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blave, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm

It’s nice to know he’s a pathological liar right off the bat

ech, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm

They all value money over everything else, so that tracks.

edgemaster72, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm
@edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t change what doesn’t exist

teft, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm
CityPop, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm

They’re both aligned on fucking over people for profit.

theywilleatthestars, do games w EA CEO says company values will 'remain unchanged' under the new ownership of Saudi Arabia and Jared Kushner's investment firm

Even if true not particularly encouraging

BryceBassitt, do games w Everyone thinks the Deus Ex remaster looks awful and they're right: 'They really turned those 1999 graphics into 2003 graphics'

Its getting controller support so im excited for it

ampersandrew, do games w Everyone thinks the Deus Ex remaster looks awful and they're right: 'They really turned those 1999 graphics into 2003 graphics'
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but 2003 graphics are an improvement on 1999 graphics.

Hubi,
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That may be true but it’s really not worth the effort if it comes with the loss of the original aesthetics and art direction IMO.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

There should be exactly the toggle that the article asks for given this criticism. I don’t know how likely it is, because it seems like whatever engine they fed this game into just handles lighting very differently. Deus Ex is a great game, but I’m personally of the opinion that it’s quite ugly, and just about anything you do to the graphics are an improvement. The mod that the article compares it to doesn’t look better, just slightly different. In either case, the reason that both look better than the original, and why we pulled out the year 2003, is that the technology in cutting edge graphics didn’t really change until mid-to-late 2004, and the advancements in between were basically just more polygons and better textures, which is all you can reasonably expect in a remaster. More than that is a lot more work and gets you into remake territory.

Daveyborn,
@Daveyborn@lemmy.world avatar

I liked the halo ce anniversary approach. I think it was one button to swap between old and new.

Sonotsugipaa,

Ironically H:CEA is the worst offender of remasters that completely miss the original art style and makes everything uglier and… uncannier? Less canny?

LunarLoony,
@LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Halo 2 Anniversary, though…!

Sonotsugipaa,

Halo 2 is the opposite, the remastered version does have some things that rub me the wrong way (like human faces) and some choices that baffle me (like the once opaque glass at the beginning of The Oracle, y’know the one) but other than that it’s one of the best remastered games out there.

… visually speaking. I don’t like the brand new music tracks they added over the licensed ones.

Katana314,

The excuse doesn’t work well when “retro 3D” games are actively being made by indie devs today.

As long as it’s a uniform aesthetic aimed for and achieved by the devs, it can survive a long time. I’d say just as much of GTA: SA and a lot of Nintendo games.

It also goes to show that a lot of tactical/modern Xbox / 360 games never really had any stylistic imitators in the modern era, and for good reason.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

What excuse? I was stating an objective fact.

TemplaerDude,

Then we should be paying for this like it’s a 2003 game. Two bucks.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, that’s fair. If you already have the old version of the game, this one’s going to have limited appeal for you, most likely. As is the case with most remasters.

FartMaster69,

They really aren’t.

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I never played the original. But it doesn’t look good. This looks polished, but still retro. I’m actually interested in trying it out.

chonglibloodsport, do games w Everyone thinks the Deus Ex remaster looks awful and they're right: 'They really turned those 1999 graphics into 2003 graphics'

I’m honestly quite tired of remasters. Why can’t we see some new original games?

The original Deus Ex is this bizarre mixture of jank, camp, and sheer brilliance. So much of what made the game amazing was unintentional and contingent with the era. A remaster is never going to be able to recapture that lightning in a bottle. It’s always going to be soulless.

Regrettable_incident, (edited )
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

TBH I am happy they’re remastering some older games. I missed out on a lot of stuff because I was doing other things when a lot of highly regarded games came out (sold my PS1 to buy crack). So I’ve recently got a steam deck and played bioshock - really enjoyed it - and system shock is in my queue. I’m not sure I’d have been so keen to try them if they’d had the original graphics, that shit looks so dated now. But yeah, maybe they’re taking the remaster thing a bit too far.

abbotsbury,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

The Enhanced Edition for System Shock makes it perfectly suitable for anyone used to FPS controls, the “remaster” changes so much that it is hardly the same game.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Ah interesting. I’ll be playing on a steam deck, which edition would you recommend?

KingThrillgore, (edited )
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Well in that case, the Remaster. Enhanced edition is fine in a lot of ways but its torture with a controller because you have to switch out of FPS view to use the MFDs a lot. Play the new and shiny.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Cool, cheers for the heads up. Yeah it’s on my list, I’ll get to it soon. I just gotta finish cyberpunk, then play Dishonored, then I’m thinking system shock is next.

abbotsbury,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

Steam deck has the mouse pad, no? Still not as good as a real mouse, but the one on my steam controller was the perfect bridge for playing mouse games with a controller.

abbotsbury,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

Enhanced Edition is by far the best way to play System Shock, it’s controls are a little mouse centric, but the mouse pad on the steam deck should be plenty suitable for mouse things like playing an audio log. Other than that, EE lets you control it like a typical FPS and you can bind controls for switching weapons and whatnot to avoid the UI

If you want to play System Shock, the OG or EE is the only way to get the real experience, IMO the remaster sanded away many of the parts that made it unique (while adding some that make it less unique, like a crafting system for some reason?) to the point that it kinda loses its identity

duhlieluh,

yo my dad sold my ps1 to buy crack, so same basically.

Venator,

Maybe Regrettable_incident is your dad…

duhlieluh,

holy fuck

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah sorry about that kiddo. What can I say, I needed a fuckin pipe.

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

I’m probably old enough. And I did have a yummy mummy phase a couple decades back. So it’s not impossible.

Btw I can dispense fatherly advice, but no fuckin cash!

chonglibloodsport,

The original Deus Ex is perfectly playable today as long as you follow a guide to get it patched up and configured for a modern system. Plus it runs at a rock steady frame rate on any PC today, whereas it didn’t at the time of release (it was very laggy, buggy, and crashed a lot).

The game is definitely meant for mouse and keyboard though. You need some very high precision aiming and a steady hand to cope with the scope wobble (unless you train to master level).

Regrettable_incident,
@Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I never played that either. I’m up for giving it a go, though. But I’m not great at precision controls, now I’m getting old my reactions aren’t so quick and my hands are pretty wrecked. But yeah there’s lots of old games I’ve missed out on and I’m enjoying catching up. Plus some of the new stuff is incredible for someone who was raised on 8 bit graphics.

chonglibloodsport,

Oh you don’t need quick reactions for Deus Ex. It can be played in a very slow and methodical way. It’s just that you need precision to get the most out of the sniper scopes (which can be used on multiple weapons).

DarkAri,

The nameless mod is very good btw. A bit on the funny side but full of cool content. It’s an entirely new world and story created from scratch.

magusfungus,

There’s never been such an abundance of games and consoles as there is now. There are more games than anyone could ever play, both new and old. Releasing another poorly made remaster doesn’t mean no ones making new original games. I don’t think there hasn’t been a year I didn’t play an original, engaging and creative new video game. It’s literally the golden age of gaming.

Joxnir,

The only caveat is you have to mostly avoid AAA and other cheap trend seekers to find refreshing gaming experiences. But otherwise, I agree with you.

magusfungus,

Totally. There are some excellent AAA developers too (e.g. Naughty Dog, Remedy, Santa Monica, FromSoft, Kojima) but I’d say the biggest surprises for me have come from AA studios and indie developers – Animal Well, Clair Obscur, Returnal, Silksong, Crypt Custodian, Celeste, to name a few. I mean, there are tons of crappy indie games too, but the amount of creativity and quality in the indie scene is stunning.

BastingChemina,

The diversity and quantity of videogames accessible today is crazy.

SaharaMaleikuhm,

Capitalism. Remasters are easy money. Originals are risky investments. It’s always about the money.

4am,

Also the original Deus Ex is not easy for non-techie games to just pick up and play. Unless you own old hardware (collector nerds) or you can negotiate the jank on modern hardware (techie nerds) then many old titles are just not accessible.

I think a game like Deus Ex that people still talk about as a classic deserve remasters.

And who knows, maybe Deus Ex has to look like shit in order to be itself? It’s not supposed to be a remake; a remaster just means 1) works on modern hardware, with modern controllers/OSes and 2) most if not all game mechanics, plot lines, level designs, etc feel and play as they originally did, with the exception that there might be some bug fixes or QoL changes to prevent things that are universally agreed upon as being bad/unnecessary.

What I’m getting at is - is it Deus Ex if it doesn’t look janky and weird?

vonxylofon,

I’m not sure it’s going to be soulless, but the problem is that the main premise is the government of highly competent psychopaths manufactures an emergency to gain total power, while the population withers. A cautionary tale, if you will.

The thing is that in reality, the government of highly incompetent psychopaths is gaining total power absolutely unopposed, while half the population applauds.

That would make the remake sound positively cozy.

DarkAri,

When the game came out it was very accurate. The vast majority of people distrusted the state, but now they have the algorithms.

chonglibloodsport,

The original game has plenty of characters who are true believers in the government lie: the UNATCO soldiers, the mech agents, and even multiple civilians who either work for or support the government.

The main resistance force, the NSF (Northwest Sessionist Forces), is pretty controversial among the public. People seem to be split between viewing them as terrorists or heroes. Not unlike the way people view antifa in real life!

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

Making something new means taking a risk. Maybe it won’t sell well. So it’s more beneficial to profits to re-make something that has already proven its worth.

That’s how modern AAA devs operate. That’s why every AAA game in a franchise feels pretty much the same. And that’s why indie and AA games are far superior.

prime_number_314159,

“AAA” gaming began as a reference to the “AAA” creditworthiness rating, meaning (essentially) “certain to repay the loan” // “certain to earn more than the development costs” (contrarespectively). AAA gaming has always been about the safe bet, the easy money, and the tailored to mass market design.

High budget games can only have so much ROI, so there’s kind of implicitly a limit on how much risk is tolerable for investors/publishers. Meanwhile, a game that costs a few million (or even less) could be the next big success, and rake in a massive sum - enough to justify its own budget in addition to many failed attempts to craft a star.

Even more risky is indie gaming, where the cost of development is provided by crazy people that want to produce “fun”, and gain money as some kind of (important) side effect. That’s where you get the wild “no one (in the know) would expect this to work” ideas, and most of them do fail, just as expected. The ones that are good enough to make it are by nature surprisingly good - indeed, this surprise is why publishers won’t go after the same concept under most conditions.

prole,

I really liked Human Revolution.

Never finished Mankind Divided though

Hubi,
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Mankind Divided was the best Deus Ex since the original tbh. Such a shame that we’ll never get a sequel.

jaemo,

For sure. It was great. I’ve played every entry in the series and those 2 are the memorable ones.

Invisible war was awful but the hellfire boltcaster was immensely fun to use on the Templars lol.

Dumhuvud,
@Dumhuvud@programming.dev avatar

Never finished Mankind Divided though

Neither did Eidos-Montréal, apparently.

grrgyle,

Nice.

chonglibloodsport,

I played some of Human Revolution but I didn’t like the grind-factor (nor did I like the weird forced boss fights).

The original Deus Ex was so beautiful for the way you gained exploration and progress experience for finding secrets and accomplishing goals. Replacing that with a more “RPG-like” system that rewards hacking every single computer and doing non-lethal takedowns on every single enemy totally ruined it for me.

prole,

The gameplay of HR wasn’t perfect, but I really enjoyed the story. At least at the time. I imagine it holds up pretty well, but I really cannot say

capuccino, do games w Nintendo reportedly gets even more obnoxious about patent law by taking a 'mods aren't real games' stance against a Dark Souls 3 mod that could invalidate its Palworld lawsuit
@capuccino@lemmy.world avatar

a videogame isn’t a big mod out of an engine? Like, GTA V, is a mod of RAGE engine?

Matriks404,

It depends how mod is made. If it depends on a base content of a game, it’s generally a mod for that game. That’s what Counter-Strike and DOTA for example was at first (they required Half-Life, and Warcraft 3 base files respectively).

If you make a game for a specific engine, it’s generally considered as a standalone game, not a mod. Also in olden days code for the engine and the game wasn’t separated so you couldn’t easily reuse the game engine. AFAIK Id Software was one of the first companies that made reusable game engines that were also licensed to other companies, and even made map editor available for free.

NONE_dc, do games w Nintendo reportedly gets even more obnoxious about patent law by taking a 'mods aren't real games' stance against a Dark Souls 3 mod that could invalidate its Palworld lawsuit
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

Every day I am more convinced that someone made a wish to the monkey paw for Nintendo to do something about Palworld, and now we are where we are.

bassomitron,

I truly don’t understand why anyone gave a fuck about Nintendo caring about Palworld.

JayGray91,

There’s a group of citizens of a nation that supports what Nintendo doing to Palworld devs. Back when I read the noise on Xitter when Nintendo first filed against Palworld, lots of Japanese support it because something something disrespect or some bullshit. It sickens me that they are just lying belly up drinking the shit Nintendo puts out and trying to snuff competition

mugita_sokiovt, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect
@mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online avatar

This is called renting… not purchasing for ownership.

Katana314,

Unfortunately, there are some very celebrated games that commit to this approach. Final Fantasy XIV and WoW keep getting away with it, and there are others.

Of course, they had to work for a long time to earn that pedigree and price tag. This certainly has not.

Bbbbbbbbbbb,

And other celebrated games, Everquest, are 100% free to play up to the most recent 2 expansions. There is a paid subscription that unlocked slightly more powerful spells, quick alternate ability progression, and…i dont remember… You can pay about $10 for the quick ability progression instantly but the spells are unimportant. You could also just buy the expansions without subscriptions, or you could just wait a year for your next free dosage of content. Hell theres enough content free for a few years of play without needing to buy anything.

TrousersMcPants,

FF14 is also free to play for the first several expansions to be fair

ArchmageAzor,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

FFXIV has certainly earned it over the years, and in the case of WoW, isn’t it only the most recent expac that costs extra? I think you get all the previous ones, and WoW Classic, for just subscribing.

snugglesthefalse,

Tbh with FFXIV you only have to buy the 2? Most recent expacs and you can play free up to 70/100 and the accompanying story stuff without. It doesn’t do the limited time free trial anymore.

Evotech,

These are games that require constant development though.

mugita_sokiovt,
@mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online avatar

I don’t think that matters. The should’ve made it a one-time purchase, DRM free, no P2W, no macrotransactions. More people are becoming old-school about their gaming needs nowadays, and I for one happened to be in that camp.

SlartyBartFast, do games w Would-be City of Heroes successor, Ship of Heroes, decides to launch the MMO with a $45 price tag and a $15 monthly subscription and it's, er, going about as well as you'd expect

Ok but when we gonna get a new Ultima Online?

zod000,

For real, now THAT would be something I’d get behind.

Kolanaki, (edited )
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

Y’all ain’t heard of Shroud of the Avatar? It’s new UO. Except not good. :(

rigatti,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

I was really excited for that game and donated to the Kickstarter. Played it for a bit in one of the early releases, and it seemed kind of promising despite being very broken at the time. Booted it up a few years later and it was somehow way worse of an experience. What a huge mess of a game.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I actually won a raffle they had because I signed up to their newsletter as soon as I heard about the game, so I have a bunch of merch for a thing I don’t even like lol

SlartyBartFast,

Your last three words describe my experience trying Shroud entirely, sadly… it just ain’t the same

SoleInvictus,

Especially if someone gets to assassinate Lord British again.

Binturong, do games w Everyone thinks the Deus Ex remaster looks awful and they're right: 'They really turned those 1999 graphics into 2003 graphics'

I bet there’s modpacks out there that make the game look 100 times better than this remaster.

ICastFist,
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One of them is even linked in the article lol

MoreZombies, do games w Starbreeze says sorry, reverses price increase on Payday 2 DLC bundle: 'We definitely didn't handle this right'

Starbreeze rolling back bad decisions and pretending they didn’t know? What is this? A Tuesday?

DeathsEmbrace,

They’re experimenting with new income practices

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