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Crashumbc, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating

I’ve gotten back into WOW classic playing a bunch.

Just bought a 4070 super…

Trollception,

Was playing EverQuest for a bit… Only rockin a 2080TI, haven’t upgraded in a while.

MamboGator, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating
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Games from 1999-2007 aged really well. I’ve been playing Aliens vs Predator 2, No One Lives Forever and a bunch of GameCube, PS2 and Xbox games on my Steam Deck.

ThirdWorldOrder,

GameCube runs fantastic on steam deck! Still playing MVP Baseball ‘05 hitting mini game and I still suck

ProfessorProteus,
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Make a player named Jacob Paterson. EZ home runs.

If you can deal with the extreme tedium of making an entire roster of "Jacob Paterson"s (changing letter casing here and there), you’ll be steamrolling everyone. Kinda ruins the fun of the game, but I find it really satisfying to watch >700ft home runs that clear the entire stadium and hear Kuip and Krukow endlessly call dinger after dinger. Pure dumb fun :D

ThirdWorldOrder,

That’s a good idea. I just use Jon Dowd, the white fictional dude who has the same stats as Barry Bonds lol

Matriks404,

Additioaly if you count 2D games like classic RPG’s and platformers, games from SNES and PSX era are golden as well.

Cryophilia,

I wish I had a gamecube still so I could play this again (and again and again): en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Second_Sight_(video_game)

CaptKoala,

Makes me wish the Deck OLED wasn’t worth blood money on this side of the pond.

I’ll be interested to see how the Orangepi Neo reviews when it releases, it’s the only handheld I reckon can hold a candle to the deck, though I suspect Orangepi’s track record of record shite support will derail that one.

Resonosity,

Steam Deck man. Such an effing win.

misterundercoat, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating

Me with Battlefront Classic if they hadn’t fucked up multiplayer so bad that I refunded immediately.

runeko, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating
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Just started playing Skyrim this year.

misterundercoat,

So you’re just about finished with the character creator, then. Don’t worry, Hadvar is a patient man.

CosmicCleric, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating
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This meme makes me miss the button we used to have on the front of PCs to slow down the CPU, so that some games could be played.

wonderfulvoltaire, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating
@wonderfulvoltaire@lemmy.world avatar

*in 4k

wintermutehal, do gaming w Keep retro games alive

Fallout 1 and 2 are god tier. I‘ll throw in planescape as well, since the teaser for it came with Fallout 2 (I think). Like what you want, I like bmovies more than regular movies, but OG fallout is so much better than the skin husk that gets worn these days.

I feel like the dude in the wrestling meme with this post haha, it’s still real to me damnit

CryptidBestiary, do gaming w Keep retro games alive

My face every time I get banished from my community after saving it

nix, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating

Me playing OpenTTD on my gaming rig.

Rentlar,

It’s not a perfect replacement and single player only if that matters, but have you tried Transport Fever 2? It’s got a TTD feel with beautiful modern graphics.

nix,

I’ve heard good things, I’ll wishlist it and grab it in a good sale sometime!

lengau,

a TTD feel

beautiful modern graphics

Hmmmm…

Rentlar,

Sorry I meant a TTD feel in terms of basic mechanics, but with beautiful modern graphics.

CorrodedCranium, do gaming w Classic Microsoft
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I’m honestly surprised they’re still updating Java edition

MentalEdge, (edited )
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That’s the version people actually play, and which has the furthest developed systems to do bigger stuff. Look up PaperMC, it enables some wild stuff for Minecraft multiplayer.

The server options available for multiplayer in Bedrock are truly pathetic in comparison.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

I know. I’ve seen a lot of videos on the differences between Java and Bedrock, how Bedrock came to be, modding on Java like Feed The Beast, and multiplayer servers like 2BT2 (for those that don’t know FitMC has some good vidoes on 2B2T; it’s a neat rabbit hole to go down if you want to kill sometime).

What I am saying is I am surprised that Microsoft is still updating Java when there’s so much money to be made nickle and diming players in Bedrock edition. Like paying for skins for example. It would definitely piss off a lot of the player base but I don’t know if it would cause them to lose money in the long run. I imagine a lot of casual players are content using Bedrock and unaware of why Java is important.

dustyData,

Minecraft is already on the way out of the Zeitgeist of cultural relevance. The minecraft audience is mostly nostalgic grown ups now. Bedrock is kept alive by parents trying to have quality time with their kids on a safer or easier to maintain server space. The truly passionate and obsessed users, doing crazy and innovative stuff to their servers are still on Java edition. Kill Java and you kill Minecraft for all practical intents and purposes.

Kids are playing roblox now anyways.

CorrodedCranium, (edited )
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I feel like Minecraft surges in popularity pretty regularly. As long as people continue streaming it and posting videos of it I think that’ll remain the same. I don’t know if someone who is looking for a taste of what they saw online will know the limitations of Bedrock. They might just pick it up because it’s available on whatever platform they use.

I suppose killing Java might put a stop to the content that is being created with Minecraft and that might cause it lose its relevance but I don’t know if a majority of content creators are using Java or Bedrock.

dustyData,

Streamers almost exclusively use Java. There are certain popular games and mods that are only possible and/or easier to setup on JE. Achievement Hunter was one of the rare channels that used the console version at first and even them changed to the JE eventually. But they are not relevant anymore, weren’t for some time before their closure. Hyper massive servers, custom maps, automated gamerules with scripts, most of those things that make Minecraft creative and interesting to watch exist only on the JE.

CorrodedCranium,
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Achievement Hunter is what made me wonder. I knew they used Java for Galacticraft but I thought they used Bedrock for pretty much everything else.

I also don’t know how popular streaming Bedrock multiplayer servers is. I think they are called Realms.

dustyData,

The service for JE is called Realms and for Bedrock it’s Realms Plus. Certain server side mods aren’t possible on bedrock.

Wooki,

Nah.

Distance horizons is amazing.

Never seen so much buzz thanks to distance horizons and now every shader is building in compatibility to make some truely stunning visuals. Let alone the insanely amazing mods packs and general content!

dustyData,

It’s funny you bring that up. Because it’s par for the course. Bedrock is the prettier Minecraft, but JE is the gameplay Minecraft. Flashy shaders and shitty LOD have their splash for a few days. But ultimately they are not what Minecraft is about. Same thing happened with ray tracing. People think they want to play with those things because they’re shiny, but then they realize their old hardware can’t run it without lag, so they go back to their obby maps and squid game servers that look like shit but run at 60fps and are actually fun.

Wooki,

I agree for shaders, but distant horizons brings a level of immersion i have no felt to the game in a long time. Add this with the mod packs and its so good! (Ages fan here)

Retrograde,
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I mean, I’m running high detail shaders and distant horizons and my game runs like butter, as does my partner’s who has a 2060 ti.

You’d be amazed how well fabric java Minecraft can run. For me there is zero point in even entertaining the idea of using bedrock.

I also run a java server with the geyser mod which means that bedrock players can play on it if they need to.

Java will always be the superior Minecraft version.

Jakeroxs,

I wonder how many times I’ve seen people say Minecraft is out of relevance and yet…

dustyData,

I didn’t say it is out of relevance. I said it is on its way out of cultural relevance. As in, it’s slowly dwindling over time. Nothing extremely popular disappears over night. It will take decades. And it’s not that I don’t like it, I bought Minecraft on alpha 1 and something. 14 years ago. Have played every single update until recently, and played almost everything it has to offer.

However much I love it, I can also recognize that it is no longer like the heyday of popularity around 2015, when the default YouTube page was plastered with Minecraft let’s plays, and the only non-Minecraft streamers on the newly minted Twitch brand were WoW players and speed runners. Kids are no longer making Minecraft fanfic comics, and there’s fewer Minecraft themed birthdays. Again, the average Minecraft player has a higher chance of having kids by now than being a kid themselves.

Telodzrum,

Kids are all playing Bedrock on their Switches and iPads. Microsoft is just passing the long game.

lazycouchpotato,
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Java is quite popular online due to all the mods and the videos people upload to YouTube using those mods, but I believe in terms of number of users, Bedrock outscores it quite a bit. The barrier to entry is lower – $7 on iOS/Android and most people have phones.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

actually bedrock servers are way more capable, bedrock has proper reconnect packets, custom ui frameworks (i.e. servers can do proper themed guis that look fucking awesome instead of relying on chests) and custom 3d models.

reddithalation,

which they sell to you through microtransactions

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

???
this has nothing to do with my comment

reddithalation,

I’m just saying that yes bedrock (and it’s server) may have better mod features, but the mods end up being sold on the minecraft marketplace or whatever anyway. Yes you can download and install mods for free, but I bet the majority of players just buy them.

vox, (edited )
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’m talking about features available to server software, not addons.

bedrock servers can use custom 3d models natively, build fully custom native uis (instead of relying on chests) and reconnect players to other servers without resorting to terrible hacks like on the java edition
also bedrock server software itself is objectively much more efficient, there’s no point of even comparing it to the java server software, even unofficial servers like papermc.

It’s the main reason why cubecraft’s CTF mode is severely limited on the java edition, they basically crippled it just to allow the server to keep up

yes, the marketplace sucks ass but my point still stands.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

People already pirate Java to shit, if they made it unavailable than that immediately legitimizes all of it under the game preservation argument.

CorrodedCranium,
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Does FFA stand for free for all?

Omega_Haxors,

I used better language this time

interdimensionalmeme,

Any argument in favour of respecting the minecraft copyright went out the window wheb The Hated One sold out the playerbase to microsoft for two billions.

Yeah, open source it you FUCK !

BigBananaDealer, do games w Gameplay mechanics were also a lot better with more replayability.
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i remember when games were artificially hard so you had to keep renting it longer to beat it. and if you die you go all the way back to the start of the game. so much fun

TwilightVulpine,

I’m an oldschool gamer but unlike many of those of today, I don’t miss that part one bit. Infinite lives? Checkpoints? Autosaves? Yes please.

wolfshadowheart,

I have a feeling their comment was tongue in cheek. I absolutely agree too, for while I do think there is some merit in artificial difficulty and creativity within set restrictions, I also enjoy games much more when I emulate them and have save states.

I think a great example that bridges the gap between more modern-style hardware and daily living, and old difficult repeatable gameplay is the era of the Gameboy Color. So many of the games for these style of consoles were meant to be played in bursts (arcades, anyone?) due to the on-the-go nature, and since that fit so in line with the already existing mechanisms gaming had – artificial difficulties by design – there is a very streamlined progression from 1980’s games and early 2000’s games.

So, what changed? Well let me tell you, it wasn’t the Blackberry.

Honestly, the iPhone. As mobile game consoles like the Nintendo DS got better, games got more fully fledged like the home console games were. Developers were recreating game experiences like Spyro, putting in huge games in tiny mobile consoles (Toon Link, anyone?). Yes, the Nintendo DS still had its shovelware but the iPhone was the new bridge that gapped the old arcade style pay-to-play. Games with artificial difficulty now had micro-transactions allowing you to bypass the designed limitations. As mobile consoles got better games, mobile gaming got far, far worse, leading us to “”““random””“” RNG -gacha and lootboxes and all the great gambling starters.

That’s only further developed for offshoots of software. Just look at all the junk between the: FOSS stores, Apple Store, Play Store, Samsung Store, Meta-Quest Store, going even further some devices have their own separate store entirely. And now these stores ship updates, so you don’t even have to finish your game before selling it!

Ironically, Nintendo paved the way for a really great opportunity, then capitalists saw the opportunity to exploit the free market and now there is literal garbage everywhere.

TwilightVulpine,

Mobile gaming truly embraced the worst side of arcades. I remember way back when there were gamers protested so that the media and governments wouldn’t lump video games with gambling, and now the studios themselves put slot machines inside them.

SpruceBringsteen,

Fucking Lion King game

yamanii, do gaming w They're often much older if I'm emulating
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Hey you need a beefy pc to get the mega bezel shaders with reflections on the fake crt to work properly.

littlebluespark, do gaming w Goals when developing a game
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Thafuq is Dusk?

CluckN,

It’s a boomer shooter from 2020sh

Pringles,

What’s a boomer shooter?

EchoCT,

Think OG Doom. Like late 80s early 90s Doom. Boltgun is a good more modern example.

InFerNo,

Really good fun game

ArmokGoB, do games w Gameplay mechanics were also a lot better with more replayability.

Yes, there was no online play or updates, so they couldn’t steal back the game you paid for because they decided to stop supporting it one day.

Prethoryn, do games w Gameplay mechanics were also a lot better with more replayability.
@Prethoryn@lemmy.world avatar

I think there is something to respect about both types of games these days.

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