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LandedGentry, (edited ) do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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  • Zwrt,

    People call me a conspiracy theorist but the message that is woke has been purposely molded into something for conservatives to hate.

    Nothing threatens a “democratic” capitalist state more than social awareness, not even facism.

    CatDogL0ver, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

    Guess I will wait for Dale then. I didn’t even finish the last borderlands

    CatDogL0ver, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

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  • Kirca,

    Because just having two characters with the exact same lines is boring, Gerry has had 3 games now, I want to explore someone else as a character, with new motivations, character flaws etc

    IEatDaGoat,

    Let’s be honest, he’s only got 1 game. I tried going back to Witcher 1 and 2 after playing 3 and it’s impossible to adjust to the older game UI. Modding or tweaking it is also not worth it imo so I wouldn’t mind another Geralt game.

    mycelium_underground,
    @mycelium_underground@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t like 2 out of the the 3 geralt games, so I’m going to pretend two don’t exist too support my beliefs is some serious snowflake energy

    IEatDaGoat,

    Snowflake energy? Na man I’m just realistic. I have never met anyone who recommended Witcher 1/2 online or irl. It’s always about Witcher 3, and that’s because it’s still very playable and one of the best games ever.

    It’s the less extreme version of Baldur’s Gate 3. Technically, there are two other games, but you won’t seriously recommend games 1 and 2 to anyone.

    I know you understand my point, and it’s easier to say I’m a snowflake rather than actually say anything useful.

    NotASharkInAManSuit, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

    Damn. I honestly had no interest in Borderlands anymore, but this has inspired me to pirate Borderlands 4 just as a fuck you.

    Flemmy,

    Borderlands 3 was fun but like a final piece to this genre. Many guns, amusing storyline, corny humor and great world design.

    vordalack, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    I can’t play games anymore because of nonsense like this. I changed hobbies to writing Chinese poetry and watching ballet. The last Ballet I saw was Swan Lake in China. Absolutely beautiful.

    vxx,

    Swansea is too woke. It has a female lead role.

    echodot, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

    Here’s really important thing that the likes of randy don’t want to know. I would actually pay $80 for Baldur’s Gate 3, because that product is actually worth it. You can actually see where your money is going what it’s paying for.

    But Borderlands, really? I was already not interested in this game, but why would anyone pay $80 for, at best, an AA game?

    LunarLoony,
    @LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I’d sooner spend it on a “AA” game than an AAA game, frankly

    zqps,

    They’re really just milking what nostalgia still remains for a franchise that people have largely moved on from.

    They could instead try to boldly reinvent it to grab new customers, but I’m not seeing it.

    Auli, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    What does reading the books have to do with the game. The books take place before the game series. Or am I mistaken.

    UndercoverUlrikHD,
    @UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

    Yeah, Geralt and Yen “dies” and may or may not be saved by Ciri’s power at the end of the series. Ciri is the pivotal character in the story, Geralt is really just there trying to find her.

    Apeman42, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"
    @Apeman42@lemmy.world avatar

    Not gonna lie, I was hoping they’d use some Law of Surprise stuff to give Geralt a new ward and let you create your own Witcher. But, if instead I get to do teleport strike bullshit with Ciri’s powers, I’ll be content.

    Aux, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    Americans telling Polish how to write their books and make their games, lol. Fuck off!

    TriflingToad, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 dev calls Randy Pitchford's $80 Borderlands 4 comments "gross" because it implies the FPS is more important than "making it day to day"

    I bought borderlands 2 the other week and it’s been a blast on my SteamDeck. Unfortunately it seems it’s one of those games that loves to connect online all the time, like it’ll kick me out of single player if it detects wifi and make me reload into… singleplayer, but online. with 0 differences.

    I probably would’ve been better off pirating it tbh.

    theywilleatthestars, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    Everything should be woke actually. If you complain about wokeness I don’t think you deserve to enjoy things

    WhatsTheHoldup,

    Imo there are two types of “wokeness”.

    There is a diverse inclusive story by someone with an underrepresented experience who partially lived that story and has a unique perspective and ideas.

    And then there is a “diverse” story constructed by an all white male board of execitives who think “wokeness” is trendy.

    Movies like I Saw The TV Glow, Parasite, Sinners, etc are fantastic “woke” stories coming from the former group.

    The latter group comes up with stories like “Ghostbusters but all women” or “Oceans 11 but all women” which I think should rightly be criticized.

    theywilleatthestars,

    The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn’t have anything to do with having an all female cast, it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

    WhatsTheHoldup,

    The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn’t have anything to do with having an all female cast

    That’s what I just said.

    If women arent the ones greenlighting these movie, directing them, or even writing the script, how could they possibly be the problem?

    I listed a bunch of actually good “woke” media. They were made by a trans and black creators but if you want examples of women being funny look at Veep, the Good Place, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, etc.

    The problem as I pointed out is a predominately white male board member of business grads who feel having an all female cast is all they need to market a movie, so they can skip giving a shit about the product.

    it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

    Because Sony can’t make a movie to save their lives. Look at Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web, etc.

    There was a time in the early 00s/10s where society said “any representation is good representation”.

    Movies like Black Panther and Get Out were inherently going to do well because they catered to an audience demand that had been long underrepresented.

    Nowadays there are actually good movies in competition. We dont have to settle for bad representation. If you want a horror movie that’s an allegory for not transitioning you can watch it, if you want a vampire movie where the vampires are an allegory for racism and white exploitation that’s in theaters right now.

    Spotting background character 1 and 2’s gay kiss in Disney’s reboot of Buzz Lightyear feels a lot less exciting to me.

    When a bunch of white board members decide to make a movie “for women” and resurrect a dead IP and start forcing a script, that will be inherently more shallow than going to Amy Poehler and asking if she has an idea to pitch.

    This is why Marvel succeeded in giving Ryan Coogler a higher degree of creative control for Black Panther than Sony did for any of the female cast in Ghostbusters.

    While I’m enjoying diverse films like Sinners and I Saw the TV Glow, if you’re more interested in Disney’s live action remake of The Little Mermaid, or Disney’s live action remake of Snow White, go right ahead and watch it. I’m not saying you can’t.

    But the idea you have to “support it” is nothing but marketing. I don’t think you’re really supporting diverse stories, I think you’re supporting corporations who exploit diversity and intentionally rage bait the worst racists imaginable for free marketing instead of investing the areas that you point out would make the movie better.

    theywilleatthestars,

    Suppose we agree then

    boonhet, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    I’ve never read the books, but… It was clear from game 3 that she was going to play an important role in the future. The entire plot of the main campaign in Witcher 3 was about HER powers. The Wild Hunt wanted her, not Geralt.

    Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

    Honestly I’d rather be looking at a cute girl dashing around than an old man, even if I identify more with the latter. Video games are for exploring things. Fantasy worlds, dragons, wraiths… And the biggest problem with suspending disbelief is playing a character who isn’t the same gender as the player? lmao.

    Maybe I’m just not enough of a gamer. Only been two and a half decades or so since I first touched a computer and played games.

    el_abuelo,

    Tomb Raider. That’s all I’m gonna say.

    Tristus,

    Tomb Raider is not a woman protagonist game though, at least in the first game they wanted to have Indiana Jones but didn’t got the rights to it. So the developers replaced the assets with a female.

    In whole series there is not much that makes her a woman, more like an American gun-maniac guy that looks like a girl.

    swelter_spark,

    The first game didn’t have much in the way of story. The focus was on the puzzles and adventuring. I don’t think that makes her less of a woman character. In a video game, the assets are the only difference, anyway. Not that women can’t be rough and adventurous and physical and like guns.

    el_abuelo,

    The protagonist is a woman.

    faythofdragons,

    I’ve only played Witcher 3, and I thought it was obvious that it’s Ciri’s story being told from the perspective of the supporting cast, and that is an incredibly cool literary device.

    boonhet,

    Yeah. I haven’t played 1 much beyond the first 10 minutes, was too janky. 2 was mostly focused on the war, with Geralt being the most important character IMO. In 3 he was no longer THE most important character, but he was a close second - out of a large cast of supporting characters that aided them on the way.

    Trainguyrom,

    Honestly the longform books take a similar approach, telling several very important people’s stories from the perspective of how their stories intertwined with Geralt’s and later Ciri’s

    ipkpjersi,

    Plus also she’s awesome anyway. What the fuck is wrong with people? Oh I can’t enjoy my vibeo game with a wahmen as main character, it’ll ruin my mood!

    That’s what I don’t understand, like, have people not played the Horizon games? They’re awesome, they’re fun as hell.

    Glytch,

    The main bullshit complaint I’ve seen about the Horizon games boils down to “Aloy doesn’t make my peepee hard”. There are dudes out there who only want to see women they can goon to.

    ipkpjersi,

    Something tells me their “peepee” never worked to begin with tbh.

    CitizenKong,

    Also, Tomb Raider. One of the most well known videogame characters is literally an ass-kicking woman.

    ipkpjersi,

    Yep, I love the Tomb Raider games too, I still play Rise of the Tomb Raider sometimes, it’s such a great game.

    boonhet,

    have people not played the Horizon games? They’re awesome, they’re fun as hell.

    I have actually not. Thank you!

    Evotech,

    People like Geralt, they like his brooding attitude. Making. Game about ciri means they don’t get a game with Geralt. And they really want another game with him for some reason.

    Idk why they blame woke though

    Trainguyrom,

    Cranky brooding swordsman is kinda a one trick pony. It’s brilliant and hilarious to respond to everything no matter how threatening with just a grunt or dismissive comment, but after 3 major games, it’s time for something else

    Evotech,

    I agree

    Tristus,

    I didn’t played the game or read the books but I think if you are playing a game that is called Witcher and the Witcher himself is missing that is a big issue.

    Normally you would get a new game with a new title but big companies want to use the IP and think using a known title is always better than coming up with a new title.

    As I said I didn’t played Witcher 3 so dunno if it makes sense, but I wouldn’t be surprised if people are unhappy when their main character is missing in the game.

    zod000,

    I guess if they didn’t read the books, watch the show, or play the most popular and most recent game in the series, then it is fairly reasonable for them to be confused as they won’t know shit.

    dgbbad,

    Ciri is a Witcher. The Witcher isn’t missing at all.

    Demdaru,

    I slightly puffed out out the nose in amused manner lol. The Witcher. <_>

    It’s literally a job title in-universe. xD

    boonhet,

    Yeah so others already explained it to you, but I’ll give you a quick summary.

    Witcher is kind of a job title, but to get in you pretty much join a cult that gives you mutagens that give you cool powers, but also make you infertile and I believe resistant to STDs (this is why Geralt fucks so much).

    Ciri trained with the witchers of the Wolf school. I don’t remember if she went through the mutations or not, but she has elder blood so she’s already more powerful than Geralt. She’s part of an end of the world prophecy. She’s also essentially Geralt’s adoptive daughter.

    By the end of Witcher 3, Geralt is getting kind of tired. There’s literally no other Witcher in the universe more deserving to be the next lead than the spacetime manipulating princess who doesn’t even want to inherit her real father’s continent spanning empire because she’d rather be a badass Witcher.

    muusemuuse,

    I’m trying to remember the first game I played with a female lead and I think it was portal. And that woman didn’t speak. Strangely the next was transistor and she technically didn’t speak either.

    boonhet,

    Female protags are rare. They used to be epic loot, but it’s getting better now.

    I guess it’s Portal for me too. Then Oblivion with a female character with that golden armor from shivering isles for shiny boobs. I was a horny teen and porn was getting boring lol

    ynthrepic,
    @ynthrepic@lemmy.world avatar

    She is great in the books. One of the most unique characters in fiction imho. CDProjekt did really well adapting the continuation of her story in the games.

    NigelFrobisher, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    They should do a Last Of Us prequel with Joel, but he dies in that one too due to time travel shenanigans.

    dvlsg,
    @dvlsg@lemmy.world avatar

    Can we have a Joel from another universe be the one to kill him? Multiverses are so hot right now.

    madjo, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    The reactionary women-hating alt-right gamer-gate neo-nazi losers should just be ignored at this point.

    MorningThunder,

    To be fair, this post is the first I’ve heard of people upset about it

    TheObviousSolution,
    @TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee avatar

    The thing about them is that they are loud, directed, and often affect the first impression a game gets. If this wasn’t with The Witcher fame, the effect would be more notable, and oftentimes they don’t admit why they really have a problem with the game directly.

    Zink,

    and oftentimes they don’t admit why they really have a problem with the game directly

    I think in many cases they aren’t even admitting it to themselves. Self-delusion is kind of a recurring theme with them.

    Dasus,
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

    “at this point”

    You’ve paid attention to them at some point?

    courval, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

    Thanks, I find the winky a much better option than the cold monotonous /s

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