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PunchingWood, do games w question(s) about etiquette in MMORPGs

I’ve played WoW basically since it ever came out like 19/20 years ago, just after Guild Wars 1 and among many other MMOs for shorter times. And communication in MMORPGs has definitely been a lot better back in the days, or at least felt more engaged than it does now. Now it’s often been difficult to get people to talk, even after like a good dungeon run people will often just leave without having said an entire word the entire dungeon. It’s not as chatty as it used to be back in the days, and a lot of people are the toxic type that only respond when something goes wrong.

I think your best bet would be to join guilds in these games. I used to be in great guilds as well, where everyone could talk to each other in guild chat, but it kinda devolved into an alternative looking-for-group chat over the years since most guilds just invite anyone to get the guild bonusses and have easier access to people wanting to do raids and dungeons and stuff.

Guilds often don’t feel like the band of friends they used to be, and more like a collection of people doing the same type of content. It’s like most players just treat MMO games like a second job, they log in, do their chores, and log off again. But you can get lucky and run into a great guild that’s more casual, it heavily depends on the game and servers though.

In the past years I found that local chat is mostly used by roleplayers, WoW has a few servers where a lot of roleplayers flock to, and it really helped make the world feel alive as well. As for everyday non-RP chat, it just feels like most MMO games turned into a singleplayer game where you run around doing your own thing, with a lot of other people that are also playing their own game.

I do think that free-to-play games are worse when it comes to communication though, since anyone can hop in, and it often attracts the most toxic entitled people. The paywall with games like World of Warcraft and Final Fantasy Online definitely help filter out the majority of them though.

On a side note, I often play shooters as well. And I really hated voice chat in basically all of them, since most of them were just kids screaming vile things about mothers and what not, so I just ended up turning it off. Eventually I started playing Squad, which is a more serious Battlefield type of game with voice chat that attracts a more mature audience. At first I was a bit hesitant to use voice chat at all, but now I absolutely love talking with random players and couldn’t imagine the game without voice chat, most fun I’ve had with complete strangers in any game.

Sometimes it’s just a step to get over, and it gets easier. It’s worth giving it a shot in the games you play, but I would say it’s more likely to have a better experience outside of free-to-play games since there’s a lower chance of running into toxic players ruining the vibe.

randomcruft,
@randomcruft@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

MMO games turned into a singleplayer game sort of the vibe i get now but, your other advice makes sense. again, i think the guild thing is interesting but, didn’t want it to turn into a job. the free vs. played is an interesting comment. as i progress, i’ll see how that turns out.

the thing with voice chat, TBH, is i’m not sure if i’m hearing people or if it’s “in game stuff”. in TFD the other night i hear “i need help” but i had no way of knowing if it was a person saying it or some in game thing. i’ll have to pay more attention to that.

appreciate your perspective as a long time MMORGP player, this was helpful.

tyler, do games w How do I download anything from Nexus Mods?

Calling nexus mods shady is hilarious.

HubertManne, do games w question(s) about etiquette in MMORPGs

im not social but once I got my chats under control I would joke and clown around on them. Well as well as give advice or do actualy game related talk. To me its sorta like a party and I was more likely to engage socially when I was just hanging for one reason or another and more likely to talk business when the action took place. Like champions had these whole zone super enemies called cosmics that popped every four hours and if you came last minute you would likely get locked out of the full zone and they were impossible to beat below a certain threshold of players. so like you would hang out ten or twenty minutes before and screw around. talk and emotes and whatnot.

randomcruft,
@randomcruft@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

when you say got my chats under control does that mean the different types: party vs. world. vs whispers, etc.? that is an area that’s still a little confusing. plus i need to get better at using a controller to chat. thanks for the comments around not being a last minute type player for big events, i’ll keep that in mind.

when i see others doing missions (especially in TFD), i usualy get right in an start helping, even if i did the mission already. i figure worst case, it’s just more practice for me 😀

HubertManne,

no I mean blocking the trolls

randomcruft,
@randomcruft@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

ohhhh, that makes even more sense. that would reduce the annoyances for sure. advice taken!

Strayce, do games w You know what would be cool? If all those (job name) simulator games could all be joined.
Crafter72, do games w How do I download anything from Nexus Mods?

Nexus mods isn’t shady, they inform user regarding data breach. They provide mods and have been serving mods ever since pre 2010 I believe (registered myself on that site back in 2014 ish).

Maybe slightly off-topic, I recommend to use Viva New Vegas guide as based on my testing the game is more stable and suitable base for modding up your New Vegas install, however also check out every mods you are going to install especially older mods pre-2018 (for me) as they sometime aren’t optimized which may makes unstable issue with the game. Hope you enjoy the New Vegas!

djmichaelb, do games w question(s) about etiquette in MMORPGs

You should take a look at this YouTube documentary by Folding Ideas which addresses the shift in behaviours regarding MMORPGs: youtu.be/BKP1I7IocYU?si=ed6-L2QZf40GbEwA

randomcruft, (edited )
@randomcruft@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

thank you for the link! i will set aside some time tonight to check it out. i can only imagine the number of different mindsets / attitudes and such in a single game, let alone different games.

edit 2024/11/17 - watched this last night and it was great! I don’t know a lot about WoW, but it was interesting all the same. i was struck by how much research was done against the game. also, how the player influencing the game and vice versa happened over time. the comments on how players reacted to those less skilled was interesting. for me it gives a different perspective on interactions. again, thank you!!

GladiusB, do games w question(s) about etiquette in MMORPGs
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I am an ultimate raider in FFXIV. If I am traveling around, ask away. One of the greatest things about our community is there a bunch of people that love to help and teach. But you have to be honest about where you are at. If you don’t know, say something. But if you pretend to be further ahead and people are expecting to beat something, it will be awkward. But that’s raiding. The rest is just finding what you like about it. There are usually tons of discord channels that helps you find what you are interested in.

randomcruft,
@randomcruft@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

understood about you don’t know, say something. for me that’s easy, i’m not one to say i know things when i don’t. appreciate the feedback.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

It’s just a basic courtesy. You will get far more people willing to help by saying “I don’t know this, how do I [enter whatever you need to know]” good luck out there!

astro_ray, do astronomy w It pains to admit but i got Bird Jones'ed when buying my first telescope

what is bird jones?

einfach_orangensaft,
@einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works avatar

Its like a newtownian just that it has a spherical mirror (cheaper to make) and uses a corrective lens in front of the eyepeace.

MrFappy,

Alright, now explain it.

Forester,
@Forester@yiffit.net avatar

It’s an inferior telescope with a cheap mirror and built in contacts to make it work

echo,

Awesome ELI5. Now… why is it called that?

keckbug,

As with nearly everything in astronomic optics, it’s named after people associated with its creation. Robert Jones and Thomas Bird are the two in this case. Here’s a thread on Cloudy nights with good info.

Klanky,
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

Thanks for that thread. I’ve never heard of a Bird-Jones design before so it was super interesting.

einfach_orangensaft,
@einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works avatar

my fav from that thread (and i propose to make this a copy pasta):

My entire gripe around these scopes is the instruments being offered today, the sub-aperture lens arrangement is not doing any corrections. The lens is a straight up Barlow, nothing more.

If you look at the Bird-Jones design, the design is very specific in the design of both the primary & correcting lens. This means that both elements need to be not only matched but also well manufactured in order to work as designed. When you then look at the few true Bird-Jones instruments that were manufactured, such as the Tasco 8V (which was manufactured by Vixen), the Celestron G8-N and one other (escapes my mind right now but I’ll add it when I remember), these scopes were not cheap but pushing flagship status for these brands & supplied with swish mounts. And none of these scopes can be readily collimated by the end user as the alignment of the optics is so precise it is done in-factory. The 8V alone still maintains almost cult status.

The Bird-Jones design is not without its own shortcomings. It is not perfect without aberration. It is important to remember the ideas behind its design, to provide a short tube OTA option with what was able to be readily manufactured at the time, that being good spherical mirrors.

What is made today is a far cry from what a Bird-Jones offers performance wise. Made cheap with a poor spherical primary & that they are totally collimateable by the end user shows these are not a precision scope. Add to this that not a single Bird-Jones instrument is to be found anywhere else besides these cheap things. Doesn’t this say something?

These cheap instruments, really all cheap instruments are a double edge sword. They make astro more accessible, yes, but their poor quality ends up killing off more people’s enthusiasm for astro than firing it up. Add to this that for many novices if the mount is not a complicated equatorial one then it isn’t an astronomical instrument, & the difficult manner of using a wobble-tron mount & tripod with the mental gymnastics required just too much for most people who buy these and just give up way too soon.

Yes, there will be a few people who will be able to make these scopes work, being all they can afford, and all power to them. I will support such persons. But these are very few compared to the overwhelming number of people who just give up after the poor experience they get from these instruments. Too them astro is just all too hard, and mainly because of a poor instrument.

Call these cheap instruments what they are, a barlowed Newtonian.

mindbleach,

Guy named Bird, guy names Jones.

SkaveRat,

Okay okay

But why were their last names that?

rickt137, do astronomy w It pains to admit but i got Bird Jones'ed when buying my first telescope
@rickt137@astrodon.social avatar

@einfach_orangensaft I had a Bird Jones - worst optics I've ever seen in a telescope. It was cute as a button sitting on my desk, though!

Peppycito,
rozlav,

not available (T_T)

Peppycito,
knokelmaat, do gaming w Thinking of starting a little beehaw minehut server for minecraft what version should I go with? (java)

I am new to Minecraft, bit love this idea. What would I need to join this server? Is Minecraft paid or free?

Gamers_mate,

You normally have to buy minecraft first. There are cracked clients but those wont work with normal servers. I think there is a way to allow them in server settings but it means player skins wont be loaded and everyone would have the same skin. Idk if there are any other differences.

DdCno1,

Wouldn’t it be more in the spirit of this community to use a free and open source alternative to Minecraft like Classicube?

github.com/ClassiCube/ClassiCube

I discovered this one recently. As the name implies, it’s a reverse-engineered clone of early versions of the game. It has extremely low hardware requirements, which allow the client to run on virtually anything.

Here’s a list of supported server software:

www.classicube.net/server/host/

If you use MCGalaxy, then players will even be able to join your servers through their web browser.

Gamers_mate,

Awesome a will have a look into it. I chose minehut so I didnt have to host the server on my pc. I will check out the server software as well since classicube looks interesting.

knokelmaat,

As I said in the other comment, another option is the open source Luanti (formerly MineTest). It is a base “engine” for which you can install different community made games. There are games that attempt to copy Minecraft as completely as possible (with survival mode etc.): content.luanti.org/packages/?type=game

Voxelibre and mineclonia seem promising.

Gamers_mate,

I will have a look into that as well. Btw while I was on minehut to check if they supported classic cube servers I noticed something odd. They have no reject cookies option which is illegal. https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/b88c2a41-3243-4a6b-8090-f325e1a2bdbf.webp

knokelmaat,

I just tried it myself, I can also not reject them. That’s not OK, worthy of a separate post even!

Gamers_mate,

I think we need to let one of the big mc youtubers like phoenix sc know about this to shed some light on it. Also just then when I was searching about minehut I found it is now owned by gamersafer which is related to mojang/microsoft www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY0lBr0TX_w I am not sure if not being able to reject cookies predates that but being owned by a company that is parternered with microsoft/mojang instead of just some random shady company means they should know better than to allow this illegal stuff to happen.

knokelmaat,

There’s also minetest I believe, which is an open source Minecraft clone, but without compatibility with the actual game.

wacpan, do zapytajszmer w Dlaczego ja? Odcinek o squacie
@wacpan@szmer.info avatar

Tak, był w jakimś paradokumencie, z dekadę temu, chyba na TVNie, nie pamiętam, czy “Dlaczego ja?”, ale może tak – skłoting pokazany z patologicznej strony.

obywatelle, do wolnyinternet w Kolejna fala uciekających z Twittera - warto przeczytać
@obywatelle@szmer.info avatar

Takich postaw zdecydowanie na Fediwersum brakuje. A od narzekania że ludzie wolą Bluesky też userów takiemu Mastodonowi nie przybędzie.

Zwłaszcza że za pół roku wszyscy wrócą na Eloneksa.

catloaf, do games w Is a Quest 3 really worth it?

It’s a medium-term hype thing. But worth is a subjective decision that only you can make, depending on how much you’re willing to spend and how much you want to do VR things.

I would never recommend the Facebook-owned ones though.

SandLight, do games w Is a Quest 3 really worth it?

No. It’s a meta product so it should be avoided.

BigMikeInAustin, (edited )

I’m really trying to avoid all Meta products, but Quest 3 seems to have the best reviews and there are some good refurbished and used deals.

I’m not sure what to pick instead, while being cheap and having a PC about 7 years old.

Kolanaki,
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There’s the Pico 4 if you can get one in your country. Instead of Meta, it’s ByteDance.

EvilBit, do games w Is a Quest 3 really worth it?

I will echo some of the other sentiments.

Meta sells a lot of their tech at a loss. You are not buying a VR headset with just your dollars. You are taking a huge kit of cameras and sensors hooked up to the world’s most advanced internet-connected telemetry and strapping it to your face. The data it gleans is how you’re covering a large portion, if not the majority, of the cost.

In my opinion, a PS5 and PSVR2 is the best way into VR for most people right now. I have that and a Valve Index and while the Index is awesome, it’s pretty dated and fiddly and while my computer runs it pretty well, catching up to more modern tech will cost me $2000 in upgrades and the fuss associated with building/upgrading/buying/migrating a PC.

I’m hoping Valve releases their rumored standalone headset sometime before the end of the world.

Katana314,

Much as I trust Sony more than Meta, part of the issue is that 80% of the cool stuff from VR comes from indie teams running an ItchIO page or Patreon, not established publishers.

Supposedly, PSVR2 can work with PC now but I don’t know how refined that integration is.

EvilBit,

I agree that there’s a ton of good stuff coming from the indie scene and also some amazing modding of existing games out there (check the Flat2VR discord - they just modded full VR support with motion controls into Silent Hill 2 Remake), but despite all the complaints about the PSVR2 library, there is more than enough gold in there to keep a lot of people entertained for a very long time, and some of it is truly AAA stuff. The headset itself is extremely well designed and easy to pick up and play, and the amount of tech you get is pretty nuts.

I’ve heard it’s pretty minimally supported on the PC because they’re kind of trying to get away with building half of a bridge (spoiler: it won’t work) but even without features like haptics and eye tracking, it’s a reasonable baseline headset. There may be some Bluetooth inconsistencies for some though, if I remember correctly.

quafeinum,
@quafeinum@lemmy.world avatar

The integration is ok and the psvr2 is quite nice with the oleds. I have the adapter and it works. BUT VR is an utter joke… specially on the ps5 itself. So unless you are a furry and really really really need that much vr porn then I’d wait another 5 years and spend that money on hooker and blow instead.

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