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Luci, w Why Unity's New Install Fees Are Spurring Massive Backlash Among Game Developers - IGN
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Just a reminder that other game engines exist. Some are even free and just as powerful, if not more.

geosoco,

Like godot!

Here's a bunch of other dev related tools link.

static09,

Also stride!

www.stride3d.net

PeleSpirit,

Stride looks great, thanks for the link.

Kata1yst,
@Kata1yst@kbin.social avatar

And O3DE, formally Amazon Lumberyard / CryEngine

https://o3de.org/

wave_walnut,
@wave_walnut@kbin.social avatar

I'm interested in Flax game engine.
https://flaxengine.com/

M500,

I know nothing about game dev.

Is godot really just as powerful? I’ve heard of it, but I always thought it was for 2d stuff.

dustyData, (edited )

It shines in 2D where Unity falters, yes. But it’s perfectly capable of doing 3D competently. It’s shaders and lightning pipelines that are a bit rough on the edges, but that can be overcome with time with more brainpower coming in to contribute. The scripting is also far more robust than the hodgepodge that Unity tries to pass off as C#. The great advantage is that Godot is a non-profit foundation with a transparent governance model. Not a predatory venture capitalist behemoth like Unity.

EnglishMobster,
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Godot is a passable engine. It doesn't have a massive pile of money behind it, but it'll generally do most things adequately.

Honestly - and I may be biased as I'm a AAA dev who works with the engine - Unreal is really the way to go. Reasonable pricing on a powerful engine. The main issue is that it's bloated as hell and there's a learning curve... but if you're an indie, it's just as usable as Unity. Plus if you wanted to get into AAA development someday, Unreal is super popular and used everywhere.

CaptDust, (edited )

It’s been really great for 2d, 4.0 made it really good for 3d, and it’s even decent for general GUI applications, as an engine it feels ready for wider adoption to me.

I think it’s not up to Unreal quality, but for the vast majority of indie games I believe it’s enough.

LetMeEatCake, (edited )

Unity is Unreal’s biggest marketer now, it seems…

Curious if some of the many internal AAA engines out there might start to get shopped around as a new alternate to UE. Sony, Ubisoft, and Microsoft all have a few in house engines that at least on paper seem viable for branching out — the biggest obstacle would be support, I suspect. Which isn’t a trivial obstacle, to be clear.

idTech is due for a resurgence. Maybe Valve could even get a revival in usage of Source.

Paranomaly,
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I’d love to see Capcom license the RE Engine with how nice and smooth all the games made on that have been

fsxylo, (edited )

This doesn’t help people who were already knee deep in a project.

I might invest in some cheap liquor instead.

Enkers, w Why Unity's New Install Fees Are Spurring Massive Backlash Among Game Developers - IGN

Riccitiello also came under fire in 2022 for referring to developers who don’t focus on microtransactions as the “biggest f*cking idiots” before apologizing.

Classic CEO brainrot. There’s more to life than just maximizing profit.

otter,

Maybe this will be the kick in the rear that gets people to drop them enmasse. I’d definitely explore the other options for any new projects I was starting.

Even if they drop this fee, is it really worth the headache in the future when they try something again?

doctorcrimson,

No, Unity has always been an inferior engine to others such as Unreal Engine, Lumberyard, Blender, etc. In fact, the Unreal Engine 3 UDK became free well over a decade ago, and it’s basically Unity if Unity weren’t the scummy corporate vampires they’ve always been.

quams69,

Let’s not pretend Epic aren’t also scummy corporate vampires

dylanTheDeveloper,
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I’m sorry but Blender game engine was pretty cumbersome to use. It was officially dropped awhile ago and last I heard it was picked up by the community

LillyPip,

In a capitalist oligarchy? There’s really not.

KingThrillgore, w Why Unity's New Install Fees Are Spurring Massive Backlash Among Game Developers - IGN
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The aftermath from its main audience, mobile devs, is going to be biblical.

Voroxpete, w The next Sims game will be free-to-play with paid DLC

Totally unrelated, but that “Totally not The Sims” game that Paradox are developing looks pretty great, huh?

banana_meccanica, w Why Unity's New Install Fees Are Spurring Massive Backlash Among Game Developers - IGN

They must have lost their minds. Bankrupt or even pay Unity back for a successful game you made and finished months ago? I hope they get legal action.

KoboldCoterie,
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Seriously. If they were changing the terms going forward, that’d at least be defensible, but trying to make it apply to everything that’s ever been made is just nonsensical.

Fubarberry,
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Even then it would be pretty bad for a lot of devs. If you’ve been developing a game in unity for years, you can’t just easily change engines just because they’ve changed the rules of using their engine.

KoboldCoterie,
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I agree with you; they’d have to give plenty of notice that the changes were coming and maybe even offer exemptions for developers who can show they were working on something significantly before the announcement… I don’t think there’s any way they could reasonably do it that would avoid all backlash, but this just seems like the absolute worst way to handle it.

4am,

So they owe devs on all previous installs? Like back payment? Or just going forward if you’ve ever used Unity?

KoboldCoterie, (edited )
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Any future installs starting on January 1. It does, however, mean that many developers will be more or less forced to pull their games off of storefronts, if it actually goes through. It also means that if you bought a Unity game in the past, you’re costing the developer money every time you install it (again, if this actually goes through - I can’t imagine they won’t backpedal.)

The real issue with this isn’t the policy itself, which I would bet money won’t actually be enacted, but the fact that Unity (thinks they) can just unilaterally and retroactively change their policies. If this actually held up in court, which I think is a tenuous possibility at best (but I am not a lawyer so take that with a grain of salt), it sets an awful, awful precedent.

NotMyOldRedditName,

If they can change the terms of games already released and ask for a % per install, what’s stopping them from just asking for 100% and saying suck it bitches.

geosoco, w Why Unity's New Install Fees Are Spurring Massive Backlash Among Game Developers - IGN

This article has some new quotes and details. I know we have the other thread going, but this would get buried over there.

pruwybn, w Pokémon collaboration with the Van Gogh Museum opens later this month
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Pokemon Gogh

geosoco,

Even a painting is more fun.

bfg9k, w Forza Motorsport's Blind Drive Assist Is A Breakthrough For Gaming Accessibility

Love to see it.

I know as I get older the possibility of losing one of my senses only goes up. I might need this someday.

superfes, w Unity reveals plans to charge per game install, drawing criticism from development community

Annnd…

Uninstalled.

books, w Steam's Oldest User Accounts Turn 20, Valve Celebrates With Special Digital Badges - IGN

18 as well.

JokeDeity, (edited ) w What games had easy soft locks that prevented you from either progressing or getting a true ending?

Not exactly the same but sort of related: the first time I played the New Vegas DLC Honest Hearts, I accidentally shot a character that is meant to be a companion, turned him and essentially all quest characters hostile and basically forced the game to direct me from the opening of the DLC to the final mission because I couldn’t do anything to side with anyone. I thought it was the shortest most bullshit DLC with not nearly enough to do for at least a few years before I played it again and realized how much I missed.

Mr_Buscemi,

Dog/God?

JokeDeity,

No that’s Dead Money, this was Follows-Chalk.

Mr_Buscemi,

Ohhhh lol I got the names confused.

I’ll have to try that in a playthrough one day to see how it goes.

JokeDeity,

But that is one of my favorite characters in the whole game.

fsxylo, w Unity reveals plans to charge per game install, drawing criticism from development community

Throws year long project in the trash

MentalEdge, (edited ) w Unity reveals plans to charge per game install, drawing criticism from development community
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Ah. Yet another reason for game studios to turn away from commercial dev tools and turn to FOSS software like Blender and Godot.

And since game devs are, you know, developers, they can even contribute to these tools with heir dev time, improving them and accelerating the industry shift away from this commercial bullshit even more.

Cqrd,

Wasn’t there a massive amount of drama in the Godot community recently that nearly destroyed it?

MentalEdge, (edited )
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I’ve heard of no such thing.

But drama almost never kills FOSS software. It just causes it to fork. FOSS software can become like an olympic flame that just keeps getting passed from dev to dev. Once there are people actively using something, those same people are motivated to fix any issues they have with it, or add any features they are missing. That then drives improvement of the software, which in turn drives adoption, which drives more improvement…

There was huge drama around Emby going closed source, but FOSS Emby simply got forked, becoming Jellyfin.

There’s an example just within lemmy, the lemmur app apparently stopped development due to some drama, but it got forked and Liftoff picked up right where it left off.

Yes. There can be drama around FOSS projects, and there often is. Loosely organized groups of volunteers putting together serious software don’t work as efficiently as a paid team of devs led by a visionary with final say. But FOSS projects are capable of becoming self-perpetuating in a way proprietary software can never do. Once they reach a high enough level of adoption, they are very hard to kill.

And Godot is definitely up there.

snowfalldreamland, (edited )

The only “drama” I recall is that one guy, who ran an unofficial forum, went on a weird rant about how Godot is a scam because he thought development was too slow or something. He then shut down his unofficial forum. That’s a long shot from “being destroyed”.

But maybe I missed something?

(Edit: I had misspelled “forum” as “form”. Sorry if that confused anybody)

Cqrd,

Yep, that’s the one I was thinking about. Thanks for the clarification, I only vaguely remembered it

wahming, w Unity reveals plans to charge per game install, drawing criticism from development community

I guess Unity had a good run while it lasted. Time to see Godot splashscreens everywhere now

CaptDust, (edited )

Godot doesn’t charge a subscription fee to remove the splash screen :)

Sanctus, w How Assassin’s Creed Mirage Is A Revitalized Take On the Series’ Roots
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I’m surprised this IP is still going.

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