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Zarxrax, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect

A ship sounds a lot less exciting than a city.

ms_lane,

*Unless it’s a murder-mystery, but then Train > Ship

Broadfern, do games w PuffPals: Island Skies, a cosy game that earned $2.5 million on Kickstarter, has been slammed with refund requests after its website and online store disappeared
@Broadfern@lemmy.world avatar

Isn’t part of the Kickstarter ToS that you understand there’s a chance the project won’t come to fruition?

EarMaster,
@EarMaster@lemmy.world avatar

It is, but hear me out: There is a difference between failing with a reason and failing silently - and seemingly with no reason. I don’t know this project and I don’t know what happened and how the creators handled this, but I have been on Kickstarter since it came to life and I have seen projects with poor communication fail and everyone was furious and I have seen projects fail who managed to communicate their struggles to their investors very well and they didn’t get overrun with refund requests. I know it is hard to admit problems and finally failure, but it has to be part of the progress.

KoboldCoterie, do games w Starbreeze says sorry, reverses price increase on Payday 2 DLC bundle: 'We definitely didn't handle this right'
@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I actually like these “DLC Subscription” type things, particularly for older games with tons of DLC. There’s a huge barrier to entry for someone trying to pick up an older game, and being able to pay $5 or $10 and ‘demo’ all of the DLC for a month is a nice way to see what’s worth buying or if the game is even going to have enough longevity to make buying the DLC worth it.

Obviously when it’s accompanied by a huge increase in the price of the DLC, it sours it considerably, but at its core, the subscription itself is not a bad thing.

Wildmimic,

Yeah, i agree on that; when i heard that i thought about jumping in for a month and playing it again; it actually is pretty fun, but it’s simply too expensive to buy in. I would be happy if other games with lots of DLC or expensive DLC considered something similar; Paradox games are the first thing that come to mind, but there’s other stuff like Rimworld where you can drop 100 Bucks on expansions that i simply do not have.

BurgerBaron, (edited ) do games w Everyone thinks the Deus Ex remaster looks awful and they're right: 'They really turned those 1999 graphics into 2003 graphics'
@BurgerBaron@piefed.social avatar

Actually I’ll just leave it at this is both hideous and insulting.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

But the release date will be current year so idiots will buy it over the original.

They will more than likely remove the OG from the store and have the remaster replace it.

LiveLM,

You really think so? Shit, brb, picking up a copy.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Hate to break it to you, but this usually also comes with a forced update to your OG copy. At least, Bethesda and Nightdive have been doing that a lot.

LiveLM,

It’s on GOG, and currently 50% off too!

Passerby6497, do games w Everyone thinks the Deus Ex remaster looks awful and they're right: 'They really turned those 1999 graphics into 2003 graphics'

At what point are companies going to chase free advertising like this? Seems like an easy way to farm good will by pulling a sonic and putting out bad/early art, then replacing with final assets later?

Hubi,
@Hubi@feddit.org avatar

The management of the Deus Ex franchise has been bungled and set up for failure so many times. But this is definitely the most egregious one yet.

_cryptagion, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect
@_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus avatar

That’s, uh, a bold play.

7toed,

And uh its YOUR fault, so uh don’t buy our game? Wait wait - do buy our game, but you should feel bad

SkunkWorkz, (edited ) do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?

Yeah seems like the writer of the PC Gamer article doesn’t understand what VAT is.

To laymen like you and I, this situation probably seems pretty open and shut. If you make money on something, you pay taxes on it.

Yeah VAT is not a tax on money made. VAT is a tax that is applied to a transaction for goods and service between a business and a consumer. VAT is a tax that the consumer pays. The business only collects it and has the obligation to pay it to the tax services. So even if a business makes zero profit they still need to pay the VAT they collected.

The question here was if RuneScape gold is a product or if it is legal tender. If it was legal tender then you don’t pay VAT on it, similar to when if you trade one currency to another VAT is not applied.

MBech,

If Runescape gold is legal tender, do I have to pay taxes on my earnings from my Zulrah grind?

SkunkWorkz,

Probably income tax or a gambling tax like what you’d pay if you win money one a game show. But there is a threshold, so tax free for small earnings.

commiunism,

Yeah, that’s why they added the GE tax

brsrklf,

The question here was if RuneScape gold is a product or if it is legal tender. If it was legal tender then you don’t pay VAT on it, similar to when if you trade one currency to another VAT is not applied.

Even if they went that way (good luck with that), doesn’t that mean farming gold regularly and for profit should still be registered as a professional activity? Or at least the result of it declared as revenue?

I don’t think they want that.

SkunkWorkz,

Of course he still needs to pay income tax. But that’s something else from VAT.

Dyskolos,

Speaks greatly for the quality of pcgamer. Guess the schools in the USA aren’t the very best.

mushroomman_toad,

to be fair, I don’t think any US state has VAT.

Dyskolos,

AFAIK they do? Different even in every state.

elephantium,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

Many US states have sales tax, but I don’t think it counts as VAT.

Dyskolos,

Ah right, just a sales-tax. I should’ve shut up 😁

Thorry,

The real genius behind VAT is that it isn’t just applied to transactions between business and consumer, but to all transactions. The rule is normally very simple, it’s applied to all transactions, with few exceptions. The rate can vary, but those rules are also usually very simple. The trick is: When a business has a transaction with another business, VAT is still applied, but the selling party has to levy the tax and forward it to the government and the purchasing party can ask the government to give back the tax they paid on the transaction.

This may seem a bit convoluted, where the tax goes through the government only to end up back in the business. But this ensures the tax is applied always. Normally a profitable company would sell their products for more than the components they purchased. The difference between these two is the value added. And by getting back less from the purchases as what they have to pay for sales, the tax is only applied to the value added. And for consumers it functions as a sales tax, being applied to all transactions and no way around it.

This system is way harder to mess with than any other form of sales tax. The rules are simple with few exceptions and thus very easy to reinforce. It’s also a more fair system, where each party in the chain pays a part instead of the consumer paying for all of it.

In the end the consumer pays most, but as the taxes are supposed to be used to make their lives better, it seems like a fair deal? Now if you have a government that’s more about filling their own pockets than actually doing what they need to do to improve the lives of the people living there, well then you are going to have a bad day. But that doesn’t happen in civilized countries right?

Tetsuo,

VAT fraud is harder but my god when some people achieved it they pretty much unlocked a money spawn glitch IRL…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_trader_fraud?wprov=…

Thorry,

Yeah EU VAT opened up a whole can of issues. It’s super complicated and annoying, with all sorts of weird exceptions. The exact opposite of what VAT was supposed to be. EU countries should have just gotten their shit together instead of this patch work.

I’ve actually seen that fraud in action. People used to ship around huge amounts of phones and CPUs, because they were high value, but took up very little room. A truck full of pallets of tray CPUs could be worth a huge amount.

I think now most of the holes are patched. But for a while there were special rules surrounding phones and CPUs just because they were often used in the fraud scheme.

UltraGiGaGigantic, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?
@UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml avatar
yetAnotherUser,

Earning 400,000€ in two years makes you part of the 1% though?? Where else would this guy be? Upper middle class?

Dasus, (edited )
@Dasus@lemmy.world avatar

Okay that’s not nothing but 200 000€ / year is hardly top 1% in EU, I think.

This is what slop gave me:

Based on available data on income distribution in Europe, a rough estimate for a gross annual individual salary to be in the top 1% across the EU would likely fall above €200,000.

When I asked how much you’d need to make in a year to be in EU top 1%. Didn’t even mention 200 000.

So yeah upper class but not necessarily top 1%. In Lithuania they’re probably top1% but not on the EU level.

Sorry for being pedantic, you were close enough tho

yetAnotherUser,

According to the German (I have not found an EU equivalent) office for statistics, you are part of the top 1% of full-time workers if you earn >213,286€ per year:

www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/…/PD25_134_621.html

Sure, this doesn’t include billionaires who don’t work but there just aren’t enough of them to matter. It’s not like there are hundreds of thousands billionaires in Germany.

Someplaceunknown, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?
@Someplaceunknown@leminal.space avatar

RuneScape still exists?

crumbguzzler5000,

Yer god damn right it does! Nostalgia is a helluva drug.

commiunism,

OSRS is legit on its way to become bigger than it was in 2007 on miniclip days, it broke 250k players recently I believe, there’s also been a WoW streamer exodus towards OSRS too

So yes

truthfultemporarily, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?

This is actually really interesting!

This taxable individual, Kokott explains, was found to have bought and resold through “various forums, groups, and platforms such as Facebook, Discord, and Skype” enough RuneScape gold to earn €415,484—approximately $488,000 USD—between 2021 and 2023.

They then were ordered to backpay VAT because they made above 45k. Defendant says trading virtual currencies is like trading crypto, and VAT exempt. Government says its like selling a voucher instead.

Its corner cases like this one that make taxes complicated for regular people.

I also find it hilarious that tax lawyers and accountants will have to read that court decision.

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Shit, sounds like I should set up some runescape bots to sell gold, even if I only get like 10k USD a year, that’s doubling my income

ordnance_qf_17_pounder, do games w EU tax officials confront the most pressing legal question of our time: If you sell RuneScape gold to someone and they use it to buy a magic sword, do you still have to pay taxes?

Can I get taxed if I buy a gf for 25k?

SkunkWorkz, (edited )

Yeah you pay VAT because you are buying a service. But your “gf” has to collect it and pay it to the tax agency.

meldrik,

You don’t pay VAT on a personal transaction though. But the girlfriend would probably have to pay income tax.

daniskarma,

We should know if the gf is selling herself as a second hand sale or if it’s a recurring economic activity. If so, she should register in VAT and collect it.

(Legality of that economic activity may differ by country)

ViatorOmnium,

Depending on the country, and depending on the gift, yes. Though it’s mostly not enforced.

SalamenceFury, do games w Nintendo reportedly gets even more obnoxious about patent law by taking a 'mods aren't real games' stance against a Dark Souls 3 mod that could invalidate its Palworld lawsuit
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

Counter-Strike being the most popular PC game in the planet must be a figment of my own imagination, then.

psx_crab,

Can’t believe Valve didn’t make real game. CS, TF2, DOTA2, all fake.

answersplease77, do games w Ubisoft's Saudi-funded Assassin's Creed DLC provokes staff unrest, but the publisher insists partnering with the controversial regime is A-OK

It’s fucking important for any gamer with a shred of concious humanity to boycott this game and make it fail.

The money this game was funded by comes directly and only from blooded oppression of a dictatorship. From forced unpresented taxes and bloody oil money of terrorisim. They beheaded and killed all their human-right activist citizens and protestors who tried to ask for their share that went to this game.

cheesorist,

mmm some mighty fine propaganda and racims you have there

answersplease77,

racism?!? what are you talking about ?? are you replying to my comment?!?

mlg, do games w Nintendo reportedly gets even more obnoxious about patent law by taking a 'mods aren't real games' stance against a Dark Souls 3 mod that could invalidate its Palworld lawsuit
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Team Fortress was a quake mod

Half Life used a modded version of the quake engine

Counter Strike was a Half Life mod

L4D was a Counter Strike mod

Gary’s Mod is literally just a game revolving around you modding the Source Game Engine

Seems legit Nintendo.

dual_sport_dork, (edited )
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s one that’ll hit them closer to home: The original Donkey Kong is literally a mod for the earlier Radar Scope cabinets. Nintendo had better hope they don’t wind up with any video game nerds in any juries or they’re going to open a can of worms on themselves that they really don’t want to have wriggling all over their lap.

Dyskolos, do games w Ubisoft's Saudi-funded Assassin's Creed DLC provokes staff unrest, but the publisher insists partnering with the controversial regime is A-OK

Ugh. Cram your propaganda where the sun won’t shine. So glad to have not bought mirage yet. And now I surely won’t. Despite me liking the ubi games. Yeah I said it, now downvote me like hell for it 😁

TallonMetroid,
@TallonMetroid@lemmy.world avatar

If you’d like to don your eyepatch and tricorn, a dev build (ie Denuvo-less) of v1.0.6 got leaked last November.

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