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rtxn, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 Karlach actor hits out at RPG devs trying to recruit them for their Disco Elysium successors: "Miss me with that casting call"

Kurvitz and Aleksander Rostov (the lead artist) formed their own company Red Info in 2023. I will only recognise a game as Disco Elysium’s successor if it comes from them.

MissGutsy,

This might be a controversial opinion, but please hear me out: this guy is absolutely overhyped.

I saw the entire ZA/UM situation from the outside without having ever played Disco Elysium before, so I don’t have any stake or bias in what happened. In my personal opinion there are 2 important notes: Yes, Kurvitz is responsible for the creation of one of the best games of all time. He also is a massive asshole who abuses his workers. Both of these can be true and don’t contradict each other.

I can really recommend the Documentation by People Make Games about it, I think they made great and very neutral reporting on it, getting everybody’s side of the story. But one think becomes increasingly clear throughout the video: the original creator is a huge egomaniac.

I came to dislike him the more I heard him talk. He spouts how he comes from this underground punk scene, but also betrays every value that he should hold. He doesn’t think his workers are important and that they should just endure his wrath at all times. He doesn’t see how multiple people can be of importance to a project besides him of course. As soon as the money came in he threw every value he said he’d hold aside to become a huge capitalist, even going so far as making his own shell company that preemptively held the rights to a sequel just so he can profit from it more.

This entire situation is his fault. A “punk” ignores all his anticapitalist values, gives all his intellectual property to a capitalist, capitalism ensues and he becomes bitter because he didn’t get a greater slice of the pie.

Let me be clear: I think a sequel should involve him. But I also believe he shouldn’t be in a lead game designer position, more of a “lead story designer/writer”. He has shown to not be all to competent in that and he WILL abuse his workers again. Somebody needs to be above him to manage his insanity.

Nothing against you, but I think endlessly hyping him up won’t lead to that or even a good outcome. He will squander everything that he will be given. He is not a good person, he is a “Rockstar Developer” and I mean that as an insult.

rtxn,

Shitty people are abundant in the creative industries, I have no delusions about that. Probably even more of those that have no public presence. But that has no bearing on whether or not he should retain sole ownership of his work. It’s an entirely separate issue. Andrzej Sapkowski is also a massive douchebag, but nobody would deny that The Witcher is his property.

MissGutsy,

I totally agree. Problem is just that he legally sold it, so he kinda fucked himself on that. It’s also interesting to see how nobody in that situation seemed to have good intentions, just a bunch of assholes all around

rtxn,

I’m not convinced that is the case. The studio was purchased by a holdings company, then its CEO bought four early sketches of DE from the studio for pocket change. When Kurvitz, Rostov, and Hindpere (writer) objected, they were demoted and later fired. Unless another exchange took place, I don’t see how this would amount to Kurvitz selling his rights; at the very least, he still owns Sacred And Terrible Air (with DE itself naturally belonging to the studio).

prole,

he legally sold it

I think it’s a bit less cut and dry than that…

Magnus,
@Magnus@lemmy.ml avatar

There are also some pretty chill creative people who don’t care about the money and the fame much. Even though having money is nice and makes your life much easier.

RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

People already got invited? I guess that means I wasn’t invited. Would have been nice to at least get an email telling me I was not picked. Like when you go in for an interview and they tell you they will call you but never do. Like, just tell me I am not getting hired lol.

HubertManne, do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

lol. I only recently finished the maine game. Im good for a few years.

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited ) do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

That sounds idiotic and likely staged to increase the actual “accepted” price.

And this is especially funny since I am sitting here wondering if I need to get PS+ to use mine in a week or three? And now realizing I care about Avowed a LOT more than a sunbro run.

RageAgainstTheRich, do games w Elden Ring Nightreign beta invites are apparently so in demand, scalpers are already trying to resell them for hundreds of dollars

People have zero fucking patience… falling over each other to get to test some unfinished beta…

Zahille7,

The fanboys are the worst thing about FromSoft games

Xed, do gaming w Bloodborne still seems a long way from getting an official 60fps port, but fans have finally gotten PS4 emulators to deliver the remaster they’ve wanted for years

This is a nice update

Kaeru, do gaming w Original Final Fantasy programmer reappears after years of silence, casually says writing his legendary code "was pretty simple" and it could even be better

Documentary about FF origins? Are there English subs? If so I need a name desperately fellas!

shyguyblue, do gaming w Original Final Fantasy programmer reappears after years of silence, casually says writing his legendary code "was pretty simple" and it could even be better

Imagine, a time when a full game studio was a dozen guys/gals in a cramped windowless room. Wish we could go back…

MrScottyTay,

Those cramped windowless rooms are open offices. They didn’t have cubicles in them rooms.

RizzRustbolt,

There’s a difference between an Open Office, and a Pit.

shyguyblue,

Yup. I can sit next to a fellow programmer for hours in a pit, but you put me next to some Account Service jackass who’s on the phone all day and I’ll snap!

cm0002,
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It’s still a thing,

That_Devil_Girl, do games w Hideo Kojima seems to be testing Death Stranding 2, but it's not going well: "I fell asleep twice while on a delivery and ran the vehicle into a cliff"
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Is this game… fun? Everything I’ve seen and heard about it doesn’t seem fun at all.

narc0tic_bird, do games w Hideo Kojima seems to be testing Death Stranding 2, but it's not going well: "I fell asleep twice while on a delivery and ran the vehicle into a cliff"

I actually fell asleep playing the original, so…

(not hating on the game, it literally happened though)

simple, do games w Hideo Kojima seems to be testing Death Stranding 2, but it's not going well: "I fell asleep twice while on a delivery and ran the vehicle into a cliff"

This has to be the dumbest clickbait I’ve seen in a while.

It’s literally based off a tweet where Kojima said he fell asleep twice trying to test because he hasn’t slept well. This says nothing about the game itself or “testing not going well”.

L0rdMathias,

And these people demand that we take their job seriously while at the same time writing what is essentially just bad fanfiction about popular game developers/studios.

gcheliotis,

Ah and for a moment there I thought it would have been so cool if a developer were to publicly admit they fell asleep during gameplay…

newthrowaway20,

At the same time, this could be your typical Kojima fuckery where he makes it seem like he’s talking about himself, but he’s actually talking about an exhaustion mechanic from Death Stranding.

ms_lane,

He’s ok.

Don_alForno, do games w Obsidian's new first-person RPG Avowed channels Baldur's Gate 3 in one key way: "The core of RPGs that makes them special is missable content"

The core of. ©RPGs that makes them special is the feeling that you decide what’s going to happen or at least that your choices have an effect on the world. That’s the core appeal of TTRPGs and it doesn’t change for video games.

LovingHippieCat, do games w Obsidian's new first-person RPG Avowed channels Baldur's Gate 3 in one key way: "The core of RPGs that makes them special is missable content"

Breaking News: RPG does what all RPGs do but we will compare it to only what one well know RPG does instead of simply saying it’s an RPG that does RPG things.

They could have said any other recent RPG game and it would have applied. Using Baldurs Gate 3 is probably just because Avowed is in the Pillars of Eternity world which was another isometric game, but still it’s just an RPG. It could just be channeling Pillars of Eternity instead of Baldurs Gate 3. Why do we have to use Baldurs Gate 3 for every comparison out there?

MarcomachtKuchen,

Because people like the game and like reading about it.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

BG3 is a great example simply because there is so much content you can miss. I’ve put 1300+ hours into it and I still see things I haven’t seen in any prior playthrough. Granted they aren’t large story things or quests anymore but still, even the little stuff adds up.

fushuan,

So, like skyrim, or oblivion, or pillars of eternity 1 and 2… BG3 is used because it’s famous.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve played those and BG3 has much more content. Especially missable content that depends on the choices you make.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

There’s at least an order of magnitude difference between how many people have played one versus the other.

Kolanaki,
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Personally, I find it frustrating to see the buzz Baldur’s Gate 3 gets because I remember a time when games like BG3 weren’t a rare sight. I mean, shit, BG3 is just a logical evolution from BG1 and 2. It’s got modern graphics, modern UI, modern controls… Same basic gameplay, same kind of choice that can lead to many replays because there are so many ways to do any given quest, etc.

It isn’t that BG3 isn’t deserving of praise; it definitely is. But the fact it is like a breath of fresh air shows just how awful the industry itself is. They didn’t do anything that hadn’t been done before, and instead went back to old-school roots and fucking dominated the scene by simply not making their game watered down garbage with a lack of agency.

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

That’s the thing though - bg3 isn’t praised because it’s good relative to the state of the industry. It’s a game that did everything right, not just comparatively but in general

grrgyle,

I hadn’t really thought of it that way, but you’re right. I think it happened around the time every action genre starting introducing “RPG éléments” to the point that they became de rigueur.

It was only natural that RPGs themselves would borrow back from the action genres that were borrowing from them.

Anyway yeah, it’s nice to see a big RPG bring just an RPG.

theunknownmuncher,

So what you’re saying is that it’s a valid comparison?

icecreamtaco,
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

Man you sound really bitter over nothing

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Of all the callow villainry, I wish a comparison to Baldur’s Gate 3 was the worst I’ve heard. I have seen such articles talk about Avowed in terms of Skyrim, which was released closer to Banjo Kazooie than Avowed. No irrelevant remark is beyond them, no matter how patently inane.

edgemaster72, do gaming w The Simpsons: Hit & Run dev says they could've made 3 sequels without paying a penny for the license: "Some crazy person at the publisher - we never found out who - said no"
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Technoguyfication, do gaming w The Simpsons: Hit & Run dev says they could've made 3 sequels without paying a penny for the license: "Some crazy person at the publisher - we never found out who - said no"

Ah yes, Vivendi games. The same publisher that tried to put Valve out of business for having the audacity to want money for Counter-Strike. I’m shocked.

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