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redwattlebird, do games w Itch.io is delisting NSFW games due to pressure from payment processors
@redwattlebird@lemmings.world avatar

Goddamn cookers the lot of them. Perhaps I’ll make an abortion game on Itch in protest.

Psythik,

“Cookers”?

redwattlebird,
@redwattlebird@lemmings.world avatar

Local slang word that derives from “their brains are fried/not working” which also implies stupidity and fanatical adherence to things like religion, anti abortion, anti vax, and the like.

madsen, do games w Itch.io is delisting NSFW games due to pressure from payment processors

I wonder who major porn sites use as payment processors? (I don’t know the answer, I’m just saying…)

NateNate60,
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Most of the large ones only take bank transfers and cryptocurrency now.

reagansrottencorpse, do games w Check out the results of 🔥 Fuck Capitalism Jam 2024 🔥 for some great indie games and media projects

Lol @ “centrist simulator”

Wxnzxn,
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Fun fact: The designer almost went with “Cool Centrist Clicker”, they have a devlog about it.

Fizz, do gaming w Palestinian Relief Bundle - Itch.io
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Isn’t Isreal blocking all aid into gaza?

Faydaikin,
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From the few snippets I’ve seen, they have downright been killing aid workers. It’s so fucked.

Doods,

The only aid that could actually help is buying Palestinians guns, carried by people who know how to use them.

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

If history has taught us anything, it’s that just giving guns to people is a terrible idea.

Doods,

Ok, I see your point.

How about sending trained soldiers and cooperating with Hamas?

Or more easily, stopping trade with Israel?

Or more easily and more profitably, stopping weapon donations to Israel at the very least?

I am not speaking to you personally, but if people stop talking about things they become forgotten, so here I am speaking.

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Diplomacy is usually the way to go.

I realize that this is a foreign concept for Americans, but yes. The stopping of trade or even the threat of such, is a powerful tool indeed. And there is so many options within that concept that doesn’t involve arming every man, woman and child to the teeth and just letting them go at each other until something is resolved.

Because looking at the countries that encourage such, we see that things just tend to get even more complicated. More complicated and more violent.

Doods, (edited )

US defaultism detected on Lemmic soil, lethal force engaged.

I find diplomacy hard when one side has been going for complete annihilation of Palestinians, which is only a logical continuation of a 3/4 century long conflict.

And that one side includes almost every governemnt, including the Palestinian “governemnt”.

But sure, diplomacy’s great, if they stopped attacking tommorow, retreated, and said they want to negotiate, and somehow had sufficient evidence to prove that it isn’t a trick, and that they reflected and regretted half a century of genocide in 1 day, I would advocate for their diplomatic attempt.

Random rant of the day: A few months ago I read an article that said: “after Hamas killed thousands of civilians on the 6th of October”; at the time Israel was doing its thing for at least a week and their ‘reported’ kill count wasn’t even a thousand yet, I hate these liars.

DdCno1, do gaming w Palestinian Relief Bundle - Itch.io

It’s very disappointing to see this site funnel funds towards a highly questionable organization with close ties to Hamas and other terrorist organizations:

ngo-monitor.org/…/palestine_children_s_relief_fun…

derbis,

Ngo monitor is right wing bullshit with zero credibility.

Onihikage,
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It’s very disappointing to see someone come to a post about a game bundle to support Palestine only to uncritically surface claims from a site with a blatant pro-Israel, pro-Zionism bias. Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing. Zionism is a sect of Judaism characterized by an extreme ethnic nationalist doctrine (with expected bedfellows). NGO Monitor repeats the utter nonsense that being Anti-Zionist or Anti-Israel is somehow anti-Semitic. It’s not - the earliest anti-Zionists were Jews. The idea that being against or critical of Zionism is the same as being racist against Jews is an absurd fiction pushed by Zionist foreign policy in order to insulate Israel from all forms of criticism; sadly, it seems to be working. In any case, I’m not inclined to believe one word printed by NGO Monitor where Israel or Palestine are involved.

LassCalibur,

Wikipedia states that NGO Monitor’s focus is to “End promotion of ‘politically and ideologically motivated anti-Israel agendas’ by certain NGOs,” that they report “on international NGO activity from a pro-Israel perspective,” and that a former online communication editor employed with the group was indefinitely banned for biased editing. Personally I’m more inclined to trust a Wikipedia article with 75 sources unless there is substantial evidence to the contrary.

bartolomeo,

Yes and check the page of the founder & president of NGO Monitor, Gerald Steinberg:

Yehudit Karp, a former Israeli deputy attorney general, charged that Steinberg published material he knew to be wrong “along with some manipulative interpretation”.[21]

Reporter Uriel Heilman said that Steinberg played “fast and loose” with the facts by repeating comments about the New Israel Fund that Steinberg knew were untrue. In response, Steinberg acknowledged that some of his reports were poorly phrased and promised to correct them.[22]

In The Jerusalem Post, Kenneth Roth wrote that Steinberg shows a “disregard for basic facts” when writing about human rights.

bartolomeo,

Critical thinking is not your forté my man.

DdCno1,

I’m usually accused of questioning things too much and overdoing it, so I’m not sure what to make of your attempt at trying to insult me.

I also find it peculiar that none of you decided to actually read the page and the many individual pieces of evidence that support the claim that this supposed aid organization has fundamental issues, but instead shoot the messenger (either me or NGO Watch).

bartolomeo, (edited )

Don’t you do some background checks on the sources you read & quote? Or do you tend to follow the herd? Here’s some info from Wikipedia on the founder & president of NGO Monitor, Gerald Steinberg:

Yehudit Karp, a former Israeli deputy attorney general, charged that Steinberg published material he knew to be wrong “along with some manipulative interpretation”.[21]

Reporter Uriel Heilman said that Steinberg played “fast and loose” with the facts by repeating comments about the New Israel Fund that Steinberg knew were untrue. In response, Steinberg acknowledged that some of his reports were poorly phrased and promised to correct them.[22]

In The Jerusalem Post, Kenneth Roth wrote that Steinberg shows a “disregard for basic facts” when writing about human rights.

Imagine how hateful and depraved you would have to be to pay tons of money to Google Ads to promote your page and agenda to deceptively block people from donating money to those in need. That’s NGO Monitor and that’s what you’re supporting.

Edit: I’m sure you’re also very interested to find out the facts behind Israel’s accusations of UNRWA workers so here’s the latest:

theguardian.com/…/israel-unrwa-staff-terrorist-li…

NocturnalMorning, (edited ) do games w TIL you can remove tags such as horror from itch.io using ?exclude=tg.horror in the url.

I never understood why itch.io had so many horror games. Once a year I will make a Spooky game around Halloween, but they’re never that spooky, just Halloween themed usually.

NotSteve_,

I think it’s because horror’s a fairly easy genre to get into. It’s the same reason there’s a lot of indie horror movies I’d imagine

NocturnalMorning,

I dunno, I suck at horror. Every time I try to do horror it turns out. not. that.

NotSteve_,

Haha I guess it’s also an easy tag to apply to nearly anything. Slightly dark theme? Horror. Mildly upsetting? Horror. Involves a monster of some kind? Also horror.

NakariLexfortaine,

“Horror” is easy. Dim lighting, spooky creature, feelings of powerlessness(such as limited view, limited to no combat capabilities, restrictions like a stamina meter, the like).

GOOD horror is hard. Good horror is the kind that sticks around with you, leaves you feeling uneasy even after the end. That takes talent, creativity, and genuinely, a bit of bravery. It takes understanding what makes us feel afraid. Facing your own fears, making them a reality, distorting that reality into how it makes you feel.

Silent Hill, at least the first three, are exemplary for this, in my opinion. They explore the fear, but also the sadness, the anger, the confusion. Everything fear brings with it. It molds itself around the characters, letting us experience those emotions as they do. They can be genuinely visually unsettling, then swing the psychological side of things right at you.

Hell, you can even have that and hit a bit of a power fantasy. Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth manages to have early moments where the tension keeps rising because you are basically powerless to stand and fight, to manning the guns later on.

Not everyone has the spark for good horror. It’s not a bad thing, just means it’s not your strength.

FunkyMonk,

My theory is that because the real intention is 'to not see the thing but build suspense of the unknown' makes people think it will be easy because they are designing things not to be stared at intently but only flashed at the user quickly.

brsrklf,

For the bottom of the barrel part of it (not good horror) it’s also probably the easiest reaction you can get.

A jumpscare can be as easy as a sudden full screen gif. Good luck trying to provoke any other kind of feeling like that.

iAmTheTot,
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Because of the number of Youtubers/influencers who play indie horror.

Cocodapuf, do games w Itch.io California Fire Relief Bundle - 422 items (187 digital games) for $10

This is… A whole lot of games.

I did love tunic, fantastic game, easily worth that price on its own.

I’ve never played cook serve delicious, but it’s been on my radar. I’ll have to give this a shot. Heh, there are some tabletop games and rulesets on this list, could be some hidden gems in there. Honestly, this is a big enough bundle to be worth just buying on principle, and sorting it out later. So what if I don’t end up playing 400 of these titles, if I end up liking 10, that’s a fabulous deal, and all for charity!

vfsh,

Cool Serve Delicious is tons of fun, my favorite coop cooking game for sure. My wife and I play it constantly

Paradachshund, do gaming w We have been pirated; we're a real game studio now! · by Safety Stoat Studios (December 04, 2024)

I learned when I released an unsuccessful mobile game a couple years ago that there are apparently automated piracy sites out there. I say that because we found a seemingly hacked version of the game on some sketchy app sites just a week after releasing it (and nobody knew about our game, so I highly doubt it was done by hand).

thingsiplay,

But this game is a physical cartridge for an old console. It’s not just patching and rereleasing in digital form. And it will be shipped in a box. So this is not something that can be automated (at least not by everyone, other than Amazon maybe).

Paradachshund,

Totally agreed on that. Sorry didn’t mean to derail the thread. I just thought someone might be interested to know about the automated stuff.

thingsiplay,

No need for sorry and its understandable. Especially if one of your games or products are stolen or used without the license, and therefor want to bring attention to the subject. I can not even imagine how much automation must exist in the web, that’s only job is to steal and “repackage” data just to sell it on another platform. Happens with videos, with blog posts, with photos, … games… and basically anything one can imagine.

Paradachshund,

I was really shocked at the speed of it. Very surreal experience.

Moonrise2473,

There are a lot of websites that pretend to give you a hacked version but all the download button does is to show more ads. They just automatically fill pages with automatically stolen content from play store

Paradachshund,

Sounds believable. We definitely didn’t download it so I couldn’t say for sure.

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  • Paradachshund,

    Things like apkmirror are doing god’s work as far as I’m concerned. No problems with them at all.

    Pixelguin, (edited ) do games w TIL you can remove tags such as horror from itch.io using ?exclude=tg.horror in the url.

    You can use this userscript to hide multiple tags automatically.

    32 out of 36 games on the main Browse page are tagged “horror,” good grief.

    ms_lane, do games w Itch.io is delisting NSFW games due to pressure from payment processors

    RIP Itch.io

    Choosing short term profits over long term userbase, it’s all downhill from here.

    wizardbeard, (edited )

    Short term profits? How are they supposed to make any profits if payment processors refuse to process payments to them? They can’t just spin up their own fucking payment processor.

    Beyond that, how does limiting the sale of any products make them money?

    I swear, were none of you people paying attention when this happened to the right wing ghouls in the lead up to the 2016 election? Nothing of value was lost (or would have been), but Visa, Mastercard, etc have already shown they aren’t above using their position in the transfer of money to enforce their will.

    Edit: Can’t believe I forgot about the payment processors playing games with Wikileaks. For shame. Would have been a much better example.

    Gibibit,
    @Gibibit@lemmy.world avatar

    Itch players and devs turning against the itch staff instead of the payment processors is like the friggin ouroboros of activism.

    Except an ouroboros can keep going round and round. What these people want would just implode the site in a day.

    ms_lane,

    The short term profits of going SFW only to appease payment processors vs. keeping everything but making it crypto only, which in the short term would be disastrous for income, but in the long term it would recover and they’d have independence from censorship.

    Instead they chose to keep bigger profits and start deleting accounts.

    wizardbeard,

    Tell me again how you’ve not actually read up on the issues with crypto as payment processor.

    This shit has already been tried and the issues discussed at length. I think it was Mullvad that stopped accepting BTC and did an extensive writeup on why.

    In short: the constantly shifting conversion rates make this unsustainable, as even if they accepted payment in crypto, they have to pay their bills in fiat currency. So their choices are to have crypto prices change literally every page load to reflect the exchange rate, or to just eat extra costs when suddenly 0.51btc goes from being worth $5 when the user pays to being worth $1 when they try to use it for anything else. Even with constantly updating prices, the shifting rates screwing them will still happen. The costs associated with even offering it as a payment type outweigh the actual revenue generated by an extreme order of magnitude, and even privacy/crypto oriented storefronts see something like under 1% of users using the option when it’s available.

    And that’s my understanding of the short version.

    There’s a big difference between “prioritizing short term profit” and “committing commercial/financial suicide to make a point”.

    Trainguyrom,

    Heck even friggin Musk stopped accepting crypto to buy Teslas!

    DragonOracleIX,

    Visa/MC make up most of their income. They were given the ultimatum of either banning a small group of games, or losing the ability to process payments almost entirely. Itch is not the problem here.

    bvoigtlaender, (edited ) do games w Itch.io is delisting NSFW games due to pressure from payment processors
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    I’d be okey with that if they pressured itch.io to delist Atmospheric, First-Person, Horror, Psychological \hj

    duchess,

    【liminal】

    Agent_Karyo,
    @Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

    Touche!

    Moonrise2473, do gaming w We have been pirated; we're a real game studio now! · by Safety Stoat Studios (December 04, 2024)

    “for sale in Asia except Japan” => they wrote all the text in Japanese (and latin for the Lorem Ipsum on the back)

    JohnEdwa, do gaming w Palestinian Relief Bundle - Itch.io

    There is also a TTRPGs for Palestine bundle here, though I have issues reaching the site currently, might be a hug of death.

    burgerpocalyse, do games w Itch.io is delisting NSFW games due to pressure from payment processors

    aclu.org/mastercard petition

    Tattorack, do games w TIL you can remove tags such as horror from itch.io using ?exclude=tg.horror in the url.
    @Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, I use this to hide visual novels, otherwise one would drown in them.

    Unfortunately it only works for excluding just one tag, and there are people in the forums, going as far back as 8 bloody years, begging for there to be a proper tag exclusion system.

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