Expedition 33 is very good at what it does. It’s a great experience, well worth the money (though I found combat to be repetitive over time) and as others have already explained, a lot more artistic.
BG3 however was a mind-blowing game for me. The amount of choices you have at every point was something I’d always wanted, and I’d always been let down.
I still think about E33s story often after my ~20h playing it, but for BG3 I really wish I could play it again for the first time, after having played over 200 hours already.
That first big bad nevkron was like the asylum demon in dark souls for me. Yeah, he kills you in one hit but he’s not impossible. Also I didn’t know you could just not fight them again. I though I was stuck cause the failure screen just gives you two options of retry and something else. As a souls player I saw “retry” and nothing else. Took maybe six tries, but the combat was more intuitive afterwards(at least the parry)
That’s where I am. I loved bg 1&2. For some reason 3 just isn’t clicking for me. I can’t get past the first goblin cave and have the difficulty low. I’m no slouch either as I’ve gone through every single one of the fromsoft library. I even beat pre patch balteus ffs. I know there’s something simple I’m missing but bg 1&2, icewind Dale, shit even planescape never gave me a problem! I’m absolutely love Clair obscura though. It’s giving me huge ff VIII vibes which I loved.
They’re very different games, in my opinion. If “bang for your buck” is most important then BG3 has objectively more content. It’s way longer, has way more side content and can support many playthroughs.
I think BG3 is a very good game, but it is not perfect and it is somewhat overrated. It’s a great game, but not the best game ever. It has a fair share of flaws, and while the writing is fine it’s still very much videogamey.
Expedition 33 is more of a work of art. It still has its problems too, but at all the critical points it delivers in spades. It’s got a great cast of characters, beautiful art direction and a story with resonant themes that will hit home with most people. Plus one of the best soundtracks of all time. It’s got fantastic presentation, some incredible set pieces and moments and phenomenal voice acting, direction and facial expressions. Even though the game is turn-based, the implementation of active elements like Parry and Dodge will feel very familiar to you coming from Elden Ring. In fact, one of the gameplay designers used to be a Sekiro speedrunner, and it shows.
From your frame of reference BG3 is more like Skyrim I’d say, in that it can almost be your “forever-game”. People put thousands of hours into it over dozens of playthroughs and it has a very vivid modding scene. Expedition 33 is all about that one, cinematic impactful playthrough. Maybe you play it a second time to pick up on foreshadowing and stuff like that.
For me personally I had a great time playing BG3, but I will eventually forget about it. I spent fewer hours in Expedition 33, but the experience will stay with me way longer.
You worded my reasoning for Clair Obscur much better than I could have.
OP: I loved Clair Obscur and highly recommend it. The story and gameplay is just so engaging, and it honestly might be the most beautiful game I’ve ever played in both art and soundtrack.
With the exception of the words “somewhat overrated”, I agree with this 100%. I have probably ~1000 hours in bg3 and just shy of 100 in expedition 33.
I wish I could play Expedition 33 for the first time again. It’s amazing. And it is very much a work of art.
With BG3 I can play it for the first time again by making different choices, adding mods, and choosing different classes. It’s a very fun video game with a lot of choices.
I’d highly recommend both. If someone is searching to fill between 40 and 100 hours (I like side quests, ok?) then Expedition 33 is absolutely amazing. If someone were looking to spend a couple of years before they have the money for another game then I can absolutely recommend BG3.
BG3 clearly has a lot of effort and polish put in, but overrated still resonates with me. I didn’t get out of act one because I find DnD mechanically tedious to play and the the gallery of rogues style characters more annoying than endearing.
What makes you say BG3 is overrated? I totally understand it’s not necessarily for everyone, but it’s basically without peer in the genre if you’re huge into that style of game like I am. Now admittedly a component of why people say it’s so good is that Larian has had amazing community engagement so I guess that could be an argument. I do wish that Act 3 had gotten the more content they were thinking of but it’s better that they’ve had so much attention to detail I mean I’m not sure there’s a game that comes close in terms of how many choices you get to make.
The gameplay is good, but being shackled to D&D 5E is not ideal. I have a lot of issues with the writing of the game in general, Act 3 is also very bad. It’s still a great game, it’s just that people frequently claim it’s the best game of all time and I think that’s overrating it.
Fair points. I disagree that 5E isn’t ideal for this game specifically. Other systems are quite complex to implement in a game so less accessible. Imagine all the people who struggle with the 5e rules trying to play the game in pathfinder. I don’t play 5e anymore but I think it’s pretty decent for a crpg. I can agree that the writing isn’t perfect though. The character writing and such is quite good but the overall main plot is a bit weak I suppose. Sure there are parts of it that could be better but I don’t see why it shouldn’t be called one of the greatest games. It’s accessible for normie non crpg players, the characters are fun, there’s lots of choices and unlike say a Bethesda game they actually matter lol.
Somewhat unrelated how do you feel about divinity if you’ve played it in comparison to bg3? Do you think some of the issues with bg3 might be due to using existing IP if you like divinity better?
Admittedly it’s been a while since I played D:OS2, but I enjoyed that combat system quite a lot. No random success chance felt good, the action economy was more interesting and the skills had more freedom and interesting effects because they didn’t have to stick to existing 5E material. Magic/physical armor was an interesting strategic factor to play around and combat mostly felt good - although yes, it did frequently and infamously devolve into elemental surface spam.
Writing wise it’s all still in the patented Larian tone, which is sometimes funny but frequently unserious and sort of Marvel-esque for better or worse. I didn’t mind it as much in DOS2, but I was quite a few years younger when I played it. The romance sucked in that game too but at least one positive is I don’t remember every companion throwing themselves at you in a pathetic display of wish fulfillment protagonist-sexuality writing like they do in BG3.
FF11 followed by Guild Wars. I would probably have many more if I didn’t get old and more responsibilities. When those came out, I was still living at my parents’ home for a few more years. I remember playing all night, and my parents got up and got ready for work, and I would go to bed just to avoid the shame and immediately go back on when they left.
I’ve been wanting to make something like this for a while but never got around to it.
I also wanted to get a dedicated piece of hardware ala the Steam Deck or a Raspberry Pi or something, so Indie devs would have a spec to target to ensure smooth gameplay while not having to do any kind of special build since it would run normal Linux. A proper Linux Console
I also wanted to design a custom controller for it. I actually got the PCB designed, but never made it and never made the enclosure. It was gonna be kinda like the new Horis where it’s half-modern controller/half-SNES controller, only mine is based on the XBox layout not the PlayStation’s, and also I had the buttons oriented somewhat like a gamecube, with a big “main” button, a smaller secondary button, and two auxiliary buttons (tho arranged in XBox order still)
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