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Kolanaki, do gaming w Games only need fast travel when they make travel "boring", says Dragon's Dogma 2 director
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Travel is gonna become boring if you have to travel the same road multiple times in the course of the game even if you have a bunch of cool stuff along that road. Eventually, I won’t give a shit about that stuff since I’ve seen it a million times. So I would hope there is still some kind of fast travel to go between places I have already been if the world is super big. Otherwise it’s just gonna feel like you’re padding the game for time to inflate a 10 hour story to take 40 hours to finish.

all-knight-party,
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I think the better way to help fix this issue is random encounters, spawns, and a world that changes as the game moves along.

Moving along the same road can be made interesting if different things are happening every so often as you come through. New friendly encounters, new fights with different enemies, maybe randomly spawning treasure or scripted puzzle sequences that can appear dynamically around the whole world. Add to that a world that becomes modified by story events, maybe that road gets blocked and a different passage opens up that takes you to the same end destination, but with a new path and things to explore.

It's not an unsolvable problem, but it is something that goes by the wayside often.

Ashelyn,

One thing to consider too is scheduled events. Imagine a couple towns get together and throw a fair along a route that connects them, and you get to see celebrations and games and vendors who might sell trinkets that are hard to track down otherwise. Perhaps the local monarch goes on a hunt with the massive party of servants and knights that might entail, with different practices for different cultures. A band of cultists clears an area for several days leading up to their yearly ritual. It’s migration season for a certain species of animal/monster. There are so many possibilities!

Even just vendors passing through can be made more interesting. Do they carry their wares via backpack or cart? Are they being attacked by bandits? Wild animals? Are they trying to smuggle goods or services somewhere?

It all has to be programmed of course, which is the main holdup on what makes it so hard to flesh out those parts of the world.

I do also see weight in the idea that, past a certain point, traveling is just boring, especially if the only thing of importance is the Main Story Quest. Travel is also often boring in real life too but we can tune it out, or find little ways to pass the time and entertain ourselves during the more mundane moments. We’re not frequently afforded that luxury in games. When you’re playing a game and dealing with the downtime going from point A to B, often there is literally nothing to do except hold down the movement keys and deal with the occasional path change/obstacle.

The point of games is to be engaging, and if there’s nothing to do while traveling but look at the scenery and surroundings it will eventually get boring. Even if the travel gets interrupted occasionally for an encounter, I think it’s arguable to say that the content is literally not travel anymore and in fact papering over a bad travel system (if the only thing interesting is the stuff you find that you have to stop and take care of). Adding more unique/transient stuff along routes is only half of the battle; work has to be put in to make traveling enjoyable in and of itself for players to want to do it instead of skip it.

But as always, the best solution to our problem is to simply add more trains.

Edit: slight restructuring/grammar

wolfshadowheart,
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To add to this, DD1 has quite a number of NPC's that travel between regions and you can come across them. As you progress through the game their patterns and locations change.

I actually am ambivalent on the latter mechanic as it really makes it a pain sometimes, but it still has lots of ways that it can work well.

snooggums,
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Depends on the reason for traveling. If you are headed down the road to a goal and keep getting sidetracked by random encounters in a way that is distracting you from the thing you want to do then they just make travel tedious.

It all comes down to why am I traveling and why are encounters on the road more engaging than the reason for being on the road in the first place.

Lith,
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From the article:

And for the record, Itsuno does say that he thinks fast travel is “convenient” and “good” when done right.

Based on Dragon’s Dogma 1’s use of Ferrystones, as well as this mechanic returning along with oxcarts in the sequel, I think this director understands that there needs to be a balance. It’s good when it’s both properly implemented and has a purpose. You’re right that nobody wants to run up and down the same roads countless times, but it’s up to the devs implementing limited fast travel to make sure you won’t have to. Then it’s up to the player to decide whether fast travel is worth it for any given situation. Knowing when to use your fast travel and how to maximize it is a skill that you develop and should be rewarded for mastering.

But it also needs to have a purpose. In more arcadey games, I don’t like worrying about resources like that. But in more grueling games like Dragon’s Dogma, where the journey is often a very intentional part of the gameplay loop if not the main challenge itself, it fits right at home.

Conyak, do gaming w Unity say layoffs “likely” as they recover from disastrous pricing plan rollout and look to AI for growth

So the CEO makes a shit decision, quits and leaves with his millions of dollars and now a bunch of employees get to lose their job. Capitalism is so disgusting.

cerement, do gaming w Unity say layoffs “likely” as they recover from disastrous pricing plan rollout and look to AI for growth
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“who could’ve seen this coming?”
“everyone. everyone saw this coming.”

Pisodeuorrior,

The CEO should be hanged by the balls, just one disastrous decision after another, what an incompetent moron.

thingsiplay,
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The CEO of Unity is the former CEO of E.A., BTW.

Gordon_Freeman,
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And when he was there he said people should pay $1 to reload their weapons on Battlefield

CJOtheReal,

Ah that explains a lot…

DoucheBagMcSwag, do gaming w Yep, Payday 3 seems a lot like Payday... but that's no bad thing

…with tacked on always online bullshit

Untitled_Pribor,
@Untitled_Pribor@kbin.social avatar

And Denuvo

forgotaboutlaye, do gaming w Starfield's animated trailers offer some player motivation for life among the stars

I watched two of the three, and really enjoyed them. Sure, I'd much rather see more gameplay, and they didn't do anything to sell me on the game itself, but they were enjoyable nonetheless

Verito, do games w EA CEO Andrew Wilson got a nice pay bump last year, while the company's workers earned less on average

Punchable faces for $200, Alex.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

Are you kidding me? That’s a daily double punchable face. The mouth is smiling but the eyes are making sure the battery cables are firmly clamped on your nipples.

CmdrShepard49,

It almost looks like an AI generated face. Definitely uncanny valley territory.

tourist, do games w EA CEO Andrew Wilson got a nice pay bump last year, while the company's workers earned less on average
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Fuck it, if I worked there, I’d straight up just steal from his office while he’s doing bumps in the bathroom

SharkAttak, do games w EA CEO Andrew Wilson got a nice pay bump last year, while the company's workers earned less on average
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TIL Sportacus has an evil cousin.

savvywolf, do gaming w Riot will let gambling companies sponsor League Of Legends and Valorant esports teams
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This seems a bit of a risky move… Lets see if this gamble pays off.

Almacca, do gaming w Riot will let gambling companies sponsor League Of Legends and Valorant esports teams
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Breaking!: Shitty company continues being shitty!

SmoochyPit, do gaming w Riot will let gambling companies sponsor League Of Legends and Valorant esports teams

Wait, so let me get this straight… this AAA studio, which is a subsidiary of Tencent, which sells microtransactions for sometimes up to nearly $100, and which has incorporated gambling elements and predatory design in their games for years, has now allowed sponsorships with gambling companies in their esports scene? Color me surprised!

Oh, but it’s really for the benefit of the community and players, since it would happen anyways. And It’s certainly not primarily motivated by the huge profits it could rake in. Right. How noble of them.

I’m sure they have a history of treating their players and employees very well, too.

(obligatory)/s

baguettefish,

Just think of all the incredible engagement players will feel as they gamble their latest limited edition skin away which they bought with their mom’s credit card or their first independent wages.

But hey, at least the slot machine has all your favorite characters and also streamers who have sold their soul. Market research shows that people with dysfunctional impulse control are much more easily exploited that way.

Life can be cruel.

chronicledmonocle, do games w FISH³ is a surreal arcade fishing racer where you have to fish while you drive a fish-powered boat

…uh…cool…

mohab, do games w Rematch review

It suuuucks as a football game. Controls like ass.

Someone bring back PES or cook up a replacement, please. I'm tired of these shitty football games.

Quicky,

IMO, PES was always so much better than FIFA. Matches were slow, measured, low-scoring exercises in passing and breaking down defences. FIFA always felt like a game, whereas PES was a simulation. I’ve not played either of their descendants for years, but I’ve watched my girlfriend’s kid play FC25 and it seems far more like fucking Pokémon than a football game.

Rematch on the other hand is something else. It’s not a football game, despite its appearance. It’s a future-sports game, like Rocket League or Speedball 2. I’m enjoying it from that perspective.

Agree with the controls though, but I’m still putting that down to my own skill issues.

mohab,

Agree with PES being a really good football simulation. I always viewed FIFA as a cynical and jaded attempt at arcadifying football—never really been my cup of tea.

I can't be bothered with the camera management in Rematch. It sucks so bad the game literally tells you get used to no look passing/shooting because you won't have time to adjust your camera. Even when I kinda got used to it and got to score a few goals, I didn't feel any satisfaction—it felt too silly.

echodot,

I haven’t played any of the recent FIFA games but I remember the last one that played had truly awful AI. I never understood why they didn’t have a mode where you could have multiple players controlling different team members. This game actually seems to have that. In fact from the trailer it seems that this might be exclusively multiplayer which is an interesting idea.

Although this game is a football game in the same way Balatro is a poker game

mohab,

I never understood why they didn't have a mode where you could have multiple players controlling different team members.

Older PES games had that and it was super fun before Konami's pachinko machine addiction lead to the franchise's gradual demise.

Rematch is exclusively multiplayer, yes.

SkunkWorkz,

Even in the 16bit era International Superstar Soccer was a better game than FIFA.

Quicky,

SWOS FTW

littleomid, do games w Rematch review

What a cancerous website on phone.

echodot,

Works fine for me. What’s your problem with it?

littleomid,

Probably android with adblocker? On iOS it’s almost unusable. Over 50% of screen at any time is covered with ads.

monkeyslikebananas2,

There are ad blockers for iOS

littleomid,

Then please do recommend me one that works. Because neither Adblock nor anything else I tried work well, or at all with Firefox. Doesn’t change the fact the website is extremely unpleasant to use without adblockers.

Quicky,

I use Wipr on Safari on iOS. It’s not perfect, but nothing is.

monkeyslikebananas2,

I have ad block pro and I also use a VPN that offers ad blocking.

afansfw,

Vivaldi browser has one built-in. It doesn’t always work and some websites just block you for using adblocker, but at least this article looked fine in it with no ads.

Tetsuo, do games w Rematch review

I’m tempted to try it out as an avid Rocket League player.

I’m just not sure there is something in Rematch that I cannot already get somehow in Rocket League.

ChicoSuave,

“What a save!”

I can think of a few things RL has that can’t be found in Rematch. Yet.

vxx,

There’s enough toxicity in Rematch already. You can just spam “good job” instead.

What i’ve noticed subjectively is, that RL has become more mature and less toxic since the release of Rematch.

Maybe all the toxic kids are trying Rematch now and the old farts stayed.

Quicky,

I’ll dispute that. Fired up Rocket League for the first time in a few months yesterday after a couple of hours of Rematch. First game I got into was constant abuse from a teammate against the other two of us on the team. Finished the match with double his points and still got called trash because we lost.

Tbh though I love it. Makes me laugh thinking about how angry the guy must be getting while playing.

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