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Kolanaki, do gaming w Games only need fast travel when they make travel "boring", says Dragon's Dogma 2 director
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Travel is gonna become boring if you have to travel the same road multiple times in the course of the game even if you have a bunch of cool stuff along that road. Eventually, I won’t give a shit about that stuff since I’ve seen it a million times. So I would hope there is still some kind of fast travel to go between places I have already been if the world is super big. Otherwise it’s just gonna feel like you’re padding the game for time to inflate a 10 hour story to take 40 hours to finish.

all-knight-party,
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I think the better way to help fix this issue is random encounters, spawns, and a world that changes as the game moves along.

Moving along the same road can be made interesting if different things are happening every so often as you come through. New friendly encounters, new fights with different enemies, maybe randomly spawning treasure or scripted puzzle sequences that can appear dynamically around the whole world. Add to that a world that becomes modified by story events, maybe that road gets blocked and a different passage opens up that takes you to the same end destination, but with a new path and things to explore.

It's not an unsolvable problem, but it is something that goes by the wayside often.

Ashelyn,

One thing to consider too is scheduled events. Imagine a couple towns get together and throw a fair along a route that connects them, and you get to see celebrations and games and vendors who might sell trinkets that are hard to track down otherwise. Perhaps the local monarch goes on a hunt with the massive party of servants and knights that might entail, with different practices for different cultures. A band of cultists clears an area for several days leading up to their yearly ritual. It’s migration season for a certain species of animal/monster. There are so many possibilities!

Even just vendors passing through can be made more interesting. Do they carry their wares via backpack or cart? Are they being attacked by bandits? Wild animals? Are they trying to smuggle goods or services somewhere?

It all has to be programmed of course, which is the main holdup on what makes it so hard to flesh out those parts of the world.

I do also see weight in the idea that, past a certain point, traveling is just boring, especially if the only thing of importance is the Main Story Quest. Travel is also often boring in real life too but we can tune it out, or find little ways to pass the time and entertain ourselves during the more mundane moments. We’re not frequently afforded that luxury in games. When you’re playing a game and dealing with the downtime going from point A to B, often there is literally nothing to do except hold down the movement keys and deal with the occasional path change/obstacle.

The point of games is to be engaging, and if there’s nothing to do while traveling but look at the scenery and surroundings it will eventually get boring. Even if the travel gets interrupted occasionally for an encounter, I think it’s arguable to say that the content is literally not travel anymore and in fact papering over a bad travel system (if the only thing interesting is the stuff you find that you have to stop and take care of). Adding more unique/transient stuff along routes is only half of the battle; work has to be put in to make traveling enjoyable in and of itself for players to want to do it instead of skip it.

But as always, the best solution to our problem is to simply add more trains.

Edit: slight restructuring/grammar

wolfshadowheart,
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To add to this, DD1 has quite a number of NPC's that travel between regions and you can come across them. As you progress through the game their patterns and locations change.

I actually am ambivalent on the latter mechanic as it really makes it a pain sometimes, but it still has lots of ways that it can work well.

snooggums,
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Depends on the reason for traveling. If you are headed down the road to a goal and keep getting sidetracked by random encounters in a way that is distracting you from the thing you want to do then they just make travel tedious.

It all comes down to why am I traveling and why are encounters on the road more engaging than the reason for being on the road in the first place.

Lith,
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From the article:

And for the record, Itsuno does say that he thinks fast travel is “convenient” and “good” when done right.

Based on Dragon’s Dogma 1’s use of Ferrystones, as well as this mechanic returning along with oxcarts in the sequel, I think this director understands that there needs to be a balance. It’s good when it’s both properly implemented and has a purpose. You’re right that nobody wants to run up and down the same roads countless times, but it’s up to the devs implementing limited fast travel to make sure you won’t have to. Then it’s up to the player to decide whether fast travel is worth it for any given situation. Knowing when to use your fast travel and how to maximize it is a skill that you develop and should be rewarded for mastering.

But it also needs to have a purpose. In more arcadey games, I don’t like worrying about resources like that. But in more grueling games like Dragon’s Dogma, where the journey is often a very intentional part of the gameplay loop if not the main challenge itself, it fits right at home.

Conyak, do gaming w Unity say layoffs “likely” as they recover from disastrous pricing plan rollout and look to AI for growth

So the CEO makes a shit decision, quits and leaves with his millions of dollars and now a bunch of employees get to lose their job. Capitalism is so disgusting.

cerement, do gaming w Unity say layoffs “likely” as they recover from disastrous pricing plan rollout and look to AI for growth
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“who could’ve seen this coming?”
“everyone. everyone saw this coming.”

Pisodeuorrior,

The CEO should be hanged by the balls, just one disastrous decision after another, what an incompetent moron.

thingsiplay,
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The CEO of Unity is the former CEO of E.A., BTW.

Gordon_Freeman,
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And when he was there he said people should pay $1 to reload their weapons on Battlefield

CJOtheReal,

Ah that explains a lot…

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Yep, Payday 3 seems a lot like Payday... but that's no bad thing

…with tacked on always online bullshit

Untitled_Pribor,
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And Denuvo

forgotaboutlaye, do gaming w Starfield's animated trailers offer some player motivation for life among the stars

I watched two of the three, and really enjoyed them. Sure, I'd much rather see more gameplay, and they didn't do anything to sell me on the game itself, but they were enjoyable nonetheless

wolfiedafloof, do games w RV There Yet? is a dad-core co-op game about doing a very bad job driving home from your campervan vacation

A great game. Played it through till the end and we had great laughter.

Only downside is that the developers don’t plan on further developing the game.

Shame cause it has great potential and is unique. Wrote a bunch of things that I thought it lacked and maybe things that should be added to improve the game experience. How it looks now, they won’t be continuing to develop the game as its ‘done’. Only game breaking bugs are fixed ^^

CosmoNova, do games w Nivalis catches yet another delay, this time into 2026, but it sounds like it's for fair reasons

Wow! Over 200.000 words spoken by over 130 actors does sound very ambitious. No wonder it takes that long.

Agent_Karyo,

The city in the original was a huge, you could get lost exploring all the different neighbourhoods. Almost all of them had their own style and design.

cheesorist, do games w Nivalis catches yet another delay, this time into 2026, but it sounds like it's for fair reasons

I would rather wait 10 years than have it come out half baked and lose what wouldve been forever.

Agent_Karyo,

If they have the resources (I am assuming Cloudpunk performed significantly above their initial projections), I have no issues with them taking longer (as long as they aren't stuck in development hell).

HeyJoe, do games w Nivalis catches yet another delay, this time into 2026, but it sounds like it's for fair reasons

First time seeing this, and it looks really good. Can’t wait to play it.

luxliminal, do games w Nivalis catches yet another delay, this time into 2026, but it sounds like it's for fair reasons
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That’s a shame, bur I’m still pumped for this. I’ll have plenty to tide me over until it comes out.

Zoomboingding, do games w RV There Yet? is a dad-core co-op game about doing a very bad job driving home from your campervan vacation
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This game is awesome. Me and two friends are only to mile 4 and I’m terrified at how much worse it’s going to get

capt_wolf, do games w RV There Yet? is a dad-core co-op game about doing a very bad job driving home from your campervan vacation

My best friend and I have been playing this for the past 3 days and it’s wild. All I was expecting was a game about camping in an RV. We’re now underground and having to navigate explosive gas…

RickyRigatoni, do games w RV There Yet? is a dad-core co-op game about doing a very bad job driving home from your campervan vacation
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Anybody else kind of want to watch 2006’s RV with Robin Williams now?

Geodad, do gaming w Even more Blizzard workers have voted to unionise, this time around 100 devs who work on Hearthstone

Yesss!!! Power to the people!!! ✊

SolarPunker, do games w From Detroit to Deadlock: Quantic Dream are making a MOBA

Huh.

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