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ooli, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

What is the smallest change you can do to the game, so that computer wont win against master anymore?

Dicska,

Every time a piece is about to hit another, the players have to arm wrestle and the winner takes the loser’s piece (if you can’t arm wrestle then you lose automatically).

Anticorp,

Machines will win 100% of arm wrestling matches if they’re built to do so. We can’t compete with the strength of a hydrologic servo.

Got_Bent,

You can only move pieces to squares with pictures of crosswalks on them.

baropithecus, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

White is OP, known issue since 1889 and devs haven’t addressed it. Dead game

udon,

Possible quick fix: Switch from turn-based to real time mode

dustyData,

Isn’t that just 1 second bullet?

Sinistar,

I was thinking Kung Fu Chess

HerbalGamer,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

jfc

xantoxis, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

It doesn’t get balance updates because the sides are virtually identical, it’s not hard when your game design doesn’t take risks

waratchess,

I think they meant balance as in the pieces haven’t received nerfs or buffs.

Bayz0r,

Yes and this isn’t necessary because the two sides are completely identical. No differences in pieces or terrain or anything so there’s no need to change a piece to make it stronger or weaker.

n0clue,

So I can’t get a Battlepass knight? That doesn’t seem fair.

GoodEye8,

Actually it has had balance changes. Chess clock for instance is a balance update between the players, but there’s also been balancing between pieces. En passant and castling but also changing how the pieces work (for example bishop).

Despite the obvious symmetry of the game there’s still a lot to balance.

ComicalMayhem,

wait the bishop changed??

GoodEye8,

In the olden days Bishops could move only 2 squares and jump over other pieces like knights.

HenryWong327,
@HenryWong327@lemmy.ml avatar

Interesting, that’s how it still works in Chinese chess.

sushibowl,

You are quite correct that an asymetrical game is much harder to balance.

However having identical sides and a symmetric playing field doesn’t always guarantee a balanced game. For example, if one piece or position dominates all others it can lead to a lack of viable options and just one way to play, making the game uninteresting. You don’t just want the players to have equal strength, you also want the universe of possible playing strategies to contain many different strong options.

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Queen OP, pls fix.

petersr,

Also, in that case having first move advantage would be seen as unbalanced.

Kolanaki, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years
!deleted6508 avatar

I got bored with chess so I started playing Shogi. It’s the same thing, but different.

victorz,

Rocket League is also like chess. Basically the same, just different.

Thorry84, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

Bruh, queen is so OP! It’s BULLSHIT!

A7thStone,

She’s such a Mary Sue.

johannesvanderwhales, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

I mean it did get forked into shogi.

Gork, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

But if you wanted to turn chess into a 4X game, here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taikyoku_shogi?wprov=sfla1

“One game may be played over several long sessions and require each player to make over a thousand moves.”

ArbitraryValue, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

But bots have become a big problem for this game recently.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Funny story time:

I had someone cheat against me the other day (without me realizing it, because I don’t have the game sense to tell), then offer a draw in a clearly winning position. I guess they were trying to avoid detection, but I decided that I didn’t want their handout, declined the draw offer, and resigned.

The system immediately flagged them as cheating and refunded my elo, so I guess all’s well that ends well.

lemick24,

Excellent Chad loss, my man

nieceandtows,

What is elo?

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

It’s the rating system for competitive gaming that was originally developed for chess, but has since been applied to all sorts of gaming, sports, etc. sometimes you might even hear people refer to a game’s matchmaking rating as “elo”, even it’s not called that.

Also, fun fact: it’s not an acronym, it’s a guy’s name:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

nieceandtows,

Interesting, thanks for the info! What does refunded my elo mean? Do you have to pay for a matchmaking?

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Oh no, it’s completely free to play. What I meant was that when a game is over, the winning player gains rating points and the losing player loses rating points, proportional to the rating difference between them.

Since I had lost that game, I lost rating (elo) points. But, since the system recognized that it was against a cheater, which isn’t fair, it gave me the points back when they banned him so that my rating would be unaffected.

nieceandtows,

Ah, got it. Thanks for the explanation.

kogasa,
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

I bet a bot can beat you at Counter Strike too if we made them as strong as possible like chess bots.

Duke_Nukem_1990,

bots and plugs yeah

swope,
@swope@kbin.social avatar

"Butt bots... Sorry. But bots have become..." (Read in Ze Frank voice)

LEDZeppelin, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

Folks over at c/AnarchyChess are feeling so triggered rn

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

It’s ok, we’re two steps past them now. I think we’re safe.

nieceandtows,

Eh. My last move was to tie a ballistic missile to a pawn and roll it down a pinball machine. Their move is to keep it from hitting the bottom and exploding. That would keep them occupied for a while.

swope, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years
@swope@kbin.social avatar

The map is 64-bit.

KingJalopy,
@KingJalopy@lemm.ee avatar

Best comment in this thread

jalda,

It is too simple to be useful in real life: a mere 8 by 8 grid, no fog of war, no technology tree, no random map or spawn position, only 2 players, both sides exact same pieces, etc.

Polytopia addresses these limitations.

De_Narm, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

Well, balance is quite a bit easier if everything is a mirror match. And they still fucked it up, white has the starting advantage.

Skullgrid,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, staring position is zugzwang, black gets to capitalise on whites blunder in the opening.

pearsaltchocolatebar,

Having your opponent make the first move can absolutely be an advantage since it hints to the strategy they’re going with.

I typically choose black for that reason.

OddFed, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years
@OddFed@feddit.de avatar

Ah, there was a rule update just “recently” (1971). You could technically castle across the vertical board if you promoted to rook.

www.futilitycloset.com/2009/…/outside-the-box/

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

O-O-O-O-O-O#

Jesus christ, lol

HelluvaKick,

The Picard Maneuver of checkmates if I’ve ever seen one

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar
Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
@Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

PIcard tried to pull some shit and the dog knocked the pieces over in frustration, I'm certain

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Picard opened with the Amar: Krazy Kat variation and the dog couldn’t help himself.

(I had no idea this opening existed. I just googled, assuming there had to be one with “cat” in the name)

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Google en passant vertical castling

MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown,

Castling itself (as a single move) is a 17th century balance update. Before that it was done as separate moves. But the only reason castling became a thing was because the Queen and Bishop were buffed in the 15th century allowing them to threaten more spaces. This made it more advantageous to fortify the king’s position than to have him flee.

green_square, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

pawn hitbot STILL bugged after a dash action

Limonene, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

>not a single balance update since the 8th century

You’re just begging AnarchyChess to correct you.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

They’re going to tell me to google something. I can feel it.

dependencyinjection,

You should only be Googling things en passant, and not hang around too long.

I’ll show myself out.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

Holy hell

Rubanski,

New response just dropped

A7thStone,

Call the exorcist

toroknos_07,

Lemmy.world suffers an outage, doesn’t come back

funkless_eck,

I set a cron job to do it, now I’m free

nadiaraven,

OK, I looked it up on Wikipedia. The bishop and queen were the last to have their moves set changed to the modern form in the 15th or 16th century. But even since then there have been some tweaks, such as the 3 move and 50 move rules for draws, and the orientation of the board. So you could maybe argue no balancing since the 16th century, and only a few bug fixes after that.

ColeSloth,

En passant wasn’t even added until 1880.

PotatoKat,

More of a hotfix than a balance update imo

fkn,

What’s en passant?

ColeSloth,

It’s French for “in passing”. It’s a special move for taking a pawn with another pawn, if the first pawn tries using its double space first move to go past an enemy pawn.

fkn,

Woosh

ColeSloth,

Are you like an idiot or something? You actually thought asking “what’s en passant?” Was going to come across as funny or sarcastic? Do you actually think everyone knows what en passant is? Most people don’t know how to play chess, yet you think asking what en passant is, is some sort of witty thing? Moron.

fkn,

Now I am confused about if you get the joke or not.

Kethal,

Someone failing to recognize a niche joke from a small community is not a whoosh. And of course he doesn’t get the joke. Because it’s a niche joke from a small community.

fkn,

Wow. Heaven forbid I used a joke from the largest online chess influencers following when there are multiple threads on this post from the same community…

Kethal,

No one said you can’t make jokes. It was only pointed out that someone not getting a joke from your insular club isn’t a whoosh.

fkn,

The whoosh is part of the joke… Which apparently you didn’t know. Also, it isn’t insular. It’s literally the opposite of that. I thought they were participating in the joke until they replied in such a negative way.

I don’t understand why you are so upset about this and why you are so derogatory towards what is potentially the largest generation of chess players proportionally to their generation size to have ever existed.

Kethal,

I don’t feel that I’ve been derogatory or acted upset. I’ve explained that people are not likely to know an inside joke. That’s what inside jokes are. And if part of an inside joke involves mocking someone, then you’d certainly hope that the jokester would be confident that the other person was in on the joke. And if it turned out the other person didn’t get it, you’d hope that the jokester would apologize and politely explain the joke - not act like everyone else is the problem.

It’s great that there are a lot of people that like chess. I assure you though, that by far, the majority of those people do not have any idea about your joke, from a tiny part of the chess community.

fkn,

If you feel you have not been derogatory, please reconsider your language usage in the future.

Kethal,

Someone took the time to answer your question, then you mocked them. That’s derogatory. Then after having it explained what you did wrong, you blame everyone but yourself. Choose your own words more carefully.

fkn,

Wait, I am sorry… when, after the meme ending did I mock them? Like I said earlier I thought they were playing a bit until they reacted so negatively.

Kethal,

I just want to point out here that I haven’t downvoted a single one of your comments. That’s other people weighing in on this.

I’ve already explained it and repeating myself would be pointless. Reflect.

fkn,

Excellent. It looks like we both explained ourselves. You appear to understand my position, and when I ask for clarification further on yours you tell me that it is my fault. Thanks for pointing out my flaws without clarification.

lordmauve,

Yeah, chess was really hard when the board had to be vertical. Horizontal orientation was a huge improvement to the player experience.

ColeSloth,

Castle was put in place around the 17th century, and en passant wasn’t put into the rules until 1880. Both were balance issues being solved.

givesomefucks, do gaming w Has also maintained an active playerbase for 1500+ years

Devs abandoned it, players won’t

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