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SK4nda1, do gaming w Indie publisher Versus Evil has shut down

Wtf. Was this just an IP takeover?

Potatos_are_not_friends, do games w Replacing the term "Metroidvania"

The previous section hints at something pretty important, but maybe non-obvious: I assert that MetroidVania is not a genre, it’s a framework - a way of structuring games and most specifically the worlds they take place in.

And

This realization that ‘MetroidVania’ is not a genre helps explain why a game like Batman: Arkham Asylum can be thought of as a MetroidVania where its sequels wouldn’t be, even though almost all aspects of the gameplay are very similar.

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Never thought about that second quote like that before, but it explains why I loved Asylum and noped out of City after like, an hour or two

brsrklf, (edited )

Really not convinced that you can’t call something a genre because it wouldn’t describe different games in a series.

I’d argue the Wario Land series has mostly changed genres between 1 and 2. First one is a straight platformer that’s basically Super Mario Bros with different abilities, following games are exploration puzzle game things that have a platforming element, but in which platforming is not the main point IMO.

Resident Evil really forgot it was survival horror for a while.

Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom are almost nothing like the classic Zelda formula. Free-form puzzle solving, free-er movement, almost zero dungeon structures, consumable weapons…

Those are significant, because when it happens it’s very likely some people would be more invested in either the old or new games, which incidentally explains why it doesn’t happen that much in established series.

I know I was initially very disappointed with new Wario, because all I wanted back then was more Mario-style platforming and the intentionally frustrating design of Wario Land 2-3-4 wasn’t for me.

Klanky,
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

Your example about BoTW is really good. I never played the earlier Zelda games and had near-zero interest in them. Then a friend let me borrow their BoTW cart and I absolutely fell in love with it. Still no interest in playing the earlier ones though.

brsrklf,

I happen to like both, but they’re very different. Like a lot of fans of the rest of the series, while playing BotW I missed the classic dungeon experience. A whole divine beast and a dozen shrines stitched together would be maybe like one dungeon in the main series, and it’d have a new item, it would rely on it a lot with clever riddles and it’d have a unique boss, not just another flavour of Ganon.

Of course, a classic Zelda game is also a lot more linear in structure, with a world you can only explore bit by bit, and in a set order (mostly, there is a couple of exceptions).

stormesp,

The worse take i have read in a while, you can say the same about anything, fps, tps, rpg and even visual novels or action adventure, they are more frameworks than genres by their definition, even racing or sports games.

eskimofry, do games w Replacing the term "Metroidvania"

Why the downvotes?

zero_spelled_with_an_ecks,

Gives off “Umm, actually” vibes. Metroidvania is a useful term.

eskimofry,

I kind of liked their take. The arkham games example was convincing.

Even if people don’t agree, I feel It’s just their opinion and downvoting is a bit harsh.

Eh IDK if it’s just my mood… but i am feeling generous.

morphballganon,

Moronic ideas deserve them. What do you think downvotes are for?

eskimofry,

For toxic ideas? Good ideas can’t come about if you punish the “moronic” ideas too harshly.

slimerancher, do games w Replacing the term "Metroidvania"
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

If we accept this, then RPG is also not a genre.

BudgieMania, do games w Replacing the term "Metroidvania"

...what

Reading through it, his suggestion seems rooted on the idea that Metroidvania carries implications in terms of setting, perspective or combat, which is a complete fabrication of his mind not grounded in reality. It's 2024, the people that would know and care about the Metroidvania tag know very well what that tag implies; your "revelation" that Arkham Asylum is also a Metroidvania has been commonplace in discussions for a decade.

This addresses a confusion and an issue that don't exist, and the tag is so standard at this point that changing it would not catch on and would create way more problems than it would fix.

amio, do games w Replacing the term "Metroidvania"

So not only does he want to replace a perfectly cromulent word that everyone uses and whose meaning most people agree on...

... his suggested replacement is "Unlocking World". Yes, I sure do love that Unlocking World genre...

Klanky, do games w Replacing the term "Metroidvania"
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

I’ve never understood the term Metroidvania, and at this point, I’m afraid to ask.

BudgieMania,

You are walking and see a very high place, that you can't reach with your basic jump, so you decide to continue on your way.
Eventually, you get the power of flight. Your mind goes back to that high place, "oh shit, now I can get there and see what's in that place!".
Multiply that several times, with several paths, with different powers/gadgets/abilities/whatever, and that's Metroidvania.

The nature of the obstacles and the tools that unlock those obstacles doesn't matter, if the world is structured around blocked paths and tools that unlock them in non-linear ways, that's Metroidvania or at least Metroidvania-adjacent.

darth_helmet, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff

Literally the only property of Eidos that I care about, and it was bad enough that the studio wasted so much time on that garbage avengers game rather than finish the deus ex story they left hanging.

KingThrillgore, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I was hoping this would see the light of day but alas. Embracer is doomed.

newthrowaway20, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff

Oh that’s a real shame, the Deus Ex games were a lot of fun.

TheEntity,
halendos,

Jesus Christ, Denton!

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

What a shame.

He was a good game.

LucasWaffyWaf,

lip smack

What a rotten way to die.

dinckelman, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff

Companies like Embracer are a disease. Their leadership are taking any passion out of the art, and continue running the money printing machine with no oil between the gears

SharkAttak,
@SharkAttak@kbin.social avatar

Would be a real shame if someone boycotted every game they put their greedy claws on..

MelastSB,

Well if they just close studios and cancel games, there’s not much to boycott lol

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

At the rate they’re closing their studios and cancelling games, I don’t think there’s gonna be much left.

I don’t know what other games they had planned. So far they still have the studios that make tomb raider and borderlands.

Viking_Hippie, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff

First time I ever heard about Embracer and I hate them already 🤬

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

You’ve heard of them before. They used to be called THQ Nordic.

Skelectus,
@Skelectus@suppo.fi avatar

Well, they’ve been doing this a lot. They have bought a massive amount of game studios over the years just to run out of money and close them.

yamanii, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Welp, it sucked at square, and it got even worse now, Eidos can’t catch a break.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

They need to go solo and crowd fund that shit

Eezyville,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

I love Deus Ex. I’ll contribute.

yamanii,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I highly doubt we can conjure up 70 million for them.

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I’ll take some small indie game over none at all

garretble, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

It seems like the only time you hear about Embracer is when they are cancelling games or closing studios.

What even is their purpose?

edgemaster72,
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Step 1. Amalgamate as many smaller studios as possible

Step 2. Probably some BS about tax writeoffs or packaging debt for sale

Step 3. Profit? (but not enough to pay anyone outside the C suite and maybe investors)

Xanvial,

They supposedly should have an investment deal with a Saudi backed company. But failed last year theverge.com/…/embracer-group-saudi-government-lo…

So they need a lot of cash now

altima_neo,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

They’re the holding company that used to be “thq”

Kind of like how Alphabet is to Google, or Meta is to Facebook and Instagram.

cultsuperstar,

Canceling games and closing studios.

magic_lobster_party,

Not so fast! Sometimes they also announce the return of old franchises, just to be shut down shortly after.

Like Timesplitters 4.

dumpsterlid,

There is a precise technical answer to your question a finance person can probably give you but it doesn’t really answer the question no matter how many acronyms they throw at you.

The actual answer is that there is no reason any of this has to be rational. Business people believe so strongly that companies like embracer are valuable and have a function in society that they detect zero cognitive dissonance when said companies don’t actually do anything but buy smaller companies, dissect them and destroy value.

You can’t understand business and finance people like they are scientists, they are closer to priests of a religious sect that believe in things because of their belief system not because of some rational framework that actually supports their ideas.

I think for the rich, it is just “good practice” to commit economic violence against smaller companies, it is good hygiene for keeping the power in the hands of the rich like mowing a field once a year or something. This doesn’t fully explain how poorly some of these companies function like embracer however.

nodimetotie, do games w Report: Embracer cancels Eidos' unannounced Deus Ex project, lays off staff

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