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Anamnesis, do gaming w Graphics can't save boring mechanics

Yeah they are. I don’t care how good the gameplay is, if you want me to play that shit at 10fps you can go fly a kite.

aluminium, do gaming w Graphics can't save boring mechanics

Point and click adventures

AngryCommieKender,

On the one hand, they were fun back in the day. On the other, who the fuck is supposed to intuitively figure out that I need a plate of spaghetti to give the bouncer? He didn’t say he was hungry, there was no indication that he wanted food to let me pass, it was totally random in far too many cases.

Fredselfish, do gaming w Wait that's illegal
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We all been there and we all hate it.

StoneyDcrew, do gaming w Wait that's illegal

the boss has 30 minutes worth of healh I have 30 mins worth of healing.

When the boss heals that’s over 60 mins of fighting

germtm_, do gaming w Wait that's illegal

no enemies are legally allowed to heal. only i can. >:(

Sendpicsofsandwiches, do gaming w Wait that's illegal
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Well i also can’t force everyone to play “the floor is lava” when I hit half health so we’ll just have to call it even

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  • ThatWeirdGuy1001,
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    Star Wars KotOR did this really well with the final boss. He heals himself but it makes sense why he can and you can prevent him from doing it if you know how.

    TheSambassador,

    Boss/enemy healing isn’t bad game design. There are a lot of very valid reasons that lead to more interesting interactions.

    • A boss with slow health regen might require players to try to burst the boss down through weakpoints or debuffs
    • A boss entering a second phase and getting their health back creates a cool “oh shit” moment and really emphasizes their power
    • A boss that has an interuptable or preventable heal adds an interesting challenge and requires players to do more than just DPSing them down
    SkyeStarfall, do gaming w Wait that's illegal

    I’ll accept it once the boss gets the same amount of health that I do. Or I will accept not healing when I get the same amount of health as the boss.

    Until then though…

    theluckyone,

    Not to mention the mob of henchmen. I just slogged through a small country’s worth of peons meant to serve as a thousand papercuts, whittling my health and resources down… Then this boss comes walking in popping healing kits/potions/whatever like candy.

    C’mon, I’ve only got so much ammo…

    Rentlar,

    …and I need to save my candy for the boss’s boss’s boss which will be the real challenge, of course.

    TwanHE,

    Until you realise you already beat the last boss but still have enough in your inventory for the next 6 play troughs

    hansl,

    Was there ever an RPG where human characters enemies were given the same kind of status as players? Like they have 500hp but you hit them for 30.

    SkyeStarfall,

    Traditional roguelikes tend to do NPCs/enemies which often have comparable stats to the player. With the benefit the player has is a “better AI” aka, an intelligent human behind them.

    FooBarrington,

    Elden Ring :)

    teft, do gaming w Wait that's illegal
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    My face when I divine smite the boss and his health goes to 5 hp left

    My face when he pops lay on hands greater heal and we’re back to square one.

    chuckleslord,

    Minthara is such a pain, unless you throw her in a pit.

    TerrificTadpole,

    I want her clothes though

    chuckleslord,

    Since she’s a “companion”, she leaves an orb when she goes over. At least she did when the game came out (source, I’m definitely rocking her outfit after throwing her over)

    TwoBeeSan,

    You can get first round hits by stealthing your party next to drum on the ledge of the pit.

    Can also break the bridge that reinforcements come in on.

    Found the hobgoblin a lot more difficult. Think it’s dror ragzin?

    chuckleslord,

    Didn’t have trouble second time. I play like a big dumb dumb cause it both makes it more fun and also I play like a dumb dumb thinking I’m smart. I get there eventually.

    teft,
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    Ragzlin you can put a bunch of firewine barrels on his little stage and then lure everyone next to the barrels using minor illusion. Then if you throw a firebolt at the barrels or drop the hanging brazier, boom. That usually takes out everyone except Ragzlin if you use two or three barrels. The priestess you can drop a silence on in her room that she leads you to and she wont call for help. Easy to blow her up and just walk away whistling.

    TwoBeeSan,

    I always forget the power of barrelmancy.

    teft,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Barrels is how i finished up Tactician mode today. Smokepowder demolishes dragons.

    TwoBeeSan,

    Have been cruising through act 2 up until last tower fight.

    Will keep a look out for barrels more often.

    lightnegative, do gaming w The man, the myth, the legend

    He invented dungeons and dragons to create a fantasy world where he could escape from his wife

    Lols, do gaming w Graphics can't save boring mechanics

    new video games have slowly become an interest that i can just flat out not afford anymore

    back in the day you could play a good chunk of stuff with the kind of shoddy office pc anyone had in the home, but its gotten to the point where there is an entry fee of nearly if not over a fucking grand to actually play the latest pc games, with the required upgrades to stay up to date not exactly being cheap either

    i dont think im all that far from the average pc gamer, and triple A titles effectively are not made for me anymore

    RIP_Cheems,
    @RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

    Their are still plenty of great games that aren’t triple A titles or require lots of gpahic upgrades. Just to name a few, hotline Miami, ultrakill, cruelty squad, and more, all made either by stand alone dev teams or sponcerned by good companies like devolver digital.

    araozu, do gaming w Wait that's illegal

    Me playing yakuza 0:

    • press buttons hoping some attacks deal damage.
    • retreat when low on health.
    • drink staminan X.
    • gg ez game go next
    crackajack,

    But Yakuza is a casual action game. Try the Soulsborne or RPG games as they’re notoriously unforgiving.

    araozu,

    Yeah I’m sure I wouldn’t even defeat the first enemy. The fights in yakuza were tedious, I HATE grinding, but the story was so good that I was able to finish the game. And everybody talks about how souls games are insanely hard, and yakuza is easy, but for me the yakuza bosses were kind of hard.

    I don’t know how the souls game are, but in yakuza the fights were all the same: wait for enemy to attack, evade, attack enemy during his backswing, retreat, repeat. The same on witcher 3 (where the fights managed to bore me enough that i forgot about the story). Maybe there are actual strategies instead of following the boring safe path, but idk. I couldn’t figure them out.

    Which is weird, because in dota the skill barrier is high, execution must be close to perfect to win big fights, you must coordinate with strangers, all 5 players need to be on the same page, you kind of need to read your opponent’s mind, process so much information in a short window of time, and yet I enjoy that so much more that regular action games. My theory is that I like dota better because fights are so short yet intense. It’s usually all decided in 10-30 seconds and there’s almost no repetition. Meanwhile, in the witcher I’m evading the griffin and shooting little arrows for 10 minutes non stop.

    AnotherRyguy,

    I’ve only played the souls type games a few times but to me the main difference is that enemies hit HARD and have a variety of attacks with smooth animation that can be harder to predict at times.

    At it’s core though it’s still the same loop of dodge dodge attack repeat… just a lot harder to execute

    RIP_Cheems, do gaming w Wait that's illegal
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    Kolanaki, do gaming w Wait that's illegal
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    Sekiro is the only game that I know of that gives you, the player, the ability to experience what it’s like to grow a second health bar after being defeated.

    crackajack, do gaming w Wait that's illegal

    ITT: people complaining of bosses and enemies healing themselves.

    I don’t know about other genres, but RPG games are notorious for this. I am playing Path of the Damned in Tyranny where enemies heal themselves unlike in lower difficulty. You just have to target healers by using Silence spell to prevent them using magic, or using spells and abilities to paralyze or stun them and concentrate all your attack onto these healers.

    Land_Strider,

    Hey, it is so nice to read someone mention Tyranny out of the blue. How would you rate the combat experience in Path of the Damned difficulty, compared to Hard difficulty? In my experience, Hard difficulty had become really easy and so tedious after the Ascension Hall that I mostly stopped using tactical pauses and maybe even target/ability selection after a while.

    Combat feeling, even on Hard, which should pose some threat at all times, was the only disappointing thing in this game for me. Would you recommend a playthrough with Path of the Damned difficulty, and maybe an according gameplay route?

    crackajack,

    Path of the Damned is… surprisingly easy. If you find Hard difficulty easy enough then Path of the Damned should be cake walk for you too. I know the devs say they don’t punish players for not specialising on any class (in fact you’re encouraged to have mixed and matched abilities and talents from different classes), but as you probably know, some abilities prove more useful. The Leadership tree with its buffs is very useful, especially the “Undying” talent.

    I’ve started as war mage in my first game, with heavy focus on magic and dual weapon fighter. But in the New Game +, I have focused more on magic but invested on the Leadership tree (it is in Path of the Damned I realised that Leadership tree is very powerful!). There is a general consensus that the mage class is the most powerful in Tyranny with the final talent in the Magic tree able to induce a powerful shock wave and almost always causes status effects on enemies. I and many players also find it easily that using spells that provide buff, particularly Haste and Mirror Image, is needed in the game to make tougher battles more manageable or easier. Sirin’s Aria of Memories is highly recommended to have as the ability summons a ghostly image of Sirin that distracts the enemies. It is also best if you also train non-mage companions to also cast healing spells to make healing streamlined.

    Those are the tips I could think of when playing PotD, which is surprisingly easy if you know what you’re doing. But as I said, devs encourages players to experiment. So much so that the tips I gave, I figured them out on my own and I was surprised that many other players online have independently made the same observations and tips. Mage class is definitely the most powerful but I’m not sure about other classes and how they would do in PoTD. You could try and see how it goes! I might actually try specialising in melee next time!

    Land_Strider,

    Thanks for the insight. I had a random build that came up as the inventories and the characters went and didn’t have any need to actually plan any of my characters in Hard, but I may have at least the encouragement to maybe plan my characters in PotD when I play the game again.

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