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ampersandrew, do games w Kingdom Come: Deliverance II Has Released on GOG!
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’m playing through the first one right now, in the early hours, and for anyone who’s played this sequel, did they add any quality of life improvements? In theory, I like a lot of what the game’s doing, but when it tells me I need to find a way out of a castle, and it doesn’t let me jump over a short chain barrier, it can be frustrating. I talked to one NPC who I accidentally quickly buttoned through a dialogue with without clicking on the option that clearly would have given me a hint on what to do next, and without reloading a save, I couldn’t get that dialogue option back. There was also another NPC that I found the first time, before reloading a save, who gave me similar advice for how to progress, but due to the schedule system and the lack of any sort of notation built in to the map, I couldn’t find her again, because she wasn’t in the same spot. Things like that are why Avowed was built to be “static”, as much as it got criticism for it, despite most RPGs being built that way to avoid exactly this problem I had with KC:D. (I have since made my way out of the castle, after looking up a walkthrough and save scumming a chest that I had to lockpick, because the tutorial was very bad at teaching me how lockpicking actually worked.)

Viri4thus,

This game is not for you then. It’s OK, you can play something else, like a Ubisoft open world game. They have a dynamic world but also markers for everything so you can button through dialogue. The story is also much simpler than KCD so you don’t have to pay attention. Characters are also quite one dimensional, it’s easy to follow, much like Avowed. Highly advise AC shadows or Mirage.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Some people like Avowed, dude. Let it go.

Viri4thus,

Huh?

Ubi open worlds are more like avowed, better, but with QoL, which is what you asked for. KCD1&2 are not for you. Dunno why the downvotes.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

People generally downvote assholes.

Viri4thus,

Usually assholes are the ones calling names to random strangers.

jwiggler,
@jwiggler@sh.itjust.works avatar

Sure dude but in this case your comment comes off as if you were a huge elitist asshole. I mean, maybe you’re not. It’s just that your comment sounds as if it could be written by one. As if you’re just better than the OP because you can understand the complicated, intricate, dynamic mechanics of a game and OP is just not… whatever… enough to “get it”, and that they should just go play this simpler, one-dimensional, easy game, that they don’t even have to pay attention to.

It’s like you went to see an indie art-house film with your friend, and upon hearing that they didn’t like it as much as you did, you say “that’s okay, you’re probably just not smart enough to get it. Maybe you should just watch Marvel movies from now on.”

Just major, major asshole vibes. And I’m saying this as a KCD stan.

MarcomachtKuchen,

Because you used therms like “simpler” and “one dimensional” which makes your answer seem like you look down on these games and people you enjoy them.

Also your points don’t answer his technical difficulties he had with the game.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

He’s not interested in answering them. I live rent free in his head from a previous thread.

Viri4thus,

When someone asks for QoL to not having to pay attention to dialogue when playing an immersive RPG, clearly, they should be playing a different game, i.e. Assassin’s Creed Shadows, that happens to be really good.

dogslayeggs,

Do you think a new player needs to play KCD1 before playing 2? I’ve never played either and am ready to start a new game.

Viri4thus,

Don’t have to but highly advised to do so. It will contextualise significant parts of the background and character histories. The first one is also a masterpiece, so you should try it out and see if the game type is your cup of tea, with the benefit of a lower upfront investment. If you like it, when you’re done with it, the second one may even be cheaper at the time and you get some more of that warhorse goodness.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

I never played the first one. you get all the backstory in the second. I don’t feel like I missed anything but eventually I’ll go play the first. Maybe if they put it in the engine for 2 because the first looks like crap.

variouslegumes, (edited )

If you really like lore, sure. It’s not necessary. I think the second one is way more polished. I bounced off the first one pretty hard, but I’m still enjoying the 2nd.

DoucheBagMcSwag, (edited )

Whoa woah woe. No need to be a condescending asshole

Blaiz0r,

I’m also playing through the first game at the moment, I’m about halfway through though with the main quest, and taking my time with side quests and activities at the moment.

I’m really enjoying my time with it.

However I completely agree with the person you’re replying to, the game isn’t hard or difficult at the beginning it’s obnoxious, once you understand these systems, which you’ll be lucky to do in-game, you can deal with it and the more you play the more accessible the game becomes, but in the beginning you have to be too efficient and adapt to a very unfamiliar experience.

So this game is for me, and it’s probably for the OP too.

Viri4thus,

Wholeheartedly disagree, these are the same arguments levied against the souls games and yet, it’s that opaqueness and steep learning curve that created such a tight knit and engrossing community. Arguably, some of the best games ever made.

Montagge,

There it is lol

rockerface,

Takes like this is what gives soulslike players a reputation of condescending elitist gatekeepers. They don’t even have a steep learning curve, early souls games are just janky in how they teach the player the basics.

Viri4thus,

Poor victim you.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

This type of comment is why people don’t try new things.

The second game is incredibly difficult and frustrating. I’ve got about 600 hours in it so far. The learning curve is very steep and if you don’t pay attention you might miss easy ways to do quests and you’ll have to murder hobo or save scum. Sometimes I feel like the developers are straight up trolls who do shit intentionally hostile to the user.

That said the game is very rewarding and fun once it clicks. It’s kind of like soulslikes in that regard. You just have to play it to get better at it. AND DON"T CLICK CANCEL THE DIALOG!!!

There is a place for every type of game and every type of gamer. If you are a condescending dick to people they aren’t going to want to try the harder games and you won’t be able to talk to them about how cool the harder games are.

For anyone who wants to actually talk about the game with others who like it come join us at /c/kingdomcomedeliverance.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

For the record, I didn’t skip the dialogue; I accidentally chose one option too quickly and then was not presented with the option to choose the other one the next time I spoke to the same NPC. The kind of quality of life I’m looking for is the stuff that makes it clear to me, a person in the modern world, what Henry would know. Or at least to be able to jump over a shin-high chain without hitting a collision box that tells me I can’t.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I know. That was more a warning for others coming along.

You’re going to have to get used to frustration with henry’s athleticism if you play the second. My man struggles to run over logs sometimes. Other time’s he’s an olympic hurdler.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Would you say that the game cleaned up some of conveyance of information from the first game? Or have you not played the first game to compare it against? Maybe I just have to get used to what the game does and doesn’t tell me.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve only played up until Talmberg in the first one. I jumped off the castle and broke my ankles and couldn’t run from a guard so I called it quits.

The second game doesn’t tell you anything either. The developers seem to want the player to figure out as much as they can by themselves.

My suggestion is do the quests until you get frustrated then just look up how to do it via a guide. For me that was quite often during my first playthrough (looking at you Tomcat). Many times the game will tell you how to complete something via dialog but it isn’t clear what it’s telling you until a second playthrough. Luckily the game autosaves at key moments during quests so you’ll only lose an hour or three (lol not a joke) if you fuck up badly.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Gotcha, thanks. That’s a bit of a bummer, but I guess I’ll try to enjoy the game for what it’s good at.

Viri4thus,

Is it though? In a world of limited time refunds, someone complains about something that is the exact ethos of a game, I tell them, probably not for you, play AC shadows, which is undoubtedly a good game for people who want a more accessible open world experience than KCD that is less demanding of your attention and less punishing of your time. Likely, in time for a full refund so they’re not stuck with something they find obnoxious, but I’m the ass for telling someone not to stick to something they clearly don’t like and get something more tailored to their taste. Maybe you should take your own advice, stick with me, ask me what I mean, go past whatever you interpreted my comment meant initially and see if it’s better to have someone frustrated at a game or have them play something they will like better.

drewski,

Your original comment came off sarcastic and condescending. That is what they are referring to.

Viri4thus,

Every single one of the components of my comment are factual, I did not insult anyone, and gave pretty good advice, recommending a good game that a lot of people like. The way they are interpreted is not on me.

Chocobofangirl,
@Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world avatar

The story is also much simpler than KCD so you don’t have to pay attention. Characters are also quite one dimensional, it’s easy to follow, much like Avowed.

There was nothing factual about bringing the character simplicity into this because you made it sound like the reason they failed to find an objective was because they weren’t reading and enjoying the story, when what they explained perfectly well was that they picked one dialogue option, not realising it was going to be mutually exclusive with the other because both options just looked like informational inquiries, and the other option with relevant info was gone forever. Simple characters has nothing to do with that, and made it look VERY much like you were saying they weren’t up to the task of enjoying a game with interesting ones.

Viri4thus,

That was exactly the reason, it was factual that simplicity played a massive role in this discussion. The game has quest tracking but it’s limited to 3 active quests. It also has an extensive quest log. Rather than calling out their obvious incapability of reading a sentence, I opted to direct them towards games more geared to the effort they are ostensibly willing to put into a game. The fact them and their alt/cronies turned this into a brigade, should inform anyone what is the level of human being we’re dealing with here. Victimhood olympics, the US merican specials. Hasan Minaj put it better than I ever will be able to. Anything for fake sympathy points.

rockerface,

In case you’re interested (you’re probably not), even soulslikes games usually put the tutorial messages in one place where you can come back to them to reread them

Shardikprime,

You see the problem is a skill issue. They can’t get gud

They need an in game store chock full of micro transactions so they can buy with real money what they could have gotten by playing the game lmao 🤣

Viri4thus,

It’s not even skill, it’s laziness and pride. The game has a quest tracker (limited to 3 concurrent quests) and also tracks quest characters. It’s just sheer utter laziness and refusal to read anything beyond a sentence and the hubris to think that if they are stuck, it’s the game’s problem, the issue is never them, they are never to blame for any shortcoming or inadequacy. That’s why they mentioned Avowed, it’s as deprived of any actual interactivity as it can be. It’s completely a fantasy on rails shooter. It’s basically a mobile game sold on steam for 70€.

Carighan, do games w GOG Autumn Sale
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Disco Elysium for a 10er. Really, if you’re someone who has even the most passing interest in CRPGs, story-centric games or strong character dialogue, you owe it to yourself to play this. It’s beyond fantastic.

Kolanaki,
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Disco Elysium is simply just a must have game for any gamer. Even if you don’t normally like the genre, you will like Disco Elysium. The only way you could dislike Disco Elysium, is if you hate incredible writing.

Katana314,

I got bored of it. I don’t remember laughing at any jokes a single time, and I never felt like the stat build I started out with (one of the game’s presets) ever let me do anything fun.

all-knight-party,
@all-knight-party@kbin.cafe avatar

Yeah I think saying it's a must have for any gamer is a bit too much, no game is for literally everyone. Disco Elysium's humor doesn't strike me as overly humorous anyway, it's not really a comedic game, more of a dry chuckle now and then.

And the fun is really just reading/hearing any of the dialogue or descriptions, it is very well written. You get a lot of different choices depending on the "build" stuff, but it's really mostly all well written and should be enjoyable if you're into the style at all

Transcendant,

I’m not going to link directly to any pirated content as I don’t want to break the c rules, but iirc the creators of Disco Elysium literally asked people to pirate the game instead of buying it, as none of the sale currently goes to them, seeing as they were (according to them) unfairly ousted and had lots of money kept from them.

There’s a good summary here: pcgamer.com/disco-elysium-studio-declares-resolut…

Chariotwheel,

If you have time, I also recommend the People Make Games documentary that takes a look at and interview the people both sides: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGIGA8taN-M

It's more than two hours, but it's worth every minute.

Shimon, do games w Metro 2033 Redux is free to claim on GOG for the next two days
@Shimon@slrpnk.net avatar

On Steam as well

NONE_dc, do games w You can now use authenticator apps to keep your GOG account secure!
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

It’s about time!

WILSOOON, do games w Silent Hill 2 (remake) now on GOG

Holy shit, im gogging out of my mind

Hyperreality, do games w Fallout 4 has been released on GOG

It's annoying that so many mods require you to use the steam version, for this and skyrim.

wizardbeard,

Is this just due to the mods only being on the steam workshop, or is there some other way the mods are checking the install type?

I’m pretty upset that steam closed the method that allowed you to download from the workshop through a standard browser.

Hyperreality,

Not steam workshop, but nexus mods.

Kolanaki, (edited )
!deleted6508 avatar

Nexus mods shouldn’t need Steam at all. Other than the steam_api.dll file, the file structure and all the files are identical, and all you have to do is out the mod files in the right place and turn them on in your load order. What mods do that? The only thing it really makes more difficult is if you want Steam Workshop mods. Which you can download, but you need to use a 3rd party tool to do it if you don’t own the game on Steam.

There is also the new engine updates that fucked up old mods. Many Special Edition mods don’t work on the Anniversary edition, and Fallout 4 was supposed to be getting similar treatment recently. I don’t know if that is released yet or not, tho.

Duke_Nukem_1990,

Huh got an example?

Pazintach,
@Pazintach@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

My hundreds of Mods works fine on GoG version, including so many that requires skse. It’s hard to find a mod or function that I use since Oldrim without it’s GoG compatible version nowadays.

Guy_Fieris_Hair, do games w God of War (PC) is now available on GOG

Me want Ragnarock on PC

Debs,

Yes! I was just thinking about this last night. I’m finally playing through the first one and I’m loving it. I’d sure like to slide into the sequel…

Cerothen,

Maybe it will be here soon, horizon forbidden west will be out quite soon on PC (mar 21)

Zahille7,

Hopefully. And hopefully same with Spider-Man 2.

ramble81, do games w You can now use authenticator apps to keep your GOG account secure!

Now when will Steam do this?

_spiffy,
@_spiffy@lemmy.ca avatar

They do. Just not 3rd party.

Sonotsugipaa,

What does GOG’s 2FA do that Steam’s 2FA doesn’t?

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited )

At a glance (haven’t enabled yet, will later today), GoG uses the RFC standard TOTP model. This means you can use whatever app you want whether that is the google authenticator that ties it to your cloud account, something related to your password manager (e.g. keepass or bitwarden), or even just a python script you have in a random directory. It gives you control of your 2FA and protects you in the event you lose a device without properly de-authenticating it.

Valve use their own model that, to my knowledge, is only accessible through the Steam mobile app. Which is a huge nightmare if you ever have a device stolen/damaged (and is why you back up the recovery code)


Just enabled. Yup, bog standard TOTP and they even provide the plaintext key so that I don’t have to extract it from a QR code.

ramble81,

Unless I’m missing something, Steam only does code to email 2FA, not an actual TOTP app

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

They have TOTP but only in their app.

ramble81,

So effectively, they don’t do what GOG is doing.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Not exactly, no

Sonotsugipaa,

Steam works with a normal TOTP app for me, hell, it works with two normal TOTP apps for me

ramble81,

Teach a brother how? I swear I couldn’t find it anywhere in the account settings.

Sonotsugipaa,

I don’t quite remember how to get the TOTP secret from the Steam app (they could in fact take notes from GOG here), iirc you have to extract it from the Android app via adb;
but once you have it, if this GitHub comment is correct you simply have to set the code size to 5 digits.

If your phone has a rooted Android install, I found this guide.

… I swear when I did it, it wasn’t this hard ._.

Ulrich, (edited )
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

It presumably works with a normal TOTP app.

E: confirmed it works

Sonotsugipaa,

Steam works with a normal TOTP app for me, hell, it works with two normal TOTP apps for me

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t but I’ll bite: How did you set that up?

Sonotsugipaa,

I don’t recall, I’ve set it up a few years ago - I’ve been trying to look for instructions for another comment, but it seems that they made it VERY difficult for people without rooted Android to obtain the TOTP secret.

Though it is RFC 6238 compliant, using 5 digits instead of 6.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Okay, let’s say there’s currently no native support for normal TOTP, mostly because Steam doesn’t give you access to your TOTP key.

Sonotsugipaa,

That much I can agree with at this point.

Actually, it’s arguably even worse - it’s not that Steam doesn’t support normal TOTP, it’s that Steam goes out of their way to prevent TOTP from being used without switching to an entirely new algorithm.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

Could be worse. GOG’s approach is super annoying, and a lot of platforms (like fucking Apple) actually require the use of insecure and invasive SMS verification. And as far as I know Steam hasn’t been hit with any data breaches since 2011.

Sonotsugipaa,
Goretantath,

Idk why people think they cant add steam, i have it in my Aegis app.

Sunny,
@Sunny@slrpnk.net avatar

How did you manage? Thought steam 2fa was tied to steams app?

MangoPenguin,

How? I can’t get it to give me the TOTP key, it just asks me to download their stupid app.

0110010001100010, do games w Days Gone now on GOG ($16.49)
@0110010001100010@lemmy.world avatar

If you haven’t played this before do it, you won’t regret it. Amazing game all around. Such a shame the sequel got killed…

newthrowaway20,

I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say it’s amazing. But it’s totally worth this price.

The pacing is all over, and if you hate radio buddies be prepared for a bad time. The story was also really lame. But if you can get through the halfway point, the game really opens up and gets a lot better. Your skill development follows a fun and challenging curve, and fighting hoards of zombies becomes a lot of fun. It just takes so long to get to that part of the game.

Limeey,

Agreed, I was pretty annoyed with parts of the main story.

::: Spoiler warning

Imo boozer should have died, that would have made finding Sarah more emotional. His miraculous recovery always felt bullshit.

Also Sarah’s character was ridiculous. I get that it’d been 2 years, but she didn’t care at all that deacon was alive. Their “keep it secret” thing was fine but like even in private she didn’t give a fuck, which was weird to me. And her whole “I can save them” arc was really weird.

I remember thinking that there must have been a lot of cut content, because the end of the story progresses really fast compared to the rest, I had expected more build up.

And finally, it would have been nice if at the end boozer and Sarah weren’t just boringly “sitting” at lost lake. like, they are badasses after that story but at the end they’re just content with sitting around while deacon goes off. The end game could have been vastly better than it was.
:::

ArtVandelay,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

Read all of Sarah’s lab notes that are scattered around as collectibles. They really help give insight into her thought process as soon as she saw Deacon again and flesh out the reasoning why her reception seemed as icy as it was.

EeeDawg101, do games w Fallout 4 has been released on GOG

Has anyone heard anything about the series x enhanced update for fallout 4? It was mentioned a long ass time ago and there’s been radio silence since then.

Amilo159,
@Amilo159@lemmy.world avatar

I have One X and enhanced graphics look similar to PC at max.

AbeFroman,

I’m sure I read recently that they stated they have starfield as a priority at the moment. Hopefully before the end of the year.

jsomae, do games w Doom (2016) now DRM free on GOG

I liked this game better than Doom Eternal

Downpour,

Tell me more, why for you is that the case?

I think doom 2016 does theme/story and just the over all ‘fantasy’ of being the doomguy WAY better. I really missed it in Doom:E. However I do really enjoy the way they built the gameplay loop into this frantic dance of violence.

alehel,

My biggest issue with Eternal was that it seemed like keeping the story consistent wasn’t a priority.

Downpour,

I always liked the idea of doomguy, an absurd character, being grounded in a little lore and just playing around with him decimating any kind of plot a villian was comming up with.

Doom:E seemed to build a bunch of lore that no one was really asking for. Does anyone really want to know “Who was doom guy?” I didn’t. I really enjoyed him being barely a character, more a force of nature trying to eridicate demons. Rip & tear!

jsomae,

Agreed about the story. What I didn’t like in DE was the transparently arbitrary gameplay loop. You can’t punch enemies to death anymore, and your flamethrower instead of doing damage causes… items to appear. All are obviously in service of a gameplay loop, but they are terribly contrived. I wouldn’t say I go into Doom for immersion, but c’mon.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

How is Doom 2016 better in that regard? Just because the options aren’t there?

You can also still play Doom Eternal like the 2016 version. It’s gonna be harder, but I basically did in my first playthrough.

jsomae,

It’s been a while since I’ve played it, but as I recall, melee combat worked very differently and much more intuitively in 2016. It’s always there in case you run out of ammo.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I just re-played both games in anticipation for Dark Ages.

Doom 2016 only has pickups and chainsaw kill, with limited fuel, to get ammo. There’s also a rune for “infinite ammo,” and also the Pistol, with infinite ammo.

Eternal is the same, just that the Chainsaw always refills one charge (and no unlimited ammo rune). That’s why you get like half (or less) max ammo in the Eternal, compared to 2016, because you’re supposed to chainsaw a demon every 30s or something. Also, probably no Pistol because of that.

The straight-up melee does some damage in 2016, like the old games. You could theoretically punch everything to death.

In Eternal, I think it deals no damage at all, and it’s just there for the Glory Kill, but you get a special punch for a big damage AoE melee attack.

Glory Kills (melee finishers/execute) on low health demons are the same in both games, there to look cool and give you health.

BTW, I’m not saying you’re wrong for liking Doom 2016 more than Eternal. Some people don’t want to do the whole song and dance of jumping, dashing, swing bars, quick switch weapons, flamethrower, grenade, grapple, punch, chainsaw, whatever. I like it a lot, and it makes the game a lot more fun for me, compared to the more simple Doom 2016.

jsomae,

Right, it’s the fact that melee does no damage in Doom Eternal which I find aggravating. It worked just fine in 2016 as a last resort. They clearly removed its ability to deal any damage in order to force the player to engage with the flamethrower mechanic, which provides ammo (and also does no damage). It seems to me like clumsy design – it achieves the desired gameplay loop, but in the most heavy-handed way imaginable. Fun gameplay loop sure, but zero effort to justify it with what’s happening visually on screen.

I did enjoy the combat ballet though; in particular, it was fun to be always switching weapons. I just found myself often shaking my head because it’s so contrived how it’s implemented specifically. I’m sure most people didn’t care, but it did pull me out of it.

Also, I couldn’t understand the plot in Eternal whatsoever. Am I supposed to be saving Earth? It sure doesn’t feel like Doom Guy gives a damn. He’s just there to do some kind of prophecy I didn’t really find myself pulled into. In contrast, 2016 is punctuated sporadically by plot points I at least understood and felt some amount of motivation for. Take, for instance, the scene where Mr. Glados says “don’t dismantle the power generator things! They’re really expensive!” And Doom Guy is like: “IDGAF. Demons bad.” Best scene in the whole franchise if you ask me. (I’ll admit, some of the dialogue moments that lock you into a room are way too long though.)

drasglaf, (edited )
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You’re not alone, I loved 2016, but I couldn’t finish Eternal. All that platforming diluted the essence that made Doom fun IMO.

JoMiran, do games w Doom (2016) now DRM free on GOG
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I “own” it in Multiple platforms already. I might actually own it now.

warmaster, do games w More ways to play your GOG games with Amazon Luna

I want Amazon as far as possible from my gaming.

Grass, do games w [GOG] [GAME] FlatOut Free

Wow that was literally one click as I was already signed in. Epic freebies you have to go through the whole cart and wait for to complete procedure

MrGerrit,

But it only takes like a minute to claim a free game, I’m totally okay with that.

parlaptie,

Free games on Gog are hardly one click, since you have to go into the notification settings in your account to turn the marketing emails back off after they were turned on because you claimed a free game.

Grass,

I never noticed gog emails apart from maybe when I made the account but it could be uni’s fault… https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/5c8190e6-5a93-4624-8803-935ae2093e15.jpeg

This is all from one parcel.

clubb,
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I didn’t have an account. I stood in a captcha loop for 5 minutes. I can now tell you what a bus looks like

NONE_dc, do games w Silent Hill f, now on GOG
@NONE_dc@lemmy.world avatar

Man, I freaking love GOG 💜

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