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Fingolfinz, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

This is why I just pirate games from big developers. They’re fuckers so fuck them anyway.

RFBurns, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

The use of the words ‘buy’, “own” or ‘purchase’ in connection with DRM rental should be an international felony, and grounds for immediate break-up of businesses that use them.

Phegan, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing.

aeternum,

I like the cut of your jib.

Blindsite,

The problem is it’s getting harder and harder to pirate games, especially games that are entirely online.

arc,

When you “buy” software, you’re buying a license that grants you permission to use it subject to the terms & conditions. The stealing as the law would see it is from using software without purchasing a license or using it in violation of the license.

It even extends to digital content people “buy” on Steam, or Google Play, or Amazon including books, music, and videos. You didn’t buy that content, even if you think you did. You bought a license to it which is why occasionally Amazon or whoever will just scrub the content from your account without your consent. That’s also why in some countries you pay VAT on e-books even though you don’t pay VAT on real books - because you actually bought a software license which is liable to VAT.

So the best advice is don’t buy digital media from online services. For games and software it is unavoidable but recognize you don’t legally own squat although most console games on disc or cartridge can still be sold second hand. But even that is being eroded. Nintendo apparently are planning to sell “physical” games in stores but you open it up and there is a redemption code inside. Sony and Microsoft have both tried to get away from physical media too.

ipkpjersi, (edited ) do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Technically they’re right, which is why pirating Ubisoft games is ethical.

Edit: Pirating Nintendo games is ethical too, of course.

And009,

There you go, offline mode ftw

sp3ctr4l, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Looks like I’ll be pirating Black Flag for my next replay.

Puzzlehead, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@Puzzlehead@reddthat.com avatar

If you have to buy it, you own it. Make it free to play but have in game purchases. Everyone knows free games can shut down any time. I play lot of mobile apps until I get tired of playing it, then delete.

I avoid buying games that requires online connection. It means the game is unplayable without it.

It’s sickening what companies can get away with just because it’s legal. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

Contemporarium,

Get balatro you’ll never get bored :)

funkless_eck,

I’ve beaten most of the Gold Stakes and all of the challenges, its not a forever game. But it is fun.

satans_methpipe,

Gambling isn’t the answer.

ohshit604,
@ohshit604@sh.itjust.works avatar

And lying isn’t the answer either.

Korhaka,

Seem a few comments recently that seem to think cards = gambling. Balatro doesn’t even use a vaguely standard deck of cards though.

Not that it would matter if it did. But would freecell be considered gambling?

rumba,

Balatro isn’t gambling so win:win

Tattorack,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

I’m tired of all the pixel art indie card games.

Blazingtransfem98,
@Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online avatar

There are better games to play if gambling is your thing.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’ve enjoyed the hell out of Buckshot Roulette. It’s about playing Russian Roulette. With a pump action shotgun. There’s power-ups!

Contemporarium,

….what? If gambling was my thing I’d be gambling.

Goretantath, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Definitely deceived into thinking you are purchasing a game though.

kevin2107,

servers ain’t free. I know ubisofts are a bunch of pricks but if you run servers indefinitely without generating income you’ll eventually run out of money.

Sauerkraut,

Sure, but in that case they need to make the server code open source so game owners can run their own servers.

Or they need to include a lan / offline mode

omarfw,

Not every game is an MMO requiring vast server farms. A game like the crew 1 that is past it’s prime is not expensive to keep a few servers running for. It’s a negligible cost.

They could also put in the time to give players the tools to host their own servers, or simply allow offline play. This used to be standard for all PC games. They chose to do neither of these things in an obvious effort to force players towards the sequel or their other games. They should not be permitted to do anti-consumer things like this.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Even MMOs have been run by amateurs. If you make the servers available, someone will figure out how to run it.

kevin2107,

yes scaling past a couple hundred users becomes an engineering nightmare

Korhaka,

Depends on the game for what point scaling further gets difficult. I think Factorio can do near infinite with the clusterio mod and from a server host perspective it’s very easy to setup. You just need enough servers, the mod allows cross server interaction.

TheGreenWizard,

Good point, thats why we should be able to run servers ourselves after the game dies

kevin2107,

that’s a good point too. however it’s very possible they’re using proprietary code that’s used in other IP. Especially the core game engine, which you’d have to open source too.

CrackedLinuxISO,

The server code could also be released as a binary blob under a proprietary license. No different from distributing any other piece of software.

kevin2107,

It could be but it wouldn’t take long before it’s replicated in a way thats not propriety or just stolen by devs in countries where that means nothing.

They are a giant shitty conglomerate they will find 10,000 reasons

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

Uhoh, the widdle baby corporation can’t handle hosting their game!

They should be forced to give people the tools they need to host.

alehel,

I agree with this, however, I also don’t think they should be allowed to call it purchasing. If you don’t own something, then you didn’t purchase it. The button for games like these should be “long-term rental” or something to that effect.

ITGuyLevi,

I’m okay with servers being shut down eventually, my issue is we don’t know when. If they want to call it a license and that it will be revoked later, well fucking plan it out and tell people. Did the game get cheaper as the clock ran down? Did the people buying 10 years of access pay more than people that only got to play it once? I’m pissed for the people like me that sometimes take a few years to get to playing their games only to find the servers are gone and they thought they were buying something (or at least licensing something) they would get to use.

Of course they would probably find that if they told people how long they could use it, a lot of people wouldn’t pay them for it (i.e. their business would fail without intentionally deceiving their customers).

the_trash_man, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

🏴‍☠️

samus12345,

It becomes more and more ethical as everything becomes more and more enshittified.

Lemminary,

Whaaat? You can’t just 🏴‍☠️ without a 🦜. Were you raised by wolves?? Smdh

LordWiggle, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

Although ubisoft is a shit company, don’t think it’s the only one. Every game you bought on Steam, Origin and Epic aren’t your property either. You just bought the right to play their game for as long as they allow you to.

If you truly want to own your products, buy on GoG (you will get the offline installer as a download) or pirate. Because when you pirate, you have more rights and benifits than a paying customer.

Companies don’t even care anymore, it’s just a money grab with the newest bug simulator. As soon as the first purchase bubble ended, the project is abandoned and people are stuck with a piece of junk they do not even own.

In the exceptional case a dev truly delivers, like indie studios or Larian studio, the game dev world goes mental as it shows how corrupt and fucked up they are.

Support the few proper devs, pirate the rest. I pirate everything these days and when the game is good I’ll buy it.

Joeffect,

If steam ever goes away pirating will increase by at least 1000%…

LordWiggle, (edited )
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

I have over 500 games on steam. If the platform dies, that would be a major loss for me.

Honestly, platforms like steam and Netflix made me stop pirating. But with the increasing amount of streaming services, with increasing prices and more and more limitations and loss of rights, loads money grab junk content, I dusted off me old pirate hat. I am a paying usenet user, I automated all my movie and TV show downloads, I pirate games first and only buy them when they are worth it. I use Grayjay to view YouTube, because it has more freedom than a premium user.

I’m happy to pay for stuff which is good, I refuse to pay for junk, limitations and loss of my rights.

interdimensionalmeme,

If steam goes down my only fun in life will be making a virus that makes multi cellular life impossible

UltraGiGaGigantic,
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar

You don’t own the games on GoG either. You just get to keep a installer in case you lose your license.

LordWiggle,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

Which is like a physical copy of the game. But if the game is only online and the servers go down, you own an installer of a non-functioning game.

ILikeBoobies, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

They’re right but it would be great if companies had to allow self hosting for products they make money from

Weirdfish,

That’s my argument, release the server code and the fans can host them.

Take your servers down, move on to your new games, but give us the tools to enjoy what we bought. It costs them nothing.

GhostedIC, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Go Ross Go!

Killer_Tree,
supersquirrel, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Fuck Ubisoft.

If you want a good open world racing game, well Motor Town: Behind The Wheel isn’t strictly a racing game… nor technically even focused on being a racing game, it is an open world driving job simulator and there are lots of sports cars and you can do lots of jobs where you are racing against a clock.

There is also multiplayer and a custom race system (as well as actual race tracks interspersed in the world).

The reason I really recommend it though is the driving feels better then just about any other game I have ever played, especially tire grip modelling. I don’t know how to describe it other than it makes me uninterested in driving cars in most other games lol.

…steampowered.com/…/Motor_Town_Behind_The_Wheel/

LordWiggle,
@LordWiggle@lemmy.world avatar

Anything you buy on Steam is also not owned by you, you only buy the rights to play their game for as long as they allow you to. Just like with Ubisoft.

supersquirrel,

That is exactly why I also buy things on Good Old Games and also play open source games like Beyond All Reason, Xonotic, Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead, Luanti and other games like Vintage Story that I can purchase from itch or directly from the developer and install directly on my computer as well!

bitjunkie, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

I never actually “paid” them, so they “cannot complain” when I take my money back

CalipherJones, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Good reminder to never buy an Ubisoft game.

SaharaMaleikuhm,

Their games have sucked for a long time anyways

PancakeTrebuchet, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Things like this make it really easy for me to not buy anything from Ubisoft.

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