ehhh, they were basically the same thing as a slot machine. The battlepass is certainly worse, as it just encourages rampant (not so) microtransactions, but just because the current battlepass system is really predatory, doesn’t mean the old loot box system wasn’t predatory at all. It was just less predatory.

Zomg,

Well I guess what I mean by that is that loot boxes were free to obtain AND open through leveling and weren’t exclusive to forking over money.

No lootboxes at all is the ultimate goal, but I’d take OW1 lootbox style over nearly any others.

Karyoplasma, do gaming w Just one more time

90% of gamers do not stop pre-ordering games.

Schal330, do games w Day 45 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I’ve been playing until I forget to post Screenshots

I have 3,400 hours in this game. What I enjoy is that I’m not expected to dedicate my life to it. I pay for 30 days at a time and play when new content is released every 3 months.

I know the last expansion Dawntrail is being slated on Steam reviews, but gameplay wise it was great. The music was solid as always, the Arcadion content was fun and the new zones looked great. Given how good the story has been in the past expansions I can understand how hard it must be to write a whole new story arc and make everyone happy. Some people want something entirely new, while others want to keep it all the same.

MyNameIsAtticus,
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I can understand how people can sink 3,400 hours into it. I alone sank 14 hours into it yesterday. I will say I personally don’t like the idea of paying a subscription for my time after buying the standard edition, but I do understand they need to make income somehow and for live service games like this that is hard without a subscription.

Schal330,

The subscription fee imo is warranted given they release new content every 3 months, which includes voice acting, new dungeons, and new raid content. If it was a monthly sub with nothing released between expansions it wouldn’t be acceptable imo. Highly recommend not having a recurring sub

Dremor,
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Don’t forget the servers cost. Those things cost a lot. I have a pretty good gaming setup, 2k€+, but my home server costed me more in the end.

Dremor, do games w Day 45 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I’ve been playing until I forget to post Screenshots
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I’m playing since the 2.0 days, I almost grew up with this game and its characters. Top tier game, be it as an MMO or a single player game, it is worth it.

chemical_cutthroat,
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I was dating a girl that sold me on 1.0, and I was going to play it with her. We broke up, and 1.0 released, and I just said fuck it. It wasn’t until Heavensward that I came back. It kills me that in that time I lost my original key, so I don’t even have my swanky 1.0 survivor rewards.

I’m so glad I came back, though. It’s been my only MMO since then, and it just gets better with every new release.

helloharu,
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I still have my 1.0 disc, given how useful it is now, it horrifies my friends when they find out I’m using it as a coaster. I stopped playing before I could get the rewards too, so seeing people with the tattoos always makes me sigh.

garretble,
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My friends and I started with the 2.0 beta, and it’s wild to me that I’ve now played one game in three decades of my life (started when I was 29 and we are now into year 11).

Gonna be in a retirement home grinding to level 250 or whatever.

LemmySoloHer, do games w Day 45 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I’ve been playing until I forget to post Screenshots
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I’ve got family members that have loyally progressed through this game over the course of years and they absolutely love it still. Great music throughout.

MyNameIsAtticus,
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After playing it I went through the soundtrack and added a few songs to my “Background Music” playlist I use when trying to focus. It has a ton of great tracks.

SolarMonkey, do gaming w I re-created The Shining in my horror game where you play as a Toddler on a Tricycle called Baby Blues Nightmares. What do you think?

I haven’t seen the shining, so this probably isn’t my bag, but I’m commenting to bump you up in the ranking for top posts of x period of time. Whatever that may be.

I hope it does well for you man! I hope the launch is spectacular; whatever you are hoping for and then some ^_^

kamenlady, do gaming w I re-created The Shining in my horror game where you play as a Toddler on a Tricycle called Baby Blues Nightmares. What do you think?
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

The carpet is very well implemented.

Windex007, do gaming w I re-created The Shining in my horror game where you play as a Toddler on a Tricycle called Baby Blues Nightmares. What do you think?

Do you scare the shit out of NPCs?

Steelkrill,

HERRRRRRRRRE’S JOHNNY!

Broken_Monitor, do gaming w I re-created The Shining in my horror game where you play as a Toddler on a Tricycle called Baby Blues Nightmares. What do you think?

You better call it the shinning unless yoo want to get sood!

FlihpFlorp,

The Shinn of yours boy

Don’t you mean shine

No

Don_Dickle, do gaming w I re-created The Shining in my horror game where you play as a Toddler on a Tricycle called Baby Blues Nightmares. What do you think?

What did you create it in? How did you create it? Why the shining? I got so many questions.

Steelkrill,

Hey! I created it in Unity. It’s actually a game I been working on for over a year now which is releasing in September (Finally), but was playing around and re-created the shining in it for fun (since I LOVE the movie) haha

Don_Dickle,

Well mate I wish you best of luck. When it releases can you do another post so we can download it? And hopefully it isn’t an AAA price point.

Steelkrill,

Thank you appreciate it! Will do!

If you like you can also wishlist it here on steam as well as it’s available: …steampowered.com/…/Baby_Blues_Nightmares__Toddle…

and no don’t worry! I always price my games in the $10~ price point. Thank you dude! :)

Coreidan,

Why Unity? You know you’re only going to get fucked over right?

kambusha, do gaming w I re-created The Shining in my horror game where you play as a Toddler on a Tricycle called Baby Blues Nightmares. What do you think?

And my axe!

Steelkrill,

Haha yeah, the axe is special! :D

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