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bjoern_tantau, do games w Doom Studio id Software is Seemingly Working on new Version of its Game Engine - id Tech 8
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Meh, wake me up when they continue the tradition of open sourcing old engines.

bingbong,

Unity would like to know your location

kugmo,
@kugmo@sh.itjust.works avatar

I bet if Bethesda had never bought iD they would still be doing this.

mindbleach, do games w Xbox Partners With Alpine F1 Team For Multi-year Sponsor Deal As "Official Console Partner"

Anti-competitive exclusivity is the only thing propping up the facade of console platforms.

Nfntordr, do games w Doom Studio id Software is Seemingly Working on new Version of its Game Engine - id Tech 8

I wish there were more games licensed to use idtech.

Daefsdeda, do games w Alleged GTA 6 Videos & Source Code Leaked; Schreier: It's Real

Can’t wait for it to lose all its charm compared to the other games with a microtransaction filled online world…

Blizzard,

Is that confirmed or you just guessing?

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It’s R*/T2 what do you expect if you look at RDRO and GTAO?

Daefsdeda,

Just guessing. But I wouldn’t call it a miracle if I am right.

Klystron, do games w Microsoft May Exit Gaming Business If Game Pass Subscribers off Console Don't Increase Enough by 2027

While less competition is bad, I’m not sure there’s been a competition with Microsoft since like 2009. They have continuously proven that they will make the dumbest choices with stuff like always on online, can’t play used games, gimping games for the series x because the series s is basically just the Xbox one again, buying game developers and doing absolutely nothing with them, and releasing maybe two interesting exclusives in the span of 15 years. I was team green from the og launch until I got my PS4 but man I hope they just kick Xbox to the curb and just let PC kinda do its own thing. I have zero confidence in Xbox making any decision right in the gaming space.

Blizzard,

That and also - fuck Microsoft.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

Games look better on the Series X than the PS5. Very little is gimped.

Jamie, do games w Unity to Cap Runtime Fee to 4% of Revenue Over $1M, Users Will Self-Report Figures
@Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

Hopefully development studios can hold strong and continue their boycott anyway. Backing down now basically means Unity got away with it, in a sense. Plus, companies are learning from each other’s shitty tactics lately ala Twitter, Reddit, and Recently Facebook coming out with payment schemes on things that used to be free.

So if Unity does this, other software companies will probably try some similar stuff.

nanoUFO, do games w Microsoft May Exit Gaming Business If Game Pass Subscribers off Console Don't Increase Enough by 2027
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m totally okay with that, I don’t think Microsoft represents a positive force in gaming or in technology in general.

muddybulldog,

Then who? Sony? The company that made rootkit a household name?

nanoUFO,
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

How about none of them? But Sony has far less power in this space anyway.

BarterClub, do games w Microsoft May Exit Gaming Business If Game Pass Subscribers off Console Don't Increase Enough by 2027

Click bate title. Just a slide of what they think they will hit. Microsoft is not going to drop gaming when it just spent how much on studios?

kaitco,

Microsoft paid Ninja about $50 million to leave Twitch and stream solely on their Mixer platform, only to close Mixer entirely less than a year later.

They will absolutely buy up a bunch of stuff and then just close down altogether. Their market cap is in the trillions; these things don’t really matter to them in the end.

BarterClub,

True but aren’t they spending billions for Activision and Bethesda?

Much bigger than millions

Hiccup,

Activision has a money printer business in CoD, WoW, hearthstone, etc. Those have realized business equities. They’re practically self sustaining.

muddybulldog,

Those aren’t even the moneymakers in that deal. The real money is in King.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Why wouldn’t they just buy a large stake if they’re only there for the money? The reason to buy the company out is control, meaning they can further other interests (e.g. growing XBox market share) through the acquisition.

BudgieMania, (edited )

Nah, even then that guy is still right. Go check out what Microsoft makes in a quarter, Q22023 for example.

They can afford that loss. Remember, Microsoft is stupid big and makes stupid money, if you go to any world index fund, Microsoft is like 3% of it. It is titanic.

BarrierWithAshes,
@BarrierWithAshes@kbin.social avatar

Yeah no way. I can't see it. Maybe shutting down game pass and shuttering xbox integration but I can't see them completely leaving. Too much money on the table.

Hiccup,

They created the Zune only to promptly shut it and the division down. The zunes were awesome and I wish we had more options for music playback devices.

ZephyrXero, do games w Unity to Cap Runtime Fee to 4% of Revenue Over $1M, Users Will Self-Report Figures

The games making over a million are the ones who can afford the new rates. This is so regressive. It should get more expensive as your sales go up, not down. Small devs should be charged less than big studios

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

The fee is zero for games making less than $1,000,000.

ZephyrXero,

Oh did they change that too? I was just going off the “capped at 4%” part. Before you only had to exceed $200k to have to start paying

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

The grammar in the article is not great.

Melonpoly, do games w Microsoft May Exit Gaming Business If Game Pass Subscribers off Console Don't Increase Enough by 2027

Hopefully the end up leaving, nothing positive has come from Microsoft in the gaming industry since the early 360 era.

ZephyrXero, do games w Alleged GTA 6 Videos & Source Code Leaked; Schreier: It's Real

Blarg, I kinda hate articles like this. They talk about the leak but don’t seem to link to it anywhere. So now you have to go off and search for it yourself 🙄

geosoco,

Uh, they do link to it. I also link to it in the blurb. the "found here" text links to the google doc.

ZephyrXero, (edited )

You linked to a Google doc, and I appreciate that. But there are no vids in that WCCF link

ZephyrXero,

Polygon actually did link to some vids in their article. But they look to have been taken down

geosoco,

Gotcha, yeah sorry about that I didn't check that link and just copied it.

ZephyrXero,
hypelightfly, do games w Unity to Cap Runtime Fee to 4% of Revenue Over $1M, Users Will Self-Report Figures

Still trying to shoehorn in a "runtime fee". That's not going to work and with this model it's pointless anyway. Just make it a 4% revenue for sales after $1 million. Same end results (actually potentially more in fees) without all the runtime issues. Make it apply only to a specific version and later and after a certain date and then you also don't have the retroactive problem and the massive blowback.

LoafyLemon, (edited )

They're trying to monetize the free-to-play mobile market, which is much more lucrative than a percentage of the sales. Cunning bastards.

hypelightfly,

It works for that market too even without install fees, you just make it a percentage of revenue generated from microtransactions. It's still tied to the game.

LoafyLemon,

For every paying customer, there are one thousand installations. A quick maths will tell you why they are trying so much to be paid for runtime.

hypelightfly, (edited )

Quick math shows that's irrelevant with a 4% revenue cap, as I pointed out in my original comment, and at best they will be paid the same as just doing a 4% revenue fee. More likely they will get some amount less than 4% from most devs.

The only reason I see for them going this route instead is to claim they are still royalty free, install fees aren't royalties. Which is BS anyway.

mindbleach, do games w Microsoft May Exit Gaming Business If Game Pass Subscribers off Console Don't Increase Enough by 2027

Second-biggest chunk of the console market, effectively necessary for the PC market, gobbling up studios and publishers like fucking Galactus, and these empty suits still treat “making less money than the number we pulled from our asses” as losing money.

MomoTimeToDie,

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  • mindbleach,

    “Sold out” doesn’t mean anything. For the last four generations, Sony has deliberately underproduced consoles at launch, specifically to claim ‘It’s flying off shelves! We can’t keep it stocked!’ This free publicity stunt even worked for the PS3… which struggled for years.

    That said, yeah, apparently the Xbox whatever-it’s-called sells about half as many units per year, compared to either the PS5 or Switch. Rough.

    Still making money hand over first.

    Electric_Druid, do games w Unity to Cap Runtime Fee to 4% of Revenue Over $1M, Users Will Self-Report Figures
    1. Company makes wildly negative changes
    2. Public outcry occurs
    3. Company walks back overwhelmingly negative parts of the deal to what they originally intended to happen
    4. The public is placated into thinking they won the fight

    We’re at step 3, y’all

    echodot, (edited )

    Yeah and it won’t work this time.

    Unity is B2B, they tried to change the deal retrospectively. That’s toxic to a business relationship, it’s not viable to do business with such a company because they may try to do it again.

    The only thing they can do now is fire the CEO.

    cooljacob204,

    Or add a clause to the TOS banning retroactive updates of TOS to existing games.

    backgroundcow,

    AND add a clause to the TOS banning retroactive updates of TOS to existing games.

    JokeDeity,

    Lawyers really are minions of hell, aren’t they?

    Amaltheamannen,

    Like they already had but sneakily removed

    echodot,

    Oh yeah I’m sure that will work

    Electric_Druid,

    I hope you’re right! Just drawing attention to this page of their playbook.

    Lmaydev, (edited )

    Which is exactly the plan. Short term cash boost and loss of trust followed by a new CEO who builds that trust again. Rinse and repeat.

    The current CEO gets a golden parachute and the investors get some quick cash and likely buy more stock when the value falls.

    hoshikarakitaridia,

    I mean you definitely got a point, but don’t forget that there are long term consequences. The trust is completely gone (which is needed if you invest in this game engine and you will probably see the unity market share drop in the coming year.

    Electric_Druid, (edited )

    I agree- hopefully we can remember long enough for it to really matter in the long term. Just wanted to bring attention to this cycle because it’s been happening a lot lately (Facebook, DnD, etc) and I think the companies are starting to copy eachother.

    filister,

    But don’t you think that pretty much this debacle resembles Reddit and by now most of the users are back to their platform, exactly what they wanted.

    Only the nerds and some mods left their platform permanently but percentage wise the number is probably very low and now Reddit is probably earning even more than before. So it is a win win situation for them.

    Lmaydev,

    The big difference is Reddit isn’t taking a portion of their wages. It was purely moral outrage.

    Things are different once money is involved.

    Choosing an engine is a business decision for a lot of people and using a free alternative that isn’t quite as feature rich sure seems like the better option now.

    hoshikarakitaridia,

    Idk why everyone is like “well Reddit won and we’re just on Lemmy because we’re nerds and no one believes in FOSS anyway”. Yes, I get you, there’s currently not much consequence visible for the Reddit debacle. I genuinely think we’re in the middle of a slow and painful death to Reddit. A lot of big companies don’t implode, but they die slowly in front of their competition. Yeah, currently we only are a fraction of users compared to Reddit, but if people truly believe in Lemmy as the better platform, this will be competition.

    Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow,

    There’s no long term consequences unless you have serious competitors and Unity doesn’t really, just Unreal Engine.

    uskok,

    Maybe not today, but getting serious competitors is another long term consequence.

    DigitalFrank,

    Pssh, long term consequences are for the next CEO. I got my bonus and stock options.

    MentalEdge, (edited ) do games w Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Official Document Reveals Open-Ended Gameplay, New Combat Abilities For Main Cast
    @MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

    While I don’t mind that Rebirth will be more open world, perhaps like fifteen, I never considered Intergrades linear design an “issue” that needed “solving”.

    There’s nothing wrong with linear game design, quite the opposite. It lends itself to a more focused experience. Games often have so much “stuff” to do, half of it ends up irrelevant.

    I really enjoyed the tightly paced experience that was Intergrade.

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