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KingThrillgore, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Gaslighting. That’s a new strategy and a new low.

dissentiate,

Gas lightning is one of the many disgusting tactics corporate lawyers build their careers on.

Zess,

Go and learn what gaslighting is so you don’t look so stupid next time you say it.

njm1314, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Ubisoft you can’t complain if I pirate your games, because I never actually bought them and you weren’t deceived by a lack of purchase.

cyberpunk007,

This is the correct response.

SpicyColdFartChamber, (edited )

Hijacking.

Are you European Union Citizen? Do you like games?

Do you want to own games again? and not just “License” them? Then please join the Stop destroying Videogames Initiative.

Initiative - citizens-initiative.europa.eu/…/000007_en

(Only sign if you are a EU citizen!)

It’s an initiative to get the European parliament to discuss the matter all together, and Iirc, it already has some members that support it. (So It’s not just any ordinary petition that will go nowhere.)

We have already collected 42% of the 1 million signatures from European citizens required. But the deadline is June 2025 and if we don’t get enough signatures by then, it won’t be looked at by the European commission. So to at least get the matter to be discussed, please sign!

(ONLY FOR European Union citizens! No one else! Please do not sign if you aren’t an EU citizen. Also No Brits! there’s another initiative for the UK.)

Short video explainer about the initiative - youtu.be/mkMe9MxxZiI

For more info visit www.stopkillinggames.com

You can also view the petitions for other countries - (Australia, Canada, UK, Brazil… and more)

Lost_My_Mind,

ONLY FOR European Union citizens! No Brits!

signs anyways…is American

SpicyColdFartChamber, (edited )

No, please don’t sign if you are American. That can harm the petition with false signatures.

This is strictly ONLY for European union citizens!

Don’t worry, you can still help by spreading the message among your EU friends or family members(You don’t have to be a gamer to care about this or vote in this!). A lot of the exposure to this initiative is lacking when it comes to non-english speaking EU citizens. You can help there.

huppakee,
@huppakee@lemm.ee avatar

reads a request… doesn’t care… is American 🇺🇸

inclementimmigrant, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Oooooooooh, fuck you Ubisoft.

dumbass, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

Hey Ubisoft, you can’t complain when I pirate your stupid games, because there’s nothing to own apparently.

Aatube, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
toiletobserver, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Take them to small claims for theft. I’ll bet they don’t show up. Then they won’t pay you, so you get a court order and sheriff to recoup your money in assets. Take anything you want and put it on eBay. Collect your money.

Embargo, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

I have the fucking disc to prove I do own it, you arseholes.

Stovetop,

Sadly, the legal interpretation of copyright says you own the plastic, but not the data it contains. It sucks but it’s not just Ubisoft.

Embargo,

Well… I can’t say I’ll feel for them when they inevitably complain about myself and many others cracking their games.

catloaf, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Literally just let people host private servers. It worked fine for decades, and still does.

imrighthere,

The HalfLife model worked exceedingly well, until gaben fucked it all up.

huppakee,
@huppakee@lemm.ee avatar

But then they don’t get money, and they really like getting money.

uis,

Wait until some blizzard empoyee comes out and tells how it is expensive for publisher to not pay for hosting.

base, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

The best part is they havent made a compelling game in 10 years. So i wont buy a game of them ever again either way. Its an easy life tbh.

ElectroVagrant, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Ubisoft cannot complain when gamers “pirate” their games then.

If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t theft and all that.

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Goddammit… get the quote right:

If buying ain’t owning, piracy ain’t stealing.

Beacon,

Whose exact quote do you think you're quoting? Every time i hear this phrase it's always said the way OP said it, never the way you said it. Also please try to talk to people in a less pissy way

RightHandOfIkaros,

Piracy was never stealing, in so far as legality is concerned in the USA, at least.

Stealing requires the owner of the stolen thing to be deprived access of that thing. If someone steals your car, you cannot access it anymore, since it was removed from you by the thief.

Piracy copies your car, meaning you still can access your car but someone else can drive a copy of your car. The first example is a major inconvenience to you, the second example has absolutely no negative effect on you.

It is why instances of piracy that make it to a court of law are tried as Copyright Infringement cases, and not theft or piracy cases. When your ISP spies on you and sends you a letter after you pirate something in an insecure manner, you get sent a Notice of Copyright Infringement, not a Notice of Theft.

AtariDump,
Viking_Hippie,

In fact, I downloaded a Rimac Nevera just yesterday.

For Cyberpunk 2077, but still. Would, could, did.

state_electrician,

Exactly. It also means you’re being sued by the copyright holder and not the state. You won’t go to prison for this shit, as opposed to actual theft.

Owlboi,

Not only is that not a quote, but its not even right. Piracy was never stealing, its copyright infringement.

Fingolfinz,

Thanks for the clarification, it really drastically changes the meaning when said like this versus op…

Reality_Suit, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

They could always release the source code.

mp3, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

If buying isn’t owning, surely that means pirating isn’t stealing.

MudMan, (edited ) do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

I've been increasingly frustrated with clickbaity coverage and headlines. Credit to Polygon for being just as obviously opinionated as Gamesradar but titling and writing their piece way more professionally.

I mean, yeah, Ubisoft's lawyers are arguing that the arguments of a lawsuit against them are wrong, that's hardly surprising. Given that they're being sued for taking down an online game they would certainly argue that they had no obligation to keep the game online indefinitely.

It's an interesting case and there are... creative arguments on both sides, but being mad that Ubisoft would argue that the text of their EULA applies seems so weird.

For the record, and because I'll be hounded for this, I've signed all relevant petitions to request regulation about digital ownership that creates an obligation to provide offline versions or access to server code. I'm all for making it illegal to build planned obsolescence into software. That doesn't mean I'm not bothered with bad journalism that I happen to agree with.

TachyonTele,

Hounded? Seriously? Lol

MudMan,

Be honest, you were ready to do some hounding, saw that tackled preemptively and decided to pivot. I can see the hounding intent from here. Those ears are so droopy you're becoming a better boy as we speak.

TachyonTele,

Are you a crazy person?

MudMan,

Not gonna lie, that one led to some introspection and I thank you for the opportunity.

TachyonTele,

Enjoy the rest of your week!

JakobFel, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@JakobFel@retrolemmy.com avatar

And this is exactly why Ubisoft is dying. Good riddance.

ms_lane,

Yep, couldn’t happen to a nicer publisher :)

Eat shit Guillemot.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

“Nobody reads those EULAs, and the Defendant knows that. Therefore, the Defendant cannot hide behind the EULA as a shield because the Prosecution, having clicked Agree without being required to confirm that they read through the terms, could not have possibly known what they were agreeing to.”

“If you are what you agree to, your Honor, then my clients are an unknown spaghetti of legal mumbo jumbo.”

“No further remarks, your Honor.”

p03locke,
@p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I would relish a lawsuit against EULAs where the defendant somehow sends the prosecutor a EULA in a software package that declares that they automatically lose the lawsuit by clicking Agree.

It would really hammer in the point that fucking NOBODY reads this shit.

ogmios,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think someone calculated the time it would take to read every single one you’re expected to agree with in normal every day life, and it worked out to needing 76 work days to read everything you “agree” to in a typical year.

RightHandOfIkaros,

There was a video game store that once, for April Fools Day, included in its sale terms:

By placing an order via this Web site on the first day of the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a non transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul. Should We wish to exercise this option, you agree to surrender your immortal soul, and any claim you may have on it, within 5 (five) working days of receiving written notification from gamesation.co.uk or one of its duly authorized minions.

Only 12% of people that purchased that day responded, essentially confirming only 12% of people actually read the terms.

AmbientChaos,

12% is honestly way higher than I thought it would be. That number might be inflated by people looking for funny stuff on April 1st though

RightHandOfIkaros,

I think one could successfully argue in a court of law that people tend to be hyper aware on April 1st, and so may have read the terms suspecting something amiss when they otherwise would not have.

NewDayRocks,

We are not accounting for the percentage of people who read it but are still cool with forfeiting their soul.

Zess,

The judge would tell you you’re an idiot who said nothing worthwhile and that ignorance of the things you agree to doesn’t make them void when they’re used against you.

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